UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

[Han_Zen]

I am shocked ... you have waited until now to view one of the canonical documents of the Canonn ?

severe tut tutting .... Nice bit o tinfoil tho

The Wings trailer is the Genesis of UA mythologi

Nice work Derthek. I have never managed to get a good listing of those rolling letters.

 

[DerryBear]

CMDRs in the 1.2 trailer are:
Ishmael
Jameson
Halligan
Kohl
West
Vengar
Sephirius
Flint

All added to my friends list. Lets see what happens!

As I saw this post I searched for the CMDR name that didn't pop up last night. Flint on Xbox is indeed a reserved gamertag and the account has seen no activity except for a couple of friends added, It was created 13 months ago. Goggling the name Flint lead me to its meaning, The only relevant info I could pull for its origins is that Flint as a surname means Hard Hearted.

Strange that an account that has never seen any activity has people trying to add it and so on.

Added: Having let my brain run wild for a little bit, I searched the name Palin and found a reserved account, reserved 13 months ago and with the only activity being 1 friend added. The name Palin is of welsh origin meaning include "Bearer of Wine" and "Serves at the table" The friend is called TWAX and is another reserved account created 11 months ago.

 

[danubezoe]

Driving the narrative is one thing (and a welcome one) driving events that are supposed to be triggered in game is a flange, and an uneccessary one.
I still don't believe fd would do such a thing when they seem so keen on the science like things they have seen here.

Flange and science are not compatible

My Guess would be that sold UAs shut down stations but is moderated by population and tech-Level of the stations. There is a slight possibility that FD haven't considered the ramifications when UA's were sold to Powerplay or other Factions (SOL, ACHENAR etc.) so they had to add a moderating factor to that aswell. From a story point of view a Power or major faction should have the know-how and Resources to counter the effects.

Cheers
DZ

 

[TFW Primus]

Is that the one with Scotty? I distinctly remember one with scotty and a dyson sphere, though I've got mixed up memories of that one and I'm not sure if it's a fan theory or the actual plot of the episode where they put him to pasture in a shuttlecraft inside a holodeck.

This is the one I was talking about. Included the introduction of the Romulans to TNG.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Neutral_Zone_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

 

[yoda711]

You're way off. Time dilation reduces the traveler distance by a significant factor.

normally you'd be right, but time dilation is not incorporated in the game. every ship in the game is in the same reference. See here, 2nd and 4th paragraphs: http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Supercruise

 

[fyo]

normally you'd be right, but time dilation is not incorporated in the game. every ship in the game is in the same reference. See here, 2nd and 4th paragraphs: http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Supercruise

The current drives "cheat", but the sub-light speed drives of the Generation Ships were most certainly subject to time dilation compared to those who remained behind.

I'm on a phone right now, otherwise I'd find the link where one of the devs explains it.

 

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

Sigh... Are you trolling?

First year maths should have you covered with distance equal to speed multiplied by TIME. If you look at the calculation I commented on, it had exactly such an equation:

"(3301-2097)*0.6 = 722.4 ly"

Do I need to explain how time dilation reduces the traveler distance or were you just trolling?

Sorry for being snarky. It's early and my the amount of screaming around here is intolerable (kids, not UA, although the kids do emit both screams, growls and all sorts of other stuff).

Are you saying that that equation is wrong? Because KellyR is right if we assume that 0.6c is the speed of the ship as observed from outside the ship. The thing you're talking about is length contraction, not time dilation, although the two are related. To an observer on the ship, the distance to their destination will actually be shorter than to an outside observer. But, what we're talking about here is what an outside observers sees, because we're the ones looking for the ship.

For completeness the time experienced by someone traveling at a constant 0.6c for say 1000 years is t'=t*sqrt(1-v^2/c²) where t' is the time observed in the ship and t is the time observed by us. So according to the clock on the ship 800 years have passed while 1000 years have passed for us. Similarly while we would see the ship travel 600 light years in 1000 years times, that distance would actually appear to be shorter to an observer on the ship by a factor of 80%, so 480 light years. In addition to an outside observer, the ship itself would appear to be contracted parallel to its direction of travel. And if we could actually look in the window of the ship everything would appear to be moving at four-fifths speed, while to the people in the ship looking out we'd appear to be sped up.

Sorry, special relativity was one of my favs in undergrad.

 

[rizal72]

My uncle Albert, otherwise known as Einstein, would be proud of this thread...

 

[Tyrit Shadowstalker]

This is the one I was talking about. Included the introduction of the Romulans to TNG.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Neutral_Zone_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

oddly enough... not one I've seen.. which is weird since I thought I saw all of season 1 this summer.

