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[Spaceman Si]

Absolutely this - have to be frank, having given it some time, fleet carriers have ruined the game for me. My family knew about my expedition out to Colonia, now it appears that the whole thing was a waste of time. There was a guy on FB this morning, half way back from Colonia, didn't fancy the 300 jumps he had left, so was asking someone to come pick him up in a fleet carrier. He's logging back in when they let him know that they're there. Sorry to say it, but as it sits and for my style of gameplay, the 'must have everything now' tranche of society have ruined my favourite ever game and I am incredibly sad about it. Playing more RDR than Elite, suddenly, and might be done entirely. Am actually in mourning.

I can sympathise thoroughly!

I have filtered FCs out of my nav panel, and play in solo. That does go a long way to ignoring them in-game, at least, which I found helpful. Of course, it doesn't hide the pandemic of them appearing on the system map if you go somewhere where they are infesting, but they are mostly confined to the inhabited areas. I'm hoping that there will eventually be an "ignore carriers" option for the sysmap.

Then I'm just trying to ignore the posts about them "popping over to Sag A" or "can anyone give me a lift back from Beagle Point" and such like. Which isn't easy, of course. It's hard to ignore that sort of obvious devaluation, especially reading the forums here, but at least it can be brushed aside as being "something other people are doing elsewhere" rather than directly impacting your own game.

It might be worth trying to get round them like that for a while?

 

[Ant hill]

I'm German. My countrymen and -women can usually be seen at the hotel pool at 7 AM, replacing the towels the british put out at 4 AM with their own.

I'm happy to make a joke out of such stereotypes in person. Writing it down makes me nervous, sitting here in my bowler hat, smoking my pipe.
I'm just happy to be part of a world where the perception of difference is getting smaller by the day.
I've had great times in Germany by the way. I had a happy holiday there two years ago on the Bavarian Austrian border staying at a farm and swimming in the lakes. Lovely stuff.

 

[Chris Simon]

I'm happy to make a joke out of such stereotypes in person. Writing it down makes me nervous, sitting here in my bowler hat, smoking my pipe.
I'm just happy to be part of a world where the perception of difference is getting smaller by the day.
I've had great times in Germany by the way. I had a happy holiday there two years ago on the Bavarian Austrian border staying at a farm and swimming in the lakes. Lovely stuff.

I traveled a lot when I was younger and even then, while stereotypes can help you navigate a foreign society, ultimately I found the same types of people everywhere.
Most of the stereotypes is a simple confirmation bias.

Jokes are always good, though. Both as an ice breaker and self defense.

 

[Simon Templar]

I can sympathise thoroughly!

I have filtered FCs out of my nav panel, and play in solo. That does go a long way to ignoring them in-game, at least, which I found helpful. Of course, it doesn't hide the pandemic of them appearing on the system map if you go somewhere where they are infesting, but they are mostly confined to the inhabited areas. I'm hoping that there will eventually be an "ignore carriers" option for the sysmap.

Then I'm just trying to ignore the posts about them "popping over to Sag A" or "can anyone give me a lift back from Beagle Point" and such like. Which isn't easy, of course. It's hard to ignore that sort of obvious devaluation, especially reading the forums here, but at least it can be brushed aside as being "something other people are doing elsewhere" rather than directly impacting your own game.

It might be worth trying to get round them like that for a while?

Yes, thank you, I am trying, but it all seems so unregulated that it is tricky. I have them filtered out of my nav panel, but when they can moor (or whatever they do) it's hard to ignore them. I actually had to fly around one to get into the mail slot at Jaques Station in Colonia the other day. They have completely ruined Colonia, and it's ridiculous that they can be within stations' safety zones. I'd rather be back in the Bubble, but having just spent 1bn cr or more getting my ships up here, and put in 600+ jumps, I rather feel a bit 'why should I?' when surely there are other games. I'd be heading back to the Bubble with no guarantee that I'd manage to avoid them, and they have attracted a lot of new approaches which are a bit modern society for me. Conscious that I sound like an old bore (despite being 'only' 46, and with a young outlook) but I find I log in and miss the old game. And certainly have no interest in Colonia, any more, none whatsoever. If I could magic my fleet back to the Bubble for free I'd do that and give it a go (basically try to find a corner of the game with stations but no fleet carriers) but I can't and gameplay in Colonia no longer appeals at all. If they let us remove them from the system map that would help a bit, but until then I think it is gaming with my kids and returning to RDR2. I have become that ultimate modern construct - I'm a bored billionaire, feeling misunderstood by the world :-(

But thank you so much for the response, the sentiment is much appreciated.

o7

 

[Ant hill]

Jokes are always good, though. Both as an ice breaker and self defense

Humility is the first step to understanding?

