We need to keep our eyes open in all direction, I think.
The latest Gauardian codex transcriptions shows IMO. a suspicious similarity between Guardian relics and SAP 8 Core.
Codex 17 and 18:
17/28 : Technology Log – Relics This data relates to the objects we have termed “Guardian relics”. These blue crystals are part power source, part computer, part key — and apparently played a central role in Guardian technology. Remarkably, it seems the crystals were grown rather than mined. The log is light on details, but from what I’ve been able to piece together, each crystal was designed to fulfil a specific purpose within the Guardian’s technological network. And, like the panels found at many Guardian sites, the relics incorporate nanobot technology.
18/28 : Technology Log – Energy WeaponsThese records describe ancient guardian weaponry. It seems the guardians employed three different designs: an energy-based weapon similar to a rail gun, a projectile weapon that fired concentrated plasma, and a weapon that fired charged crystal shards at extreme velocities.These weapons were apparently powered by the crystals we have termed “Guardian Relics”, and the log describes how the relic generates and distributes energy within the weapon. This is a significant discovery, as it means it might be possible to recreate these weapons, or at least to design our own versions of them. It’s extremely exciting.
SAP 8 Core: This container holds a crystalline shard of unknown origin. Scans indicate that the foot long shard is suspended inside a modified, self-sustaining, fusion-core containment field. Any breach of the field will result in the containers destruction.
With this in mind, just a general reminder that I showed a while back that humanity has had the hyperdrive tech needed to be able to reach the Regor sector and Guardian space for more than a thousand years.
And Regor, being the closest WR star would have been a target for scientific missions, even if only via probes.
And as usual, that permit lock isn’t there for no reason...
And the Club certainly appeared to already know all about the Guardians...
With all this talk about TDW being not a single group but rather a collection of various different groups, doesn't that have some close resemblance to The Club? Could they be one and the same?
I left the bubble soon as all these new things started happening. Thargoids, Guardians.. It's not that I wasn't interested, it was all just bit too much. Didn't even visit engineers before leaving. I like simple things, like shooting spaceships in a Gunship, or searching for truth in some nebulae Randomius knows where, but collecting data packages from obelisks, again? The horror. Where's the tinfoil in that.
Quite. The Guardians' puzzle can be cracked in a day. The Formidine Rift took, what? Nearly two years? Even then Drew had to spoon feed us the answers. Raxxla? We may be no closer now then we were when the game went live. It is my sincere hope that, if we find it, we find it through perseverance and hard work. I'll be extremely disappointed if they decide to spoon feed us some easy clues to hurry us along. I'd rather search for fifteen years, find nothing and watch them decomm the game servers first.
Hmm... There’s a bit of a general misconception that the obelisks (and now the new puzzle) is the be all and end all of the Guardians stuff. That’s not the case though. The Obelisk stuff is just effectively the easy part of the stuff at the Guardian ruins. And the new puzzle is the very easy part. Comparatively. There’s various other things that have been there since 2.2 which remain more or less completely unsolved.
So without going in to depth of those, for the more tinfoilly side of things, there’s the points in my reply to HZ above, i.e, just how long have some bits of humanity had access to Guardian space, who are they and what have they done with that knowledge? Also, there’s the possibility of connections to what Halsey and Jacques encountered.
There is also the Regor Sector, with Gamma Velorum at its center. Even Professor Melville predicted he was close to the Guardian home system, and The Cete is just a few jumps from it.
There is also the Regor Sector, with Gamma Velorum at its center. Even Professor Melville predicted he was close to the Guardian home system, and The Cete is just a few jumps from it.
That is actually a very interesting theory, sadly I am unable to recognize constellations... But I will try to identify some of them if I reach my destination soon.
That is actually a very interesting theory, sadly I am unable to recognize constellations... But I will try to identify some of them if I reach my destination soon.
The problem is that constellations seen from Earth are based on a star's apparent brightness and not in the star's proximity to other stars in the constellation. Trying to view a constellation from any other position in the galaxy would result in some of the constellation's stars shifting out of the constellation while stars from other constellations move into view.
Bottom line: Constellations are only relevant to their apparent position when viewed from Sol. Once you change the point of reference as an observer they lose meaning.
I've been toying with an idea in the quiet moments that ties constellations to the Raxxla mystery, but not in the manner discussed above. I want to try and develop it a little further before sharing with the wider group (so as to not potentially waste people's time), but the cynic and pessimist in me suspects I am just the latest dog to bark up the wrong tree.
