The Star Citizen Thread v5

[Viajero]

The link to the transmission:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12815-The-Pledge-And-Grace-Period

Don´t know why you face problems, I just browse to transmissions, enter "the pledge" in the search field, change sorting to "old" (it´s from 2012) and voila...


Regarding "more harm than good"; this is the current text, accessible from the mainpage:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game/community

Do you think that there are some important parts missing?

Indeed, I tried old, and all i get is : https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12730-A-Message-From-Chris-Roberts

But that is by the by, as I mentioned above you will never get there unless you know the link exists. No way to reach it direct from the main menus describing the project as it probably should be the case. This was my humble proposal at the time:

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5284836/#Comment_5284836

With regards to "more harm than good" I was referring to The Pledge mention to treat backers with the same respect they would give publishers, which may include offering financials or information regarding product penetration, say, concurrent players population figures, actual numbes of backers instead of RSI site accounts, among other things etc. Also the point about not using backer funds in public relations, or the privilege for backers to see any news about development first, before the rest of the world (i.e. no privileges for media outlets out there) etc, etc, etc

It is water under the bridge by now but imo CIG has clearly tried, and succeeded, in distancing itself from The Pledge, as much as possible. That isolated link was probably the result of the enquiring thread I posted above, and only after many months and reminders about it. Otherwise it would have most likely been left to rot in the old RSI site. As for the "why" we can only speculate.

 

[Stigbob]

“But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”

 

[Tippis]

Yo Tippis? I hope you don't mind but I'm going to copy & paste a comment you made over on SA in response to a ridiculous description some ultra white knight made to describe what Star Citizen is currently like.

OMG I'm going to sue! For… ehm… something. There's probably some copy-paste patent somewhere that can be bought and dragged out.

 

[Stigbob]

Too late

Oooh rep for you ninja pants.

 

[dsmart]

I don't, I just tried that and got some ship adverts and a thing about gifting ships.

Same here. And I just tried it again to be sure.

 

[MTBFritz]

Same here. And I just tried it again to be sure.

Does work for me as described tho /shoulder

 

[Dooguk]

these are strange times indeed

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/660bn6/feels_like_noone_is_playing/

That's alright. They have all had their money's worth of fun.

 

[Gnorok]

Same here. And I just tried it again to be sure.

Maybe a problem with your browser? I try to describe it step by step:

Starting from the CIG-Mainpage (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/) click on comm-link:



Enter "the pledge" in the search field (if you include the "" you´ll get only one result, otherwise you have to scroll...) and click on "search"



You should see this result:

 

[AJW]

Yes, you can access it like that. If you know what you are looking for. But why, given that it is a statement about what CIG are promising in return for backer's money, isn't it linked in a more obvious way? How exactly are prospective backers going to even know it is there? What exactly is the point of making a 'pledge' and then not telling the people who you are making it to that it exists?

 

[dsmart]

Maybe a problem with your browser? I try to describe it step by step:

Starting from the CIG-Mainpage (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/) click on comm-link:

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Enter "the pledge" in the search field (if you include the "" you´ll get only one result, otherwise you have to scroll...) and click on "search"

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You should see this result:

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OK, it looks like a browser issue. I tried it in Opera with quotes, and it took me to that single page. But without the quotes...oooh boy, I had to strap my wallet so it didn't fly off.

 

[Gnorok]

Yes, you can access it like that. If you know what you are looking for. But why, given that it is a statement about what CIG are promising in return for backer's money, isn't it linked in a more obvious way? How exactly are prospective backers going to even know it is there? What exactly is the point of making a 'pledge' and then not telling the people who you are making it to that it exists?

Valid questions, but our starting point sometime ago was the question, if the pledge statement is accessible through the RSI site at all or if you have to use an external search engine. That resulted in a funny but a little late hunt for eastereggs [big grin]

 

[Skizomeuh]

Easy yet risky test: make a thread on Spectrum on the subject and put the direct link in, and wait... For thread deletion or citizens' flaming.

 

[Viajero]

Valid questions, but our starting point sometime ago was the question, if the pledge statement is accessible through the RSI site at all or if you have to use an external search engine. That resulted in a funny but a little late hunt for eastereggs [big grin]

No, not really. The starting question was:

I challenge any of you to try and find a direct link to that "Our Pledge" text in the RSI website main menus.

And you obviously can not. The only way to get to it is to know the direct link or to have to dig out an article that was only updated after months and months of reminders, all under white knight harassment, that the Pledge link was missing (ref https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/257642/can-anyone-find-the-pledge).

As a starter no newcomers to the project since the new RSI site went online will ever be aware of it unless someone (not the RSI site menu, and therefore not CIG) gives them the link or tell them where to look. For a text that is so primordial and central to the whole project it is quite surprising that a more accessible and obvious link is not present at the main menus somewhere or even within the Project Status section at least (as Ben himself suggested) so also newcomers can see it.

As I mentioned above it is clear, at least to me, that CIG has successfully distanced itself from The Pledge as much as has been possible. The pains we had to go through to get that isolated link attest to it, with Ben repeatedly assuring that the Pledge would feature in a prominent place in the site... alas that never happened. My guess is that Ben probably tried his best to make it happen but was "overruled by Legal" or some such given the implications of having it displayed in a too obvious spot, ref the "more harm than good" post above.

 

[dsmart]

Easy yet risky test: make a thread on Spectrum on the subject and put the direct link in, and wait... For thread deletion or citizens' flaming.

Yeah, and be sure to post the Spectrum link here so we can enjoy the ensuring lolz fallout.

 

[Stigbob]

OK, it looks like a browser issue. I tried it in Opera with quotes, and it took me to that single page. But without the quotes...oooh boy, I had to strap my wallet so it didn't fly off.

So as long as you have the right browser, you know where on which page to search, you know the phrase to search for and you put quotation marks either side, you can find it "really easily".

So it's a hidden or concealed pledge.

 

[dsmart]

So as long as you have the right browser, you know where on which page to search, you know the phrase to search for and you put quotation marks either side, you can find it "really easily".

So it's a hidden or concealed pledge.

Yeah, pretty much.

I tried it again with IE, Firefox; and it works the same as with Opera; in that with "quotes", you can find it. Without, you can't. I haven't tried it again with Chrome because I don't want to clear my cache + cookies, since that's my primary browser.

 

[Stigbob]

Yeah, pretty much.

I tried it again with IE, Firefox; and it works the same as with Opera; in that with "quotes", you can find it. Without, you can't. I haven't tried it again with Chrome because I don't want to clear my cache + cookies, since that's my primary browser.

Deliberately concealing past promises doesn't fill me with confidence as a consumer..

 

[Tuub t Tute]

Is this the new SC-meta? Mission to find a 5 year old webpage... maybe this unlocks Stanton?

 

[Maruun]

Is this the new SC-meta? Mission to find a 5 year old webpage... maybe this unlocks Stanton?

You could say the "The Pledge" is the formidine rift of SC... a story buried in the endless fidelity.

 

[VidarSnipes]

Is this the new SC-meta? Mission to find a 5 year old webpage... maybe this unlocks Stanton?

That was the first exploration mechanics test. Next in: looking through spectrum of returned radar signal, that is, rummaging through the page's source code.