 

[knowles2]

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e Originally Posted by TFW Primus View Post
This is the one I was talking about. Included the introduction of the Romulans to TNG.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ne...xt_Generation)

oddly enough... not one I've seen.. which is weird since I thought I saw all of season 1 this summer

Enjoy that episode. Always thought it a shame we never saw Ralph Offenhouse pop up again. Him and Picard on opposite sides during trade negotiations would have been a fun episode.

 

[EAGLE 5]

I just noticed this morning that some system description and allegiances changed in beta 2. Particularly of interest is Phekda as it mentions generation ships. I seem to have seen more systems with descriptions too.

 

[GenghisBob]

CMDRs,

Has anyone analyzed the sounds of malfunctioning stations?

I am curious if there are any differences between uninfected stations, malfunctioning stations, and shut-down stations.

While I personally believe that UAs damage stations just as they do ships - rather than being an infectious agent - if it was actually infecting a station it would be reasonable to think that the station would begin to inherit aspects of the UA itself. The UAs obviously communicate via their sounds (morse code). Maybe the infected stations do too?

I may need a new roll of tinfoil.

GBob

 

[clavain]

The Wings trailer is the Genesis of UA mythologi

I thought it was the Moby .

 

[EAGLE 5]

I thought it was the Moby .

I thought it was the big bang?

 

[Han_Zen]

Are you saying that that equation is wrong? Because KellyR is right if we assume that 0.6c is the speed of the ship as observed from outside the ship. The thing you're talking about is length contraction, not time dilation, although the two are related. To an observer on the ship, the distance to their destination will actually be shorter than to an outside observer. But, what we're talking about here is what an outside observers sees, because we're the ones looking for the ship.

For completeness the time experienced by someone traveling at a constant 0.6c for say 1000 years is t'=t*sqrt(1-v^2/c²) where t' is the time observed in the ship and t is the time observed by us. So according to the clock on the ship 800 years have passed while 1000 years have passed for us. Similarly while we would see the ship travel 600 light years in 1000 years times, that distance would actually appear to be shorter to an observer on the ship by a factor of 80%, so 480 light years. In addition to an outside observer, the ship itself would appear to be contracted parallel to its direction of travel. And if we could actually look in the window of the ship everything would appear to be moving at four-fifths speed, while to the people in the ship looking out we'd appear to be sped up.

Sorry, special relativity was one of my favs in undergrad.

Good explantion. You are right in about the speed of th Mayflower97. The speed is measured by an outside observer.

I would just like to add that the egngines of the Mf97 were still running full speed in the 3250s. We are probably looking at constant acceleration, not constant speed.

We are looking at an average speed of 0.3c (not exact as the constant acceleration is in the local refernce frame, but it's not far off).
Should be 350-400 ly out, if it's still going full speed.

 

[King Sancho]

But I sat with 10 UA at [Quince - Millerport] for two weeks. And nothing happened.
I wrote a lot about it (notice me Sempai / MB). And nothing happened.

Your experience bolsters my thoughts, that there are no real mechanics that effect (affect? Can't remember) stations, but rather the infections are done manually by the devs. I would guess they look at data analytics to see where the UAs are sold, with a bit of thread monitoring by the devs.

 

[King Sancho]

Oh Shii...

Unfortunately, I stupidly committed to watching all Harry Potter movies with wife for movie nights aka Netflix and Chill nights. (There was a reason why I never watched them before, now I remember) Anyways, I learned that the Voldermorde dude had a mom named Merope. OH Shiii..

Could the UAs be some kind of evil bald Ralph Fiennes, magically spawned by Planet Merope?

Oh Shii..

 

[Popov Le Magnifique]

As a Frenchman, it always surprises me when English native speakers hesitate between affect and effect. In your sentence, affect would be the correct answer Sancho.

Effect: Use it as a noun.
Affect: Use it as a verb.

End of story.

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Of course effect can be used as a verb and affect as a noun but hey, short answers are the best answers IMO!

 

[Derthek]

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I must confess, i've never watched the wings trailer.
until now... Prepare your tinfoil.

Wings trailer played at 25% speed with frame by frame, i managed to catch this. CMDR DerryBear has added Sephirius on Xbox, the account is dormant (No games, no activity) from March/Feb... the time that wings was released. Not only that, but other commanders from the trailer also seem to be on Xbox. All registered the same time as Sephirius, no activity.

