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"To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies! To the whisperer in witch- space, the siren of the deepest void! The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. To Raxxla!"

There are three elements to the Dark Wheel toast:
  1. The jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies
  2. The whisperer in witch- space, the siren of the deepest void
  3. The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts
To find anything located in 3 dimensional space you need three coordinates. X, Y and Z axis. I think that if we can figure out which systems are referred to in The Dark Wheel's toast then we'll potentially have the coordinates for The Dark Wheel's home system. Something along the lines of: X coordinate from System A plus Y coordinate from System B plus Z coordinate from System C equals the X, Y and Z coordinates to find the One True Dark Wheel™.

That was an idea we explored before. There are actually two versions of it or more. If you look, those statements actually have 6 individual components also. So could it be 6 total points. And if so then it's in 3 odd chunks. 1, then 2, then 3 components. I wonder if that means anything also. It is a bit curious it's in that order with that increase.

Random guess: (based on 3 locations)
1. The constellation known for having one jewel that is the mother of galaxie(s).
2. The origin of all the rumors or locations of thargoids. Maybe the oldest known in lore or the first spotting. Who knows. Col70, The rift?
3. Parent being the partent of a lover and the lover her/himself. And something related to vagabond. Vagabond could be a reference to space exploration or space travel. What stars are related to a parent and lover grief over the same individual?! Or in the very greek/roman sense on ocassion they are the same person as they married their own child.... What is that guy that the phsycologist mentions alot. Oedipus?! That or some other appropriate character.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/ac0w0y/cupids_arrow_tourist_beacon_ngc_7822/


Then there is this. Did Cassiopeia have to mourn over Andromeda somehow?!

Plus God hath spoken. It is in Alpha/Schedar system.

Also:
The thinning outer edge of the Milky Way passes directly through Cassiopeia, meaning that the area is rich in interesting objects and star fields. One of my favorite objects can be seen in binoculars or a telescope. It’s a cluster of stars called the Owl Cluster (or ET Cluster or Dragonfly Cluster). It consists of two prominent yellow stars that form the eyes. A sprinkling of dimmer stars forms the owl’s body, and two curving chains of stars define upswept wings. Be aware that the critter is positioned with head to the lower right. This will be the same in binoculars, but your telescope will flip things around depending on the type. It is located by taking Navi and Ruchbah and making them the two vertices of a right angle triangle. The cluster sits at the third vertex, where the 90 degree corner is. It’s about four finger widths to the lower right of Navi — as if the queen is bouncing a baby owl on her knee!

The cluster was discovered by William Herschel in 1787 and is more than 7,900 light-years away! Other astronomical names for the object include NGC 457 (from the New General Catalogue) and Caldwell 13.

Has anyone been to NGC 457? I don't recall that one off the top of my head. May not be relevant.

 
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"To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies! To the whisperer in witch- space, the siren of the deepest void! The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. To Raxxla!"

There are three elements to the Dark Wheel toast:
  1. The jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies
  2. The whisperer in witch- space, the siren of the deepest void
  3. The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts

Just looking at element #2 from the Holdstock perspective
  • The whisperer in witch- space, the siren of the deepest void
The Sirens of Ivixor B:

Part of a message intercepted from Chesowaya Samarandara the younger.

