The Star Citizen Thread v5

[Zyll Goliat]

Someone on that thread referred to "Red Capes incoming!" I presume that is the derogatory tribal epithet for AMD supporters? I'm not really up on all this "We don't like the village the other side of the hill..." malarkey!

Sure me neither but Vulkan show significant imporovements for the "RED"team....just look the DOOM benchmarks,the gains of RX 480 in vulcan are around 40% from other side GTX 1060 almost didn´t gain anything 1-2%....overall DX12 test showing way better results for the AMD so far.....I guess that Asynchronous compute on AMD cards blowing away team "GREEN"atm....
And by the way I am owner of the Nvidia card.....So Is this making me an Hater or Goon once again???

 

[McGlashan]

Good news for games that was build in Cry Engine From Mid-November they will Support Vulkan API....possible better performance in future for SC???

link:http://www.game-debate.com/news/213...gine-can-support-vulkan-api-from-mid-november

I thought the party line was that StarEngine had diverged so far from stock CryEngine at this point (it's a whole new engine! they've added so many improvements! Never mind how broken it is!) that it's a huge ordeal to merge upstream features now (VR). Let alone the whole rendering pipeline, which apparently CIG have vastly improved in order to render such a tremendous range of greys and get that authentic noughties look which is so highly prized in modern games.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I thought the party line was that StarEngine had diverged so far from stock CryEngine at this point (it's a whole new engine! they've added so many improvements! Never mind how broken it is!) that it's a huge ordeal to merge upstream features now (VR). Let alone the whole rendering pipeline, which apparently CIG have vastly improved in order to render such a tremendous range of greys and get that authentic noughties look which is so highly prized in modern games.

Ahh that story is just....

....How they keep catching big "FISHES"&"WHALES"...You know......

 

[Ian Skippy]

Also, who on earth in their right mind would be a spaceship pilot and actually 'want' to load their own cargo?

Noone. But many love to imagine other people loading their ships for them. Its as with 'emergent content': the goal is to have people below you. The goal is to be a Big Deal. Throw money at peasants so they can load your ship, cook your meal, whipe the windshields. Hire marines so they can all salute when you enter your Idris. Your own story becomes more epic when the story of others is far more mundane and, well, boring. Amaze shopkeepers with the tale of how you fought eight alien ships at once! Wow the guy who maintains your fish tank with your latest insane heist!

Be a Big Deal.

 

[SkUnimatrix]

Noone. But many love to imagine other people loading their ships for them. Its as with 'emergent content': the goal is to have people below you. The goal is to be a Big Deal. Throw money at peasants so they can load your ship, cook your meal, whipe the windshields. Hire marines so they can all salute when you enter your Idris. Your own story becomes more epic when the story of others is far more mundane and, well, boring. Amaze shopkeepers with the tale of how you fought eight alien ships at once! Wow the guy who maintains your fish tank with your latest insane heist!

Be a Big Deal.

Some people wonder why the whales spent what they did. Many saying how it is "skipping" the game. Well these people are here to try and play the meta game. They don't care about playing the actual "game" part. They want to try and be the big fish even if it is a small pond.

That's what made a lot of people mad at Elite. Elite doesn't allow them to be that "big fish" who gets to rule over minions.

 

[dsmart]

No. First, the headline is “re: Star Citizen Article published by The Escapist Magazine on October 1st, 2015”. Second, it is written by the general counsel to the managing editor, with copies sent to legal representatives. Third, it threatens litigation.

It is very much a legal response. It is very clearly not just to get some media attention. But yes, it is very unprofessional — this is a recurring theme with lots of CIG's attempt at legal and business communication as or to aggrieved parties.

That makes no sense. The letter has a letter head; the email, being an email, does not. The letter is written by Ortwin, the mail is written by Ray. Why would they have the same style of writing? So on what grounds do you conclude that the email is fake?

For the record, that email was sent to me by a guy I spent months helping get a refund. He finally got it. He forwarded ALL the emails to me, complete with headers. So yes, it's 100% authentic. And I posted it in my blog comments only after he received his refund in full. http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/07/star-citizen-the-refund-debacle/

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If the 3.0 netcode works really well, it could be the turning point for SC.

