What Happend to the Dream?

verminstar

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Agreed and repped op...should be an achievement getting through walls of text, but get through it I did. Thing is, I dont use this forum much anymore and just breeze through every other day in the hope, the ever decreasing hope that things might improve. From what I can see, its not flooding me with optimism but the time has long since passed where that realization is a surprise revelation to me...Ive felt like this fer some time. But yer valiant effort is worth a few minutes to type an answer...an entertaining read which I agree with.

Ive never understood why they never allowed clans and guilds and corporations...seems to me they shot themselves in the foot if they wanted a multiplayer game because true multiplayer games are made the success they are by clans and guilds and corporations. Its been this way in gaming since the days of quake and unreal tournament, though I understand frontier like to do things differently. I dont agree with frontier but its their game, their rules and their mistake to learn the hard way.

And thats why when I played, I did so as a wholly single player game from solo mode...I simply dont see the multiplayer aspect of this game as being worth the effort. Their choice of using P2P architecture doesnt exactly help matters either but as before...their game, their rules and their mistake to learn. By all means works fer some...but not fer me. Too many years playing eve perhaps and while Im done with that game years ago now, the one aspect I miss the most was belonging to something bigger than me. They had all the corps and guilds and fer 7 years, I role played the hell outta that game. Im also not an eve fanboi but I do know what worked and what doesnt work and frontiers individual approach to multiplayer is just laughable tbh.

As a single player game however, it stands head and shoulders above just about everything, despite some obvious flaws and inane design directions like the engineers and powerplay. And yet as a single player game, it is one the best Ive ever seen...kudos to frontier fer that if nothing else.

Thing is however that single player games have a short shelf life unless new content is added regularly, and thats where problems start to arise as we all know.

Anyway...my interest and enthusiasm are at an all time low nowadays. Haunting the forums fer that little snip of information that might entice me back...sadly nothing yet on that front. Not sure what they doing with their thargoid storyline, but whatever it is aint floating my boat one little bit...morbid curiosity more than interest now Im afraid.

Good luck trying to change attitudes and minds on this forum...without reading the replies, Im guessing the anti clan/guild players have made their presence felt. As inevitable as my morning movements on the white throne. Tragically, Im fairly certain I could guess their names too...its the same posters every single time.

Another battlefield another time op...Im all but done here ^
 
I actually read your text, and as an old school boy I completed all of it, NOW give me my prize!! :D

Well joke aside, it makes sense, and I agree with most of it, ED is a great game, and then there are all these irritating little things that in the end, makes you take long breaks from the game.
 
The 60 seconds number is yours, although to be fair you did say 1-2 minutes so it's the lowest end of that range. The post is exactly 2500 words long including the title, I checked.

I'm impressed by your reading speed - the average adult reads at 300 words per minute and the average college professor reads at 675 words per minute according to this article:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brettn...ad-fast-enough-to-be-successful/#663771d3462e

So good for you, but don't expect everyone to be able read that quickly.

Thus, reading this guy's opinion piece would take approximately 8 minutes....

8 Minutes? Are you kidding me? Next you'll be wanting me to go to the library! What the hell is wrong with you!?! Gotta look this up on YouTube now....

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I'll do neither, thanks. Summaries allow me to decide whether the rest of the text is worth reading. I won't watch any video unless I know what it is meant to show, so won't waste my time there, either.

And yes, it's a wall.

EDIT: And as it seems that the OP hasn't even revisited this thread, I'm going to put it down as a rant. ;) No, still haven't read it.

Sigh... Troll reply
 
Thus, reading this guy's opinion piece would take approximately 8 minutes....

8 Minutes? Are you kidding me? Next you'll be wanting me to go to the library! What the hell is wrong with you!?! Gotta look this up on YouTube now....


Where did I say that was too long to spend reading something? I did read the OP, and I never said TL;DR. I was just questioning the idea that most people could read it in 1-2 minutes, as I'd spent significantly longer than that reading the post.

If you're this worried about how you're spending your time, what are you doing on a forum about a video game in the first place?

I think you missed the sarcasm in the post you're quoting. Or maybe you didn't. Either way, I agree with you.
 
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..................check out the original use of the word, by the Romans. (Or was it the Greeks...can't remember...) ................

As mentioned already it was an open place which functioned as a market as well as a gathering place. The Classical Greek version was the Agora - a "meeting place" (which also acted as a market place).
 

