Wait, wait, wait! So even when you`ve bought everything you still have to buy the Beta?

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Jex =TE= said:
I don't play the tech demo I have right now and attention? I dunno what to say about what is going on in your appeasing brain so eager to hand over your money for nothing. Perhaps I just have a higher standard of morals than you do and take the time to think about the things in front of me. When there's a game in this barebones demo I'll re-invest but during that time, I'll try to at least make an effort, for free by the way though you're welcome to pay me, to steer the game to a more intelligent and deeper game than the unchallenging, easy boring and expensive game we have right now.
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I am not a beta tester first off. But thanks to those that are.
So you don't play, don't do anything, but just come here to complain eh?
For the "good of the game" for all right? Because if folks don't see it your way then there is something wrong with them right?
This forum is a sad, sad place. Wish there was someone else for game information.
 
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[VR] Goooost

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SeaFireliv said:
In a Court of Law with any other product this would be considered malpractise and the company fined. I kid you not.
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Ever buy a DVD box set with extra director commentary and behind the scenes stuff? It's not dissimilar from that.

Of course they're making money off it, but there are some costs to consider as well. A beta has way more updates and downloads than their normal patch cycles for the base game. That costs money to distribute... not as much as they'll be getting back, but still a valid consideration along with their specialized beta support teams and the rapid development cycle that has to take place during a live beta when in comparison to the rest of the season. There's always a risk that something will be discovered that breaks the game and just because it's a beta doesn't mean they can just let those bugs cook- they have to be dealt with expeditiously. The customer experience has to be maintained throughout the whole process.

But what cuts through all of that is the simple fact that time is money. This is an early access. The developer is saying it's playable but they aren't considering it the finished product you paid for. So what is it worth to you to not wait?
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Jex =TE= said:
I don't play the tech demo I have right now and attention? I dunno what to say about what is going on in your appeasing brain so eager to hand over your money for nothing. Perhaps I just have a higher standard of morals than you do and take the time to think about the things in front of me. When there's a game in this barebones demo I'll re-invest but during that time, I'll try to at least make an effort, for free by the way though you're welcome to pay me, to steer the game to a more intelligent and deeper game than the unchallenging, easy boring and expensive game we have right now.
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Most of us didn't hand over our money for nothing. We have beta access because of kickstarter, LEP, etc. They only added beta access to the store because some people asked for it. They wanted to give them money.
 

Jex =TE=

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GreyAreaUK said:
As I wrote above, unless you are really, actually beta testing then all you are really doing is getting early access to fun new stuff. I have no issues with them charging people for that.

Now, what would be nice is if FDev refunded your beta price if you submit a real, useful bug report.
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I guess we'll just have to disagree. Charging early access to an early access game you already paid for to me is indefensible and they don't even have the guts to call it what it is - Paid Early Access for the content you already paid for. If they said it like that, do you think people wouldn't be screaming over that?
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
GreyAreaUK said:
As I wrote above, unless you are really, actually beta testing then all you are really doing is getting early access to fun new stuff. I have no issues with them charging people for that.

Now, what would be nice is if FDev refunded your beta price if you submit a real, useful bug report.
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This, in spades.
Sorry I can't rep' you right now.

I wonder how many people are actually TESTING things while monkeying around in the beta's compared with how many are just frantically racing around to see all the things that were rumoured to be in it, often for the purposes of bunging video's on YouTube, which earns them money?

It seems like a good idea to compensate people for embracing the real purpose of a beta-test.
Perhaps, if FDev don't want to give people money, they could, at least, offer people skins & ship-kits in return for reporting issues?
Might even be an idea to design a unique ship-skin and give it away with each purchase of a new beta, so that people get something permanent for their investment.

Personally I avoid the whole beta process like the plague.
maybe that makes me a bit of a "non team-player" but I tend to think companies are going to press on with whatever ideas they've had regardless of feedback and if there are actual bugs in an update, they're going to get fixed eventually, regardless of whether they were found in beta or not.
 
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Jex =TE=

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babelfisch said:
Most of us didn't hand over our money for nothing. We have beta access because of kickstarter, LEP, etc. They only added beta access to the store because some people asked for it. They wanted to give them money.
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Well I'm not talking about the people who already paid for LEP's, etc they can't take that back now.
 