 

[Simon Templar]

I'm German. My countrymen and -women can usually be seen at the hotel pool at 7 AM, replacing the towels the british put out at 4 AM with their own.

I'm happy to make a joke out of such stereotypes in person. Writing it down makes me nervous, sitting here in my bowler hat, smoking my pipe.
I'm just happy to be part of a world where the perception of difference is getting smaller by the day.
I've had great times in Germany by the way. I had a happy holiday there two years ago on the Bavarian Austrian border staying at a farm and swimming in the lakes. Lovely stuff.

I traveled a lot when I was younger and even then, while stereotypes can help you navigate a foreign society, ultimately I found the same types of people everywhere.
Most of the stereotypes is a simple confirmation bias.

Jokes are always good, though. Both as an ice breaker and self defense.

I lived in Germany for over a year as a student, living as a teacher in a boarding school. The endless stream of German-English gags very much worked as an ice breaker. I'd come down to lunch in the hall and there'd be beach towels on my chair, whatever drink I asked for they'd bring me tea, it was endless but very funny. And,, as you say, ultimately it just gave us endless proof that we're all the same. Happy times. Various current societal developments have us pondering moving back to the continent!

 

[MaxG10]

I lived 3 years in USA and 14 years in Ireland/Donegal, originally from Germany.

A good friend from Ireland asked my over a few pints: "So, how do you feel about the Germans? Do you prefer their way of life?" - We were talking about people attitude, the real Irish being known for well, being very laid back to put it mildly. - So I answered him: " You know, take a piece of charcoal and shove it up a Germans...where the sun doesn't shine... wait 30 minutes.... you get a diamond back that tight-arsed they are."

He looked at me for two seconds with a face hard to find words for, but if I would have said the earth is flat he probably would have looked the same, and then bursted into a long lasting laughter attack.

 

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[Phongsalt]

Once you 've gone more than 3000 ly from the bubble new system discoveries start creeping in. I think FC explorers will discover fewer planets and systems in the end since they are going to have to spend a certain amount of their time mining. Ultimately everyone has to jump and honk, a FC gives advantages certainly but it won't make a big impact on discoveries.

I disagree.Before the change, exploration was always 1:1. Now it's 1:16 x Firepower, something i was never very good at anyway, and gameplay i generally avoid. The game has changed, and new explorers coming to the game will probably take advantage of all the new shinies to 'get there quick' and do their thing. I've nothing against that, the game has evolved to make a 'better' experience for the newer player, but it has rendered the challenges of small ships exploration virtually obsolete,(along with GFSD).

 

[Codger]

Absolutely this - have to be frank, having given it some time, fleet carriers have ruined the game for me. My family knew about my expedition out to Colonia, now it appears that the whole thing was a waste of time.

I'm really sorry to hear this. The FCs have opened up new gameplay for me, and I'm very happy with mine, so it upsets me to find that you are so negatively affected.

Up until now it's been possible to pretend that the galaxy is more empty than it is, because players left little evidence of their activity behind. Now, however, you can clearly see which places are most popular, because there will be carriers there. I expect every populated system in Colonia will have a fair share of carriers, simply because there are so many fewer populated systems there.

Player hotspots like Colonia and Shinrarta and Deciat have always been busy, but now you can clearly see that it's so.

I think it's a good thing, in the end, but I do see the other side as well.

I'm heading out Colonia way now, myself. I started out last night, and I'll be arriving in "my" system in a few days time. That'll put me about 500 LY from Colonia itself, so 10 minutes in a normal exploration ship, or 20 minutes in a carrier (1 jump).

I'm planning to hang around a while, do some exploration around my little base system, and then head back. No set schedule, so I'm flexible.

Simon, if you want to return to the bubble with all your ships, perhaps I can bring you back with me when I return. I'd just need to install a shipyard for the journey, and then you could put all your ships on. I'd be glad to do so, if you like.

 

[Chris Simon]

...if you want to return to the bubble with all your ships, perhaps I can bring you back with me when I return. I'd just need to install a shipyard for the journey, and then you could put all your ships on. I'd be glad to do so, if you like.