"... a sun not dissimilar to Algol, but with the fires of hell burning from its surface... 43 worlds, clustered in a narrowplane, and most of them giants, their gaseous atmospheres curling wraithlike into the void... colours, so beautiful, the richness of reds and purples, and the scores of rocky moons... ruins, I think.. yes ruins, the hulls of ships and stations, the closer I go the more I see, thousands, millions of wrecks... the singing is louder now, a strangely haunting whistling through the transceiver sets; the rubidax crystals have changed colour and when i cool them they emit a strange song, all scales and strange combinations of notes... I feel oddly drawn towards the world, an image in my mind tells me my great grandfather is here... I can sense his ship, lying in the void, and his voice seems to be calling me through the song voice of the worlds... I must go closer and seek him, but the wrecked ships are clustered so closely about each world that I am in danger of collision. End report."
Upshot of this is that the system was turned into a space graveyard by creatures called the Kiiry. They start out as benign medusoid / jellyfish like creatures (space jellyfish?) and turn into large spindly things:
"becoming long and spindle shaped, grotesquely enormous beasts, swollen to a length of 100 km or more. they drift upwards and using their teguments, swim through the void of space between worlds.... their singing on subspace frequencies is a deliberate attempt to seduce passing ships into their field of influence, they can detect the subspace emissions from ships and repeat the tunes creating an oddly hypnotic effect on most space faring races... once there the life spirit of the occupants is drained by the drifting sirens."

Gives a couple things to think about (besides the allusion to the Spindle of Necessity) - It calls out Algol, also we have jellyfish creatures in the game... has anyone taken sap8 crystals out to them?

See how I didnt even mention Halsey or Gan.... :cry:

PS: love the trademark: One True Dark Wheel™
 

This is interesting too. He mentions several systems with beacons in them. Maybe we have to get the beacons find the systems and then triangulate them. He three. Maia, cupids arrow and one other system. What is in the middle of them?!

Chi Orionis and to our surprise it has a Tourism Beacon

Maia, ngc 7822, chi Orionis. All have beacons. What is dead center?!

Those are exact locations with coordinates too. So, that should be relatively easy to do.

Chi orionis: 4.3125 / -1.0625 / -27.90625
Maia: -81.78125 / -149.4375 / -343.375
S171 34: -2,426.84375 / 295.03125 / -1,323.625

I forget how to do this. But I think there was a simple formula I figured out to figure out distance between two or three positions using ED coordinates. It was a simple modification of A^2+B^2=C^2.

Edit: It's SquareRoot(A^2+B^2+C^2) That is the distance between two coordiantes. Have to figure out three then how to find the middle spot. Actually it's The distance between the two coordiantes. SquareRoot(|A1-A2|^2 + |B1-B2|^2 + |C1-C2|^2). So, negative and positive number increase distance.

So distance between stars are as follows:

Maia to Chi Orionis: 86.09375 /148.375/315.46875=SR(128947.8066)= 359.0930334Ly
Maia to S171 34: 2,345.0625/444.46875/980.25=SR(6657760.617)= 2,580.263672Ly
Chi Orionis to S171 34: 2,431.15625/296.09375/1,295.71875=SR(7677079.3)= 2,770.754284Ly

If that is the right info I have to figure out how to find the middle of that triangle. Not sure how to do that. Not even sure if this is a right triangle or not.

How do you find the center of this?!

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3VHxASQaI0


NVM, me stupid. Just need to find the correct coordinate after that. Which shouldn't be too hard.

Does that only work with a triangle with a right angle?!

Edit: If it's 1/3 from the bottom it's approx 890ly from the base between Mia to Chi Orionis at an approx 90 degree angle. don't know how to figure it out exactly so I treated both sides with both longer distances as a right angle with 180ly distance and took the median between them to get the center line length. Then divided by three.

So, approximately 908ly from both Chi Orionis and Maia where the intersect on their given plane.
 
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This is interesting too. He mentions several systems with beacons in them. Maybe we have to get the beacons find the systems and then triangulate them. He three. Maia, cupids arrow and one other system. What is in the middle of them?!



Maia, ngc 7822, chi Orionis. All have beacons. What is dead center?!

Those are exact locations with coordinates too. So, that should be relatively easy to do.

Chi orionis: 4.3125 / -1.0625 / -27.90625
Maia: -81.78125 / -149.4375 / -343.375
S171 34: -2426.84375 / 295.03125 / -1323.625

I forget how to do this. But I think there was a simple formula I figured out to figure out distance between two or three positions using ED coordinates. It was a simple modification of A^2+B^2=C^2.