AgamemnonWhen

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SeaFireliv said:
you still have to buy the Beta
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You don't HAVE to buy anything you don't want to. Don't let any naughty people tell you otherwise!

Personally, I'm happy to wait until you eager, excitable types have tested all the broken things and I can play the game when it's ready! Thanks for your help, beta-testers.
 

Hellakitty

Hellakitty
There comes a time when one has to realise they're making themselves look a bit silly, and take the decision to step away from the keyboard for a while.

Now is that time.
 

Gimi

Gimi
Stealthie said:
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I wonder how many people are actually TESTING things while monkeying around in the beta's compared with how many are just frantically racing around to see all the things that were rumoured to be in it, often for the purposes of bunging video's on YouTube, which earns them money?
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Well, there are 325 Threads and 997 Posts in the 2.3 beta bug reporting forum, so some do test and report issues.
Probably a small percentage compared to the total number of beta access sold, but still considerable.
 

GreyAreaUK

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CMDR Hellakitty said:
There comes a time when one has to realise they're making themselves look a bit silly, and take the decision to step away from the keyboard for a while.

Now is that time.
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*FX: shotgun round being chambered*
Bullhorn: PUT THE MOUSE DOWN AND STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD, SIR! NOWNOWNOW!
 

Some1else

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It seems to me that as long as some players are willing to pay for beta access, then there is no company in the world that would give it for free.

S1E
 

SeeZaa

SeeZaa
Jex =TE= said:
So you pay to work for FDev now, do you? Not only that, you're work is naff because everything that comes out of beta testing is bug ridden beyond belief or just broken.

Paying for Beta!

*I've heard it all now!!
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uno momento mr.. should that not be.. "i hear this every time there is a new beta, and say more or less the same thing each time"??
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Gimi said:
Well, there are 325 Threads and 997 Posts in the 2.3 beta bug reporting forum, so some do test and report issues.
Probably a small percentage compared to the total number of beta access sold, but still considerable.
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Many of which are discussing "opinions" or "concerns" rather than actually evaluating the content they've been presented with.

So, we're looking at a forum which contains a minority of people who've bought the beta access and contains a minority of discussion about actual problems.

Good on the people who ARE actually intent on testing out how things work but let's not kid ourselves about the motivations many people have for buying beta access.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Stealthie said:
Many of which are discussing "opinions" or "concerns" rather than actually evaluating the content they've been presented with.

So, we're looking at a forum which contains a minority of people who've bought the beta access and contains a minority of discussion about actual problems.

Good on the people who ARE actually intent on testing out how things work but let's not kid ourselves about the motivations many people have for buying beta access.
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You are confusing the beta discussion forum with the beta bug reporting forum.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/92-2-3-Beta-Discussions

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/93-2-3-Beta-Bug-Reports
 
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Stealthie

Stealthie
babelfisch said:
You are confusing the beta discussion forum with the beta bug reporting forum.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/92-2-3-Beta-Discussions

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/93-2-3-Beta-Bug-Reports
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Fair comment.

Course, it also has to be said that all the bugs which CURRENTLY exist also passed through the beta "testing" phase as well, as did questionable mechanics such as healing-lasers, so you've got to question the process that allowed that to happen.

The problem is, if we're honest, that people simply don't figure things out immediately.
It often takes months before somebody says to themselves "Hey! I wonder what would happen if...." and a new exploit is born.
Beta testing, by it's very nature, isn't going to help with a lot of this stuff.
 

Gimi

Gimi
Stealthie said:
Many of which are discussing "opinions" or "concerns" rather than actually evaluating the content they've been presented with.

So, we're looking at a forum which contains a minority of people who've bought the beta access and contains a minority of discussion about actual problems.

Good on the people who ARE actually intent on testing out how things work but let's not kid ourselves about the motivations many people have for buying beta access.
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Agree to some extent. A lot of those 997 posts are discussions or opinions. But those 325 threads represent a bug report each in almost every case, so I would argue that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I know I enjoy actually testing and compiling the evidence for my reports, but hey, I'm a bit wierd. Don't have much time for that now though.
 
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