The Star Citizen Thread v5

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dsmart

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Was reading that earlier. Some "interesting" thoughts about this thread. Makes you wonder why anybody is here.

They're really upset that we can continue to post here, and they can't because due to their toxicity, they just get banned. Of course they're going with the nonsensical narrative that being temp-banned for "calling out" people (via posting of social media links) is somehow doxxing. They take everything, and they twist it to fit their narrative. These are the same guys throwing money into an open furnace. So it all makes sense.

It matters to them that people can freely post here about Star Citizen, without being attacked, down voted, shouted down etc.
 
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Yeah. The irony is that they really expect CIG to respond. It's as if they're not even paying attention to what CIG is actually doing nowadays.

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Exactly. I agree with this assessment. I keep tell people these same things, that people aren't upset, wary etc because of the pre-Alpha state of the game, but the fact that, $142m + 350-500 people + 6 years, THIS is where they are currently. Thus needing to do all kinds of things to keep raising money. If backers had stopped giving them money, they'd have an incentive to complete and ship the game. But as it is, they really think they have a blank check. So there is no incentive to finish - anything. Like at all.

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It's even more damning that it was SIX months ago now since he made those statements. If they were that close, they'd have something of 3.0 out by now. Instead, they have 2.6, 2.6.1, 2.6.2 and I'm going to guess that it's going to be 2.6.x or 2.7.x all the way to 3.0x (which could very well be anything other than what they promised for it).

Not to mention the SQ42 trailer/reveal which was just around the corner, but didn't "make it".

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He was lying. Plain and simple. Just like all the other times before that.

The best part was that they made a documentary of failing to make the demo. Because they knew they were going to fail to make the demo.

You couldn't make it up. [haha]
 

BOING! Lol

This is one thing I can't understand. Why would people think that a new date would be anymore truthful?
There are people in that reddit thread saying they would be happy with a new date even if it turned out to be wrong... what's the point of that? Why are they enabling CIG to treat them like female dogs?

Smacks of pleading desperation....
 
That video was published on Aug 19, 2016 - not Dec 2016.

You are missing the important part. Which is 3.0 NOT being anywhere on the horizon. I really wouldnt concentrate on people giving a wrong date as to when the statement was given. Do you not care that Dec 2016 is gone by and the promised stuff isnt available?
 
Was reading that earlier. Some "interesting" thoughts about this thread. Makes you wonder why anybody is here.

The best part was that they made a documentary of failing to make the demo. Because they knew they were going to fail to make the demo.

You couldn't make it up. [haha]

For me the project has become like a long running soap - or continuing drama - as I believe they are now called (a category that on telly doesn't interest me in the slightest - except for the American one that I believe was called "Soap" - and some South American ones I've seen that are so bad they're good!).

I suppose it's because I did have an interest in playing originally - but now it's just a giant list of "did they really just do/say that :O" and there's been so much of that I forget a lot of it until someone says - what about *insert some other CIG ballsup here*?!

It's just kind of there in the background and I have a morbid fascination in seeing how it turns out..
 
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For me the project has become like a long running soap - or continuing drama - as I believe they are now called (a category that on telly doesn't interest me in the slightest - except for the American one that I believe was called "Soap" - and some South American ones I've seen that are so bad they're good!).

I suppose it's because I did have an interest in playing originally - but now it's just a giant list of "did they really just do/say that :O" and there's been so much of that I forget a lot of it until someone says - what about *insert some other CIG ballsup here*?!

It's just kind of there in the background and I have a morbid fascination in seeing how it turns out..

Yes, there is a sort of morbid fascination watching it all unravel.
 

dsmart

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You are missing the important part. Which is 3.0 NOT being anywhere on the horizon. I really wouldnt concentrate on people giving a wrong date as to when the statement was given. Do you not care that Dec 2016 is gone by and the promised stuff isnt available?

...while ignoring the fact that the correct date is actually visible - right there - on the YT video.
 
For me the project has become like a long running soap - or continuing drama - as I believe they are now called (a category that on telly doesn't interest me in the slightest - except for the American one that I believe was called "Soap" - and some South American ones I've seen that are so bad they're good!).

I suppose it's because I did have an interest in playing originally - but now it's just a giant list of "did they really just do/say that :O" and there's been so much of that I forget a lot of it until someone says - what about *insert some other CIG ballsup here*?!

It's just kind of there in the background and I have a morbid fascination in seeing how it turns out..

Come for the spaceships; stay because you wonder if the wife's secret brother's maid (who's actually the wife's secret daughter) will recover from her amnesia after her coma, and whether or not her Idrises will go up or down in value in the mean-time.
 
