The Star Citizen Thread v5
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Doors were so broken after 5 years it required 3 people to improve the functionality? When the only functionality a door requires is the ability to open and close. Or did they add extra functionality, like internet connectivity and an ice maker? "Alexa, close the door".
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This is true. Also, isn't Minecraft essentially voxels? Not that they look pretty, but they still have some very handy use-cases. I don't even remember any more: is terrain modification/destruction part of that immense pile of promises CIG has produced over the years?
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Depends on what they mean overall. If they mean there are only 3 people in the whole of SC working on game programming, i'd be rather horrified.
What gets me more is the title of that vid. Eclipsing the competition. What competition? They need to release a game first.... and then who would they be competing with? Some might say ED, but its a completely different flight model, more akin to a ground based FPS, and its not going to win over the explorers, traders are out until they get actual trade, or mining for that matter. Combat in SC is... erm... yeah. First person? LOL.... 2 maps and from what i've seen, a pretty poor FPS game in general. Overwatch and Paladins and TF2 are all superior in terms of fun. If looking at deep immersion, which is what they are aiming for... then maybe there is a niche. Second Life has had its day.... the Sims is too abstract... maybe there is some place there where they can compete... with... erm.. not sure.
So... wait, I'm confused. Can we compare SC to other games without being banned, or not?
I think it was supposed to be a play on words with the new Eclipse jpeg for sale.
I got hit twice so far for mentioning other games. Best to stay on course and discuss SC only
Want to compare? Just compare current state of the mess against the Vision, or against fantasies backers made in their heads, and you're done.
Yeah I thought that but there's also the focus on moon surfaces, moon bases and fumaroles, all things currently in Elite. It does seem like a bit of a sneaky passive aggressive thing and just unnecessary if that's the case.
Agreed. The original vision of SC was for a modern up-to-date version of Wing Commander and Freelancer, then they shot themselves in the foot by trying to out-do the Elite series as well. All quite unnecessary as Wing Commander and Freelancer were perfectly respectable game concepts, better in some ways and worse in others than Elite & Frontier.
Thats exactly what I was looking forward to as well. A reinvention of the original Wing Commander, better visuals, better physics, more ships, more missions, more everything but basically Wing Commander 20 years later. And thats exactly the angle Chris Roberts was working back then.
Star Citizen now is so far removed from the original version that it more resembles an abomination. Even IF it releases what exactly is it supposed to be? People take SQ42 as the spiritual successor of WC as a given, just a bonus that will come anyway but the truth is, we dont know if we will even get SQ42...there certainly isnt anything out there which would confirm its existence. Reworking WC just as a better version, that alone would ve taken them 2-4 years already, and that was expected. And I get the vibe that SQ42 is just the sorry stepchild at the moment. Nobody pays much attention to it, we certainly get NO upgrades or spoilers whatsoever yet overall people believe its "garantueed". Hell.....we ll see I guess. You know why so many games out there go with the multiplayer aspect? Because creating single player content is the real hard stuff which takes effort and time. A pure multiplayer game is just providing the basics a single player game would need anyway and then leaving content supply to the players. Its so lame really and its visible in so many games. The division, any of the CoDs....most of them ask for top dollars and only provide a rudimentary single player experience, 4-6 hours tops for 60$ but thats okay because you ll have HUNDREDS of hours of multiplayer fun. I cant believe that so many people swallow that bait hook and feather and all. IMO multiplayer should be the cherry on top like 20 years back when you had great games which could entertain you for dozens of hours AND then offering MP capabilities. Nowadays single player content is the smallest part but of course it is....because THATS whats actually hard to create right?
By now watching CiGs behavior and the whales reaction to it all I think its possible that they will get a "get out of jail" card even if they collapse or release a complete failure (aka MVP). I was picturing a tidal wave of salty tears when it happens and shouts for blood but so many of the white knights are so far gone that I think its possible that they will cut their losses and supress their true feelings if only to defy the nay-sayers and of course satan himself.
"They gave it their best shot"
"If only people had more trust and given them more money"
All the while CR and CiG will be praised as the ambitious saviors of PC gaming who would ve made it possible if the world would ve allowed it.
Just a scenario
But the more pathetic and ridiculous stuff happens over at CiG and watching the gullible community keeping their faith one I fear becomes a possibility.
If they do release a rubbish MVP or similar lite release I'm quite looking forward to the 2 hour video they'll make on "chasing the vision " or some such garbage like the6 did with that cringey "road to citcon" after last year's utter fail fest.
He can then attempt to divert more blame from himself and his cronies all the while whinging about how certain media and individuals had poisoned his vision.
He can then attempt to divert more blame from himself and his cronies all the while whinging about how certain media and individuals had poisoned his vision.
Thinking back, there were a couple of things that interested me in the original kick-starter; Firstly the attempt to create a proper physics-based flight model simulating a fly-by-wire system controlling individual thrusters. Extremely difficult to do while still keeping it fun to fly and the ships looking cool, but definitely an intellectually worthwhile thing to try. Secondly SQ42, if it had a good story-line, might have attracted me.
I didn't actually back SC at the time, as I decided to put all my kickstarter cash into either ED or SC rather than divide it between the two and I picked ED, but I was always hopeful that something good would come of it in the end.
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LOL so another week of "development" and CIG add another month to the release date. So 4 steps back for ever step forward.
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1207#post472754585
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1207#post472754585
I backed both, and (taking into account my gambling record) I got 1 winner. I'm happy enough
.(If this was a horse racing senario by the way - SC would have been put down by now...)
It's sad really.
Features are still changing on a daily basis, they haven't completed the basic steps on which everything else depends and interacts with at even the most fundamental level. CR just doesn't seem to understand that without those in place, everything else is utterly pointless as their design and interaction depends on having (at least) a working iteration of the basics which can then be tweaked to satisfaction.
I feel sorry for the developers, I really do - that cannot be an easy environment to operate in.
Features are still changing on a daily basis, they haven't completed the basic steps on which everything else depends and interacts with at even the most fundamental level. CR just doesn't seem to understand that without those in place, everything else is utterly pointless as their design and interaction depends on having (at least) a working iteration of the basics which can then be tweaked to satisfaction.
I feel sorry for the developers, I really do - that cannot be an easy environment to operate in.
I don't, they are getting a paycheck and not producing anything.
The past three years I had a supervisor with serious psychiatric challenges. I worked my behind off producing absolutely nothing. Pretty sure that any of them would leave the second they got a job elsewhere.
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