From what I'm hearing, there is nothing that leads me to believe that it will.

Bear in mind that 2.x is still a ganky mess (Alpha, yeah, whatever).

Many features (e.g. cover, parkour etc) were promised for 2.5. Still MIA.

2.6 is coming up

They canned 2.7, and instead going straight to the 3.0 (aka Jesus Patch)

I wrote a new scoop entry yesterday and I couldn't believe the stuff they were promising for 3.0. Then it occurred to me that they were probably going to roll them out little by little in 3.x patches like they did with 2.x. which means that if they survive 2017 without staff cuts, then 3.x is basically their 2017 year planned out.


Meanwhile some backers haven't caught onto that yet; and they assume that right off the bat, the Jesus Patch is going to have all those things - and give them better multi-player with 'thousands' in same universe.

Look at what they've done for the entire 2016 year, and it's easy to see that the project is not only in trouble, but it simply doesn't stand a ghost in hell chance of ever being completed.

 

[dsmart]

Out of interest (I haven't been following it too closely recently) what professions are in 3.0? I'm guessing trading will be in, but is there any news on mining & bounty hunting?

You probably won't believe it, but here's the list from my latest scoop post.

And since the Gamescom 2016 presentation, they’ve been touting PU 3.0 (aka the Jesus Patch, and which was previously touted as 2.7) which they’re threatening to release by year end – complete with ALL of this:

• Procedural planets featuring an improved version of what was shown at GamesCom
• Player professions which include mercenaries and pirates, trading (which includes cargo transport), as well as bounty hunting
• Implementation of modules which include Subsumption AI, mission/quest giving, improved items (Items 2.0) system, as well as improved networking (which some backers think is going to solve all their current problems)
• Completed Stanton (one of the hundred promised btw) system which is to include a twelve (!) moons, four more areas (adding to GrimHex, Arc Corp, Crusader) and over thirty (!) space stations

Yeah, we’re still laughing when we look at the calendar, and notice that it’s already September and the current 2.5 patch is just plain broken; and if 2.6 releases with Star Marine as promised, they’d be pulling the same stunt they did last year when they released a horribly broken PU 1.0 which backers foolishly assumed would be the start of great things to come.

 

[FuriousMeow]

Well but it is bringing more people, you can check on the RSI forum page that after the free-fly weeks there's a jump newcomers asking questions and also from the several testimony's on reddit and such:

https://as.reddit.com/r/starcitizen...ed_the_game_for_the_first_time_for_free_this/
https://as.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4t931q/coming_from_elite_dangerous_im_in_awe_with_the/
https://as.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4tjj5t/my_star_citizen_experience/
https://as.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4tqm63/my_summer_free_flight_experience/
https://as.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4tem41/first_impressions_on_the_ptu/
https://as.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4t2nkh/my_story_of_playing_crusader_for_the_first_time/
https://as.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4tan70/just_started_loving_the_game_so_far/

Those people are about as unique as a clone. Seriously? That is your evidence of anything?

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Sure me neither but Vulkan show significant imporovements for the "RED"team....just look the DOOM benchmarks,the gains of RX 480 in vulcan are around 40% from other side GTX 1060 almost didn´t gain anything 1-2%....overall DX12 test showing way better results for the AMD so far.....I guess that Asynchronous compute on AMD cards blowing away team "GREEN"atm....
And by the way I am owner of the Nvidia card.....So Is this making me an Hater or Goon once again???

The problem with that is that the performance boost was needed since those cards were under-performing by that amount previously. They still don't achieve the same performance as equivalent cards in nVidia's lineup with Vulkan (DX12 is still new and certain boosts are... well it needs to mature but the nVidia cards still outperform there as well for the most part). So while the boost is real - it just brings the cards almost up to the nVidia equivalent but they are still down by up to 10fps.