All of these commanders can be found on PC except this Sephirius who only exists on Xbox.
http://i.imgur.com/Y8mRFpK.png

*disclaimer* I bleed tinfoil.
Now, Sephirius could be a misspelling of Zephyrus (believe it or not, Zephyr is my old go-to name for MMOs) the greek god of the West wind. There was another CMDR name in the 1.2 trailer called CMDR West. Ishmael means "God listens" which relates somewhat to "Have you listened to them" but as i said, i bleed tinfoil. could be nothing. could be everything.

CMDRs in the 1.2 trailer are:
Ishmael
Jameson
Halligan
Kohl
West
Vengar
Sephirius
Flint

All added to my friends list. Lets see what happens!

When the word "Elite: Dangerous" pops up at the beginning, each letter originates as the following:
JVWYO IKBLNFTEG

Does that mean anything to anyone?

Letters to numbers you're looking at
10-22-23-25-15 / 9-11-2-12-14-6-20-5-7

To me, it seems like a number sequence. Could be the numbers between the initial letter and the letter it becomes. that gives us:
JVWYO - Elite
+5 +10 +14 +5 +10

IKBLNFTEG - Dangerous
-5 -10 +12 +5 -9 +12 -5 +16 +12

As the word WINGS fades in and out the letters are
KXDXK
GTZTG
BOUOB
XKQKX
WINGS
BJPTW
GOUOB
LTZT_
_YEY_

Seems that the letters contain a pattern but that may just be the way the program they used to scramble letters handles the scrambling.

Ishmael could not have made it back to civilized space in the 4 minutes of oxygen he had left. Not in a T7 that is. Unless he had the new synthesized fuel that increases jump range in 2.0 however the planet in the background of the 1.2 trailer has atmosphere and is obviously un-landable.

I do wonder if CMDR Vengar works for the people who recently have increased the selling price of the UA.
Theres only 1 CMDR unacounted for, and thats the Viper that rams the T7. all I could find out about him was that he had a bounty for 14,000 creds. Which is less than the 15,000 cred bounty his mate, CMDR Flint had. Vengar's bounty is never shown.

If anyone can comb through the trailer and find this CMDRs name, I'll give you a hug.

Back to Zephyr, there are many minor connections that my tinfoil brain can make between this greek diety and the trailer/UA mystery but the only one worth noting is that both Merope & Zeph are of Greek origin.

I've sold an Unknown Artefact at EY06 station in the Zephyrus system

Spoiler

Zephyrus is 61 lightyears from Leonard Nimoy Station.
Vulcan in LHS 3006 is going to be accesable in 2.0 I believe.

Spoiler

Bonus Tin Foil: Raxxla

Spoiler

My guess is Raxxla would be in one of these


http://m.space.com/20112-oldest-known-star-universe.html
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis_Major_Overdensity


Which is Lalande 28607 in game. The age does not match up, however.
I really should be paying more attention to a stars age when ever i jump into a system.

 

[LordZoltan]

Are you saying that that equation is wrong? Because KellyR is right if we assume that 0.6c is the speed of the ship as observed from outside the ship. The thing you're talking about is length contraction, not time dilation, although the two are related. To an observer on the ship, the distance to their destination will actually be shorter than to an outside observer. But, what we're talking about here is what an outside observers sees, because we're the ones looking for the ship.

For completeness the time experienced by someone traveling at a constant 0.6c for say 1000 years is t'=t*sqrt(1-v^2/c²) where t' is the time observed in the ship and t is the time observed by us. So according to the clock on the ship 800 years have passed while 1000 years have passed for us. Similarly while we would see the ship travel 600 light years in 1000 years times, that distance would actually appear to be shorter to an observer on the ship by a factor of 80%, so 480 light years. In addition to an outside observer, the ship itself would appear to be contracted parallel to its direction of travel. And if we could actually look in the window of the ship everything would appear to be moving at four-fifths speed, while to the people in the ship looking out we'd appear to be sped up.

Sorry, special relativity was one of my favs in undergrad.

You have explained exceptionally succinctly where I tried and failed numerous times last night (no formal study here, just a popsci freak) - I wanted to interject with 'depends whether time passed is for "us" or the generation ship' but then couldn't back it up with the actual science.

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As a Frenchman, it always surprises me when English native speakers hesitate between affect and effect. In your sentence, affect would be the correct answer Sancho.

Effect: Use it as a noun.
Affect: Use it as a verb.

End of story.

Spoiler

Of course effect can be used as a verb and affect as a noun but hey, short answers are the best answers IMO!

It's often the case that non-native speakers have a better grasp of these nuances of English!

I think it's because English grammar awareness is not drilled into us all at school when we learn our own language, lol.

Speaking for myself - I learned more about English, grammar and construction etc, by learning French and German (sadly left me now because I'm a typical lazy Englishman)