The problem is that constellations seen from Earth are based on a star's apparent brightness and not in the star's proximity to other stars in the constellation. Trying to view a constellation from any other position in the galaxy would result in some of the constellation's stars shifting out of the constellation while stars from other constellations move into view.
Bottom line: Constellations are only relevant to their apparent position when viewed from Sol. Once you change the point of reference as an observer they lose meaning.
This is an interesting point. Perhaps we should be comparing constellations at sol with constellations at guardian sites and looking for consistencies. Perhaps the bigger plan is to one day discover the thargoid home and find some common star signs there.
Constellations are only relevant to their apparent position when viewed from Sol. Once you change the point of reference as an observer they lose meaning.
Yes. Nebulae would be visible from multiple angles as long as they aren't obscured by other nebulae or dark regions of space. That is what made Cassiopeia A such an interesting prospect. As a radio source Cas A is one of the strongest sources in the galaxy. You would expect, that if faster-than-light travel exists in the real universe some place like Cas A would become a natural "magnet" that alien species could travel to and meet up with each other. At least that was part of the reason for our expedition (has it really been over a year?). Sadly there is no Cas A in-game but one wonders what other interstellar landmarks exist that would have drawn multiple species out to investigate? Apparently the Pleiades is one ...
Yes. Nebulae would be visible from multiple angles as long as they aren't obscured by other nebulae or dark regions of space. That is what made Cassiopeia A such an interesting prospect. As a radio source Cas A is one of the strongest sources in the galaxy. You would expect, that if faster-than-light travel exists in the real universe some place like Cas A would become a natural "magnet" that alien species could travel to and meet up with each other. At least that was part of the reason for our expedition (has it really been over a year?). Sadly there is no Cas A in-game but one wonders what other interstellar landmarks exist that would have drawn multiple species out to investigate? Apparently the Pleiades is one ...
If you're a sophisticated intergalactic explorer honking your way across the universe,
if there's no party at the center of the galaxy, there's no one there worth knowing.
Why check elsewhere, the suburbs are just the plebs.
I'd say the centre of the galaxy is rather boring to a space developed civilization, as there's intelligent life to find out there etc and of course archaeology.
I'd say the centre of the galaxy is rather boring to a space developed civilization, as there's intelligent life to find out there etc and of course archaeology.
Of course it's boring, you don't fly to visit airports but it's the one thing every galaxy has and like an airport there should be a tourist bureau there because provincialism is the one universal "see our greatness". If you think checking a paltry 400,000,000 stars is tough there's a few orders of magnitude more galaxies than stars in this quaint place. Not to mention the incomparable numerical terror the multi-verse guys face, there's numbers to scare gods.
Been thinking ... it could be quite possible that the Guardian Ruins are somehow linked to Raxxla. Rafe Zetter did say that, on Raxxla, there is "an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes".
So far we know of only two confirmed Alien races that have to potential technological advancement to create something on the level of Raxxla: The Thargoids or The Guardians. Perhaps the reason we can't find any living Guardians is because they used Raxxla to escape this particular Universe?
Chalk this up to just another one of my random musings. If Raxxla is connected to the Guardians then it is just a matter of time before someone pursuing that particular mystery stumbles upon it. Me? I'm going to proceed forward as though the Guardians and Raxxla are two separate things.
Been thinking ... it could be quite possible that the Guardian Ruins are somehow linked to Raxxla. Rafe Zetter did say that, on Raxxla, there is "an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes".
So far we know of only two confirmed Alien races that have to potential technological advancement to create something on the level of Raxxla: The Thargoids or The Guardians. Perhaps the reason we can't find any living Guardians is because they used Raxxla to escape this particular Universe?
Chalk this up to just another one of my random musings. If Raxxla is connected to the Guardians then it is just a matter of time before someone pursuing that particular mystery stumbles upon it. Me? I'm going to proceed forward as though the Guardians and Raxxla are two separate things.
Been thinking ... it could be quite possible that the Guardian Ruins are somehow linked to Raxxla. Rafe Zetter did say that, on Raxxla, there is "an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes".
So far we know of only two confirmed Alien races that have to potential technological advancement to create something on the level of Raxxla: The Thargoids or The Guardians. Perhaps the reason we can't find any living Guardians is because they used Raxxla to escape this particular Universe?
Chalk this up to just another one of my random musings. If Raxxla is connected to the Guardians then it is just a matter of time before someone pursuing that particular mystery stumbles upon it. Me? I'm going to proceed forward as though the Guardians and Raxxla are two separate things.
The idea of some Guardians making a last-minute gate to escape is a very romantic notion and it's something that might be very plausible. I don't think it currently fits with the uncovered text, but who knows, maybe the Constructs didn't get them all and a small group did escape via a gateway. Maybe the Constructs followed them and that's why we haven't yet (that we know of) run into the Constructs out there.