So it's kind of a wash basically. But, there is also the price disparity so for 10fps less you also pay a hundred or more dollars less for an AMD card. The flipside of the coin is the AMD drivers have always been kind of... well not the best historically. Also, nVidia has been more open to assisting game devs with development so they get more features with nVidia cards so that is another plus. So, who knows. I do look forward to the future developments of Vulkan and DX12, and also cards with HBM2 to really drive high resolutions. BUT, different topic.

 

[Shinimas]

Those people are about as unique as a clone. Seriously? That is your evidence of anything?

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The problem with that is that the performance boost was needed since those cards were under-performing by that amount previously. They still don't achieve the same performance as equivalent cards in nVidia's lineup with Vulkan (DX12 is still new and certain boosts are... well it needs to mature but the nVidia cards still outperform there as well for the most part). So while the boost is real - it just brings the cards almost up to the nVidia equivalent but they are still down by up to 10fps.

So it's kind of a wash basically. But, there is also the price disparity so for 10fps less you also pay a hundred or more dollars less for an AMD card. The flipside of the coin is the AMD drivers have always been kind of... well not the best historically. Also, nVidia has been more open to assisting game devs with development so they get more features with nVidia cards so that is another plus. So, who knows. I do look forward to the future developments of Vulkan and DX12, and also cards with HBM2 to really drive high resolutions. BUT, different topic.

RX480 is got like 20 more FPS in Doom than 1060 with Vulcan.

 

[FuriousMeow]

which is to include a twelve (!) moons,

I still want to know what CR considers moons or planets or planetoids. Because that "planet" in Alpha 3.0 that had the base they landed on that was "ooo aaaahhh" and a big ol' slice of very specially crafted demoing was only 2000km in diameter. That is smaller than The Moon, less than half the size of Mercury even Pluto looks at it smugly. I really am interested in if they will actually create something real planet sized?

The fact that lil' baby has an atmosphere requires that it has one very active core to create a magnetic field to prevent the atmosphere from getting stripped away by solar winds or...? I know much larger gas giants have another protective shield, which I can't recall right now, but they are.. gas giants.

So CR's "planet" is smaller than our most recent demoted "planet" Pluto. Is that what is in store for us with SC? I know, doesn't matter on size since no way to cover a single real sized planet on foot and study all of it's secrets but lest we forget - SC does everything better and more realistic and more in depth with the most realistic approach and the utmost fidelity and immersion... but he's got a 2000km diameter "planet" with an atmosphere.

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RX480 is got like 20 more FPS in Doom than 1060 with Vulcan.

Tests I saw were less. But, not the place for it. I'll go hunt down the test I saw. It was also overall, not just Vulkan but OpenGL so while the AMD card gained FPS, it was still slower than the nVidia cards using OpenGL and Vulkan introduced no new graphical features from what I saw so it is just a better performing API for AMD. So while the AMD cards gained FPS in Vulkan and the nVidia cards didn't get much, the nVidia cards were still faster in OpenGL than the AMD cards in Vulkan and Vulkan didn't offer any graphical enhancements.

 

[Tippis]

I still want to know what CR considers moons or planets or planetoids. Because that "planet" in Alpha 3.0 that had the base they landed on that was "ooo aaaahhh" and a big ol' slice of very specially crafted demoing was only 2000km in diameter. That is smaller than The Moon, less than half the size of Mercury even Pluto looks at it smugly. I really am interested in if they will actually create something real planet sized?

The fact that lil' baby has an atmosphere requires that it has one very active core to create a magnetic field to prevent the atmosphere from getting stripped away by solar winds or...? I know much larger gas giants have another protective shield, which I can't recall right now, but they are.. gas giants.

Well, realism and simulation fidelity isn't exactly a strong point for SC, so it seems rather fitting that we get the exact opposite of what one might expect. In ED, we only land on relatively small bodies because larger ones have a nasty tendency to be able to keep their gasses to themselves. Here, though, they get small bodies because larger ones would tax their generation process too much.

 

[Toumal]

For the record, that email was sent to me by a guy I spent months helping get a refund. He finally got it. He forwarded ALL the emails to me, complete with headers. So yes, it's 100% authentic. And I posted it in my blog comments only after he received his refund in full. http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/07/star-citizen-the-refund-debacle/.