Come for the spaceships; stay because you wonder if the wife's secret brother's maid (who's actually the wife's secret daughter) will recover from her amnesia after her coma, and whether or not her Idrises will go up or down in value in the mean-time.

I think I've seen that one. [haha]
 
What exactly did I "imagine"?
o_O
Really?
I don't see how that(a mistake on which account you post from one different worker), guide anyone into --------------------->the "Ben has been muzzled" story. <--------------------
But as soon as I tweeted that he had only made 2 posts; hours later he goes back, edits it, posts an apology from his dev account - which up to that point only had 22 posts in the THREE years since he has been working on the project?
I'm sure that he re posted the same post from his Dev account not because is what he as a dev should do when he talks about the game in the official forums answering the players/backers/citizens... but just because you tweeted about it.
Are you serious, or just so far gone that even common sense and facts are a distant memory?
There is little need to answer you after this.

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There is a new vid of Star Citizen: Citizens of the Stars but it doesn't contain any news that I know of so I will just post the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2sWyZhitCo&
 
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LOL :D it's moments like that which bring the necessary levity to this ride on the Starship Titanic

ps. was refering to the bladerunner references, I don't think it's fair to laugh at those people
 
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dsmart

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So the problem isn't that you gave the wrong date, thus completely skewing your punchline. The problem is that I pointed it out.

Ooook.

I don't have a problem; apparently you do.

Here is my original post reproduced below - complete with the incorrect date. Please show me the "punch line". Then explain to me exactly how writing Dec, instead of Aug (which is in the video), reduces the credibility and/or impact of what I wrote. Not to mention the fact that I have written extensively about that aspect in the past; complete with a 1:1 transcript* of what he actually said, and which most of you keep denying or twisting.


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It has been coming since the end of 2016. Most of the believers just hand waved it off as saying he didn't really promise that. Of course, it's hilarious, since we have him on the record...

That time in Dec 2016 when croberts said that 3.0 was coming in Dec, and definitely not on Dec 19th.

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“..so, it’s our big end of the year release. er so er yeah, so we’re gonna get it out the end of the year; hopefully not on December 19th but, er, like last year….but it is a big one, so, not making er, I got shot for making promises, but er, that’s our goal.”

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The PG doesn't have to learn anything, nor does it need any examples — it's not an AI. It's an algorithm; it just need components and rules for putting those components together. If anything, Vanduul stuff would be easier than human stuff because you could end up with something truly alien, rather than something that a human designed. At most, whoever tweaks the rules might need some kind of target image for what “looks like species X” — e.g. jagged edges are good; maintain triangular symmetry; sweep forwards rather than backwards (and definitely no straight lines). Then let the algorithm go to town and see what comes out.

But that's rather besides the point anyway. Unless you're making a demonstrator like .kkrieger, you're not going to generate every last component. Those will be designed to have a look, and the PG is a matter of putting the components together. You can do this on a micro level — construct a building or even a ship out of blocks — or on a macro level — construct an entire cityscape out of prefab buildings, but in the end, it's just a matter of deciding where the design of building blocks ends and where the assembly algorithm begins.

Why would it be more problematic or require tighter limits? After all, if it's alien, there's more room for it to go nuts and still be alien. If anything, it's the known stuff that requires those limits, or they'll look… well… alien: because they go too far outside what we think of as “known” design.


Then it probably does its job — it's not meant to be alien. It just illustrates how you can create variety algorithmically, and in fact, since it's fractal-based, huge variety is not even part of intended end result — it just happens anyway.



I don't think anyone is really talking about creating lifeforms, but even if we did, there are already plenty of games that do just that and do it really well. Slap a simple decision bot onto a game like Spore or Impossible Creatures or, hell, just rip off NMS, and you're good to go. Sure, for your “hero races” (not in the sense of being heroic, but in the movie-making sense of being the ones that you really show off), you probably want to have a higher level of control — put them higher up in the component hierarchy, if you like — but that's no different than you'd want with the human characters. That's because you're trying to achieve a completely different goal: you're not trying to create variety and new strangeness to discover, but rather offering up a well-controlled other party to interact with, which obviously has other requirements to guide the design.

I think I see where we see things differently. Spore and NMS are heavily restricted PG systems with very big building blocks. They are not alien, they are alternative earths. The reason it is so restrictive is that the alternative is truly alien life that makes no sense. 'Alien' doesn't equal 'random weirdness', or at least not to me. Creating truly alien Vanduul that are believable when examined is just not something PG is very good at at this time. Or at least, I am unfamiliar with any system that can do it.
 
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