This is the kind of stuff I love about the community.

 

[Phongsalt]

Yeah man, it's only been a week. The herds will thin out as they become activated,which could take a few weeks,but they're too expensive to sit in orbit for too long in highly competetive systems.What i like about the game is the challenges it throws up from time to time.Adapt to survive..I still didn't run into one yet, but i am approaching civilization at a moderate clip, so it's only a matter of time.

 

[Codger]

This is the kind of stuff I love about the community.

Helping others has always been a bit difficult in this game, but it just got a lot easier, from taxi services to mining support to tours of interesting things to refueling/rearming, to credit transfer -- none of it requires Open mode or Private Groups any more, and players from all modes can cooperate if they like.

I know I'm beginning to think of more things I could possibly do to help others, and there are a lot of possibilities!

 

[Tyres O'Flaherty]

This is the kind of stuff I love about the community.

We ought to create a private group for us forumites

 

[Phongsalt]

It's kinda cool reading about some of the deployments, even if they do happen far away.

 

[Chris Simon]

We ought to create a private group for us forumites

Heh, why not. You guys are the closest thing to a "friend group" I've ever had.

 

[Tyres O'Flaherty]

I might check it out! No idea what I'm doing or what to call it but it'll be fun finding out

 

[Spaceman Si]

Well I was going to add (until a work call rudely interrupted me) that this thread and the people in it are what I would call "the really nice thread people"

Even where we disagree, it is courteously and considerately It's always a pleasure to come back here!

A private group would be great

 

[Alec Turner]

Absolutely this - have to be frank, having given it some time, fleet carriers have ruined the game for me. My family knew about my expedition out to Colonia, now it appears that the whole thing was a waste of time. There was a guy on FB this morning, half way back from Colonia, didn't fancy the 300 jumps he had left, so was asking someone to come pick him up in a fleet carrier. He's logging back in when they let him know that they're there. Sorry to say it, but as it sits and for my style of gameplay, the 'must have everything now' tranche of society have ruined my favourite ever game and I am incredibly sad about it. Playing more RDR than Elite, suddenly, and might be done entirely. Am actually in mourning.

I really sympathise with this. I must confess I was shocked by just how many carriers there were. I think INARA was listing something like 5000+ (before today's patch which has shuffled things up a bit with it's unique ID change). I really didn't expect that many players to have that many credits. For me, it's not so much the long distance thing (although now you say it I totally get that too) - it's the density within popular systems in the bubble. I know you can filter them out of galaxy map and nav panel but I feel like the system maps of places like Lave, Diso and Shinrarta have been changed forever (and not in a good way, it's like seeing a beauty spot suddenly full of BMW's and Audi's). I did wonder in the beta whether they'd disperse around the galaxy after a while but I really don't believe that's gonna happen now. And actually, it's not even just the system map. Even when you're just flying around you can be looking out of your left window awed by the wonderous view of the cloud formations on a nearby gas giant, and then you look to the right and see targets such as Trumpelstilskin, Fleetwood Smack, I Buy LTDs For A Dollar and Carrier McCarrierFace!

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@Simon Templar (and others) - there is still one place, unlimited in scale, where you can pretty much guarantee not encountering another human soul for months of truly glorious, unspoiled exploration ... take your expedition planetside!

The Planetary Circumnavigation Club

Having just completed my own circumnavigation of a small moon in an SRV I decided to do a little bit of research and have come across enough other people crazy enough to perform this right of passage that I thought I'd create a new thread to celebrate their achievements. If you too have driven...

forums.frontier.co.uk

At least until Odyssey allows people to erect Coca-Cola vending machines all over the place!

 

[Tyres O'Flaherty]

Hmm.

Well, I created a group. It's called "Tyres O'Flaherty" and anyone can join. I thought I'd be able to name the group something suitable but there you go - rushing into things without researching first!

If you do enter it, please don't be offended if I don't answer chats - I'm not normally looking out for them so will more than likely miss them

All welcome. Do as you will - I have no aims for the group other than what you want to do. Come and go as you please and do what you like - it's just a bit of fun you can opt in or out of as you like.

Incidentally, I was running low on some materials so had to go to Dav's. This happened:

Truly stuck no matter what. Quit the game and it had shifted slightly, allowing me to jump boost up, turn over a few times, fracture the trans-axel, warp the sub frame and dent the furry dice before landing upright again.