Damnit dsmart, don't you know that everything you say is a lie, even when it's not? So you saying that it's genuine made it a fake just now.

You should confirm it to be a fake. That'd blow their minds


But seriously, any of you "that email must be fake, it's not true, it's impossible!!!!"-guys still there? Did you get the bit about Ortwin not being in customer support? Letter != email? Are we good here?

Can we agree CiG just confirmed they already spent most of your money since they'd have to ask for people to return their paychecks?

Can we please not have another new SC pusher come in here and post to the contrary in complete ignorance of what CIG themselves said?

 

[Britney]

Some people wonder why the whales spent what they did. Many saying how it is "skipping" the game. Well these people are here to try and play the meta game. They don't care about playing the actual "game" part. They want to try and be the big fish even if it is a small pond.

That's what made a lot of people mad at Elite. Elite doesn't allow them to be that "big fish" who gets to rule over minions.

They managed to create a good correspondence between class positions in real life and virtual world by aggressively pushing the worth of virtual items to insane heights. There will be exceptions, some guys who bought into jpgs beyond their means, or some guys who successfully make a profit through the real-virtual-economy of a non-existing game. But in sum I assume the class positions at the moment are mirrored in the virtual/conceptual world of Star Citizen which makes the Star Citizen Experience (tm) even more bland than it is at the moment. If this game releases workers will work in the game and white collar guys will do their white collar activities in the abstract realm of calculation, decision making and directing the work of the poor, buying a few after-work-drinks worth 6 Auroras in the exclusive strip club the usual cargo handler won't even be allowed to see from the inside.

 

[Vasious]

Idris is a name from Welsh lore, of a Giant Poet. So perhaps that is the reference?

Idris was a giant in Welsh folklore.

Aye, I know Idris is the Welsh Giant, or a version of Enoch

I was just wondering about the Idris system, as the Idris Frigate is said to be named after the Battle of Idris IV, so wondering where the system got its name from.

The Battle of Idris IV was a turning point for the 1st Terravin War and gave Messer his prominence, but the Messers are not popular presently, so does the Idris date from a period of the Messer Regime?

Idris is a step away from the Nomenclature of the Avenger and Retaliator, which were both Messer Era designs

The Blurb about the Idris is
"Idris corvettes are one of Aegis’ larger present-day designs "
Present Day design suggests not a Messer Era ship (Conjecture)

So does the Naming of the Idris after the Battle that gave Ivar Messer his prominence, suggest a subtle show of where Aegis Dynamics loyalties really lie?

Which would be an interesting move given that
"the company once fueled by dictatorial government contracts now thrived on the population it once helped oppress"
You would think they would be distancing themselves from any connection to the Messer regime

 

[Vasious]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEoIuqS6CNU

However remember

Spoiler

in the end, they were the millionaire they dreamed of being

 

[Sir.Tj]

Thread temp closed for moderation.

Will reopen in a little bit.

 

[Sir.Tj]

Thread reopened.

Please remember to stay on topic i.e. the game and not attack each other.

Discuss the post not the poster.

Thanks.

 

[Ozram]

So, they are either low on funds or lying about it. Great people. Gotta love it. Someone should send CR one of those cakes.

 

[Tuub t Tute]

So, they are either low on funds or lying about it. Great people. Gotta love it. Someone should send CR one of those cakes.

Not sure if they had enough polygons to pass the fi-deliciousness requirements?

I don't think they are running out of cash. I strongly suspect that due to having to acknowledge that their ToS refusals will not hold up to legal scrutiny, they have had to change tack to deny refunds through emotional manipulation.

 

[ianw]

Not sure if they had enough polygons to pass the fi-deliciousness requirements?

I don't think they are running out of cash. I strongly suspect that due to having to acknowledge that their ToS refusals will not hold up to legal scrutiny, they have had to change tack to deny refunds through emotional manipulation.

That's pretty much how I see it.

I don't think there is any doubt that the text of the email is accurate.

It's just another cack-handed communication