Jex =TE=

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I've all but given up on season 2. I have little/no hope 2.4 will offer any gameplay/mechanics of any note/worth. ie: I cannot see the ethos that gave us the rest of season suddenly doing a massive change of direction for 2.4.

So 2.5--> V3 is where my hope lies. If that doesn't show some actual commitment to more involved and impressive mechanics and gameplay, then I think that's my hope all spent!

You along with a ton of other people I think. After the major let down Horizons turned out to be, I think a lot of people are giving FDev one last chance to pull something we actually want out the bag. If it's not good, ED could have lived and died in the time it took SC to get made. They should have released the game at least a year later.

More backbone is needed, IMHO.

Frontier: We did something.
Players: Treachery!
Frontier: Suck it up, buttercups.
Players: ... er .. *unsure how to proceed further after realising Frontier are serious and they aren't going to get what they anymore*

And sales drop...
 
You along with a ton of other people I think. After the major let down Horizons turned out to be, I think a lot of people are giving FDev one last chance to pull something we actually want out the bag. If it's not good, ED could have lived and died in the time it took SC to get made. They should have released the game at least a year later.
I know some more hardcore backers left even before Horizons, or soon after, getting the notion ED wasn't going to deliver the more solid simulation gameplay depth they'd envisaged. So far they've remained right...
 
I said it because I don't want to see clans and guilds in the game.

This is a forum for discussion and I am putting my point of view across. Or am I not allowed to have one on the forum?

Why is that shameful?

your purposeful putting down his idea so there is no discussion about it thats whats shameful,every major online game has some sort of clan or group system ,it helps with longevity of a games community
 
A public square used primarily for the vending of goods?

Ugh...

"In addition to its standard function as a marketplace, a forum was a gathering place of great social significance, and often the scene of diverse activities, including political discussions and debates..."

Hence why the word Forum was used to describe the idea of a place to exchange and discuss topics.
 
What is it with these walls of text?!

I'm sorry, but personally when faced with a wall of text like this and no summary I'm not going to bother reading it as most of these things are just a rant (and I won't get that time back :) ). I've no idea if yours is. Maybe you could summarise?

But at least he top posted the tl:dr

So +1 to OP
 
Ugh...

"In addition to its standard function as a marketplace, a forum was a gathering place of great social significance, and often the scene of diverse activities, including political discussions and debates..."

Hence why the word Forum was used to describe the idea of a place to exchange and discuss topics.

Indeed. So the Roman definition is "a marketplace that doubles as a place to debate and exchange ideas", and the modern definition is "a place to debate and exchange ideas". So why exactly did you recommend that people look up the original Roman meaning of the word, as opposed to the modern definition? What did you expect them to learn from that?
 
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If I actually would care about what every other major online game has I *would* play at least one of these, but in fact I don't and that's for a reason. They more or less all copy basic elements from one and the same original template and wrap that into different looking packages. EVE might be one of the last unique great MMOs. Unfortunately I don't like this game either for different reasons. My wholehearted thanks towards FD for at least trying to create something new and unique. This certainly doesn't include grindy progression mechanics, which are as prosaic as possible.

It's wherever I see them making moves towards the mainstream audience what makes my stomach churning.

its a bit of a hipster approach ,basic group functions are all the same because the work ,the user base if familial and has an easy time adjusting
 
I could imagine that "tl;dr" statements on a marketplace would be a pretty funny idea.. :p
tl;dr is a modern phenomenon which I doubt had much impact on human conversation and general understanding.



"Hipster approach", what does it mean? Is it a bad thing? Is having an opinion a bad thing? Or do I really need to end every single sentence with "IMHO"? And if I don't, am I a hipster then? :D

you where insinuating that ED was cooler before/if they added the group clan stuff and its a little un-objective to say adding "mainstream" stuff to the game would be off putting
 
My answer to the thread title... I'm living the dream right now. (Well, not right now obviously as I'm posting on the forum instead). Bill Turner wants me to be friendly with the Alliance, so I've buzzed over to Lave and I'm doing planetary scans and data deliveries in my Cobra III. It's everything I would have wanted the game to be back in the 80s, when I had to imagine what colour my ship was and what the interior of a Coriolis station was like.

Also docked at Lave is the Anaconda I arrived