If they actively trying to crash into someone it's not gonna work. Simple. That is the point of disabling collisions. To make griefing by that impossible.
To Solo Play Players: If You Could Disable PVP, Would You Play in Open Play Mode Instead?
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Robert Maynard
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Which is probably why players can't restrict the movement of other players by getting in their way while on foot in dock - Frontier foresaw the consequences of giving players the ability to restrict others' movement.
Au contraire.
Elite is obviously conceived as a solo game with the added option of multiplayer.
Why?
Because other players are purely optional. There is nothing in game (no mission, no objective, no story) that requires the presence of other players to be able to be completed
Sure, playing in multiplayer (co-op mode in a Private group) can sometimes make things easier. Not always tho. Sometimes it just complicates things.
Many PvP games do it too. It just is disruptive to the core gameplay.
Careful .. those who assume others are in bad faith, are automatically themselves in bad faith.
Your logic is also flawed:
NO, it demonstrates a point of view different from yours, nothing more, nothing less.
Woah! If you really want to know the motivation, ask!
Which is something in your mind, not theirs
Not sure I understand what you are implying ..
So you DO think that Open only BGS will make BGS fair?
BGS? the thing specifically designed to be an indirect asynchronous competitive play between platforms, modes and timezones and with a 24h cycle?
Where did I say that? (Please don't assume)
Actually its not.
Ive spent many years doing both PvP and PVE, organising Raids in Everquest back in the day makes PvP look like a day out in Animal Crossing.
But staying with Elite, if your trying to convince folks that taking out a trade ship with a wing of engineered combat ships requires any sort of skill, sure knock yourself out
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I thought the BGS was designed to make the Galaxy 'dynamic', as opposed to the completely static one of E: D's predecessors, and the competitive aspect is solely a player agenda, made possible because the BGS is all too fickle, PP probably being designed more with the asynchronous competitive play in mind.
But what do I know.
Actually its not.
Ive spent many years doing both PvP and PVE, organising Raids in Everquest back in the day makes PvP look like a day out in Animal Crossing.
But staying with Elite, if your trying to convince folks that taking out a trade ship with a wing of engineered combat ships requires any sort of skill, sure knock yourself out
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You're aware that there are other types of PvP activity, rather than just popping trade ships, right?
Tbh I don't even know how you would measure it, but blanket statements don't help.
but most other PvP games players are not huge in size, like 15x21x5 meters for a small siderwinder up to 192x111x33 for a Cutter or 168x87x28 for a Corvette... it will take some time to move through one of these ships...
Most PvP games have human sized avatars,
But World of Tanks do appear to have collisions enabled... and tanks a fair bit bigger than a human...
Same with World of Warships, that have even bigger things for us to control...
so when you player representation in the game is small, is far less disruptive to remove player collisions, but as your player representation gets bigger, issues related to the increased size crop up more and more.
I have yet to see any real argument for how this is going to work without breaking the game or allow abuse of the mechanics.
and brings other issues. please tell me how this will work in practice... do we get bouncy castles? we know the physics sometimes is real wonky, just look at players getting jettisoned into space when trying to ride an SRV ontop of a ship... well that is no longer going to happen, when collisions is turned off.. forget about players walking on another players ship, as we have turned of collisions... and on the list goes...
I have yet to see any real argument for how turning off collisions is going to break the game or allow abuse of the mechanics.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Precedent has been set for collision detection between players while walking - it's switched off while in dock, for obvious reasons.
Try to picture the following 2 scenarios
1) the mail slot of a busy station.
Two player owned Cutters get through eachother while entering/exiting the station at the same time.
It's beyond silly. Some may say gamebreaking.
2) A Cutter, havin inside it 3 FDL nicely stack ontop each other.
I might think i attack a sitting duck Cutter, only to have 3 more ships "exiting" from it
1) Silly isn't game breaking.
2) The first real argument.
Does not compute. If this situation would occur, it woud be a PvE instance, so PvP would not happen.
You would need to make rules about what happens when clipping through another ship and firing your weapons.