10/28: "I believe the Constructs determined that even if peace was restored the Guardians would never be able to transcend their violent natures. I believe they decided that the only way to preclude further violence – while giving their own burgeoning society the best possible chance of survival – was to destroy what remained of the Guardians’ civilisation. By this time, the Constructs had complete control of the Guardians’ munitions and automated war machines. Their attack, when it came, was swift and merciless. Strategic nuclear and chemical-weapon strikes were executed with a precision that only a machine race could accomplish. The few that survived were able to record what had happened, but they soon succumbed to radiation poisoning. The Guardians were utterly destroyed."
To support the idea there's a not-inconsiderable amount of entirely tinfoil circumstantial 'evidence' to suggest the PF might *already* be using Guardian technology, that's how they kept their edge all these years.
- It *is* remarkable how we're able to almost instantly reverse-engineer alien technologies and bolt them on to our ships and use them.
- It's amazing that Ram Tah almost instantly cracked the Guardian Language with no sort of Rosetta Stone.
- How he manged to make software to hack into alien databases.
- How we're able to activate long-dormant alien technology by just scanning it.
- How the energy produced by our SRV guns (the only ground vehicle allowed by PF members) happens to be the exact same type needed to charge the Guardian machines.
- It's a well known bit of tinfoil that the loading sequence on the ship UI is covered in what many people call "Guardian Triangles".
- It does seem possible that Ram Tah and Melville had prior knowledge of the Guardians and were both seeking something specific.
These things do many it seem almost exactly like the systems in use today by PF members is based on the same technology as the ancient relics we're finding now.
It's been said before how strange it is that the Guardians made bases thousands of lightyears Corewards but didn't make anything just few hundred lightyears spinwards (we've found nothing in or near the bubble, apparently).
Maybe early explorers *did* find a Guardian installation early on in Humanity's expansion and plundered it for technology - the genesis of TDW maybe - keeping the source of their riches secret, selling off a little bit at a time, never revealing the secret. Maybe after decades or more of research they cracked the data systems and eventually the language, or parts of it, learned of the existence of Raxxla, but not the location. Maybe they've plumbed the depths of what they can get from that tech and were unable to locate Raxxla after centuries of searching (presumably mentioned in the data archives of whatever tech they recovered) and so allowed Ram Tah to release some clues about the Guardians to the general public to essentially crowd-source a bigger search party.
Something like this would explain the near-apathy that everyone but us civilians seem to show to the Guardians. We (as a species) within the last 3 years have discovered an entirely new alien race which is strikingly similar to ourselves and uses remarkable and remarkably compatible technology to ourselves. They fought the same enemy we are and faced many of the challenged we do - yet the general response of the major powers has been "That's pretty cool, aliens huh? well...yes... carry on!". (Paraphrasing). There was nearly a civil war over Meta-Alloys, yet the powers haven't stations ships or research outposts or anything out at any of the Guardian ruins. The only sensible explanation is that they already know about the Guardians and it's non-news to them.
Been thinking ... it could be quite possible that the Guardian Ruins are somehow linked to Raxxla. Rafe Zetter did say that, on Raxxla, there is "an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes".
So far we know of only two confirmed Alien races that have to potential technological advancement to create something on the level of Raxxla: The Thargoids or The Guardians. Perhaps the reason we can't find any living Guardians is because they used Raxxla to escape this particular Universe?
Chalk this up to just another one of my random musings. If Raxxla is connected to the Guardians then it is just a matter of time before someone pursuing that particular mystery stumbles upon it. Me? I'm going to proceed forward as though the Guardians and Raxxla are two separate things.
The Guardians seem a more likely connection than the Thargoids, at the moment.
The ‘other universes’ may also be vitrual, not physical. The AI(Constructs) live mainly in a network and may well hav built an entire universe in there.
Any theory is as good as any other, because it's not RL and everything in the game comes out of the FDevs mind and will (which has proved many times to be inconsistent).
The thing is ... Since MB and DW are out of the party, is there someone among the FDevs interested (and knowing the lore background) in continuing the Raxxla Quest at this moment ?
I doubt it.
I dont think the energy our SRV guns use is special,Ram Tah said that kinetic energy would be the best type to activate the pylons and we have been using kinetic weapons a long time.
The guardians did too,they used magnetic catapults to launch their ships,rail gun type weapons that launch a slug etc
So could probably rule that out. But yeah it is a bit suspicious how he managed the rest in such a short timeframe.