Edit: It's SquareRoot(A^2+B^2+C^2) That is the distance between two coordiantes. Have to figure out three then how to find the middle spot. Actually it's The distance between the two coordiantes. SquareRoot(|A1-A2|^2 + |B1-B2|^2 + |C1-C2|^2). So, negative and positive number increase distance.

So: (I think I did some math wrong)

Maia to Chi Orionis: 86.09375 /148.357/315.46875=SR(128942.4665)=359.0855963Ly
Maia to S171 34: 2345.0625/145.59375/980.25=SR(6481405.731)=2,545.860509Ly
Chi Orionis to S171 34: 2431.15625/296.09375/1295.71875=SR(7677079.3)=2770.754284Ly

If that is the right info I have to figure out how to find the middle of that triangle. Not sure how to do that.
California Nebula is inside that triangle too, right?
 
California Nebula is inside that triangle too, right?

That would be ironic if the one spot I stopped exploreing thoroughly had raxxla!! 8\ I was exploring NGC1333 completely when I died and gave up. I was going to do california next.

It's probably in there. I'm still trying to figure out the exact middle. I could use help on that. I'm not sure yet how to figure that out.
 
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"To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies! To the whisperer in witch- space, the siren of the deepest void! The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. To Raxxla!"

There are three elements to the Dark Wheel toast:
  1. The jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies
  2. The whisperer in witch- space, the siren of the deepest void
  3. The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts
To find anything located in 3 dimensional space you need three coordinates. X, Y and Z axis. I think that if we can figure out which systems are referred to in The Dark Wheel's toast then we'll potentially have the coordinates for The Dark Wheel's home system. Something along the lines of: X coordinate from System A plus Y coordinate from System B plus Z coordinate from System C equals the X, Y and Z coordinates to find the One True Dark Wheel™.
If I follow you, Doc, I see one, two and three elements. Nothing which makes me think that the whisperer and the siren are the same thing (Never heard that the sirens whisper). Even less the grief, woe and yearning seem being the same thing to me.
But, watching them all together makes a poetic descriptions of Raxxla.

That jewel (TDW's lost preciouss) which whispers you can hear when you travel in witchspace, is like the siren's song that calls the Explorer to the deepest space and causes grief and woe among his family, but nevertheless he must set the sails to satisfy that yearning.

Sad poem. Raxxla really is the essence of TDW ambitions. Its raison d'être. They are Explorers and they don't care about politics and so. Never involved in the Bubble affairs.
Imho.
 
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I think my coordiantes are in the direction of LBN 623. Although that is not very accurate.

LBN 623: -505 /-23 /-330
Chi orionis: 4.3125 / -1.0625 / -27.90625
Maia: -81.78125 / -149.4375 / -343.375

It is about 400-500 from either. So, about twice as far out past LBN 623.
 
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It's not a system sadly. It's only a general location. still not sure how to find the exact coordinate because of lack of math skills. I have all the info needed though to figure it out.

If you want too. it's about 450ly towards NGC7822 from the LBN 623 headed away from the ceterline between Maia and Chi Orionis. But it's based on someones viewpoint of certain systems with tourist beacons. So, who knows if it's correct.

I think it's in the wredguia sector. And there is an interesting small cluster in the general vacinity there. Wredguia CV-G C10-#. I don't think it's exactly center though.

I call that the regeo parmeseano sector.
 
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More exact coordinate:

Maia - Chi Orionis center line: -38 / -75/ -185
S171 34: -2,426.84375 / 295.03125 / -1,323.625

approx 890ly from center line directly towards S171 34:
2389/370/1139=SR(7141542)=2672ly-890=1782ly...
123^2+796^2+380^2=SR(793145)=890.... 8\

Wrong maths^:

-38+-796=-834; -75+123=48; -185+-380=-565

So: -834 / 48 / -565

Could have made mistakes though. But this may be generally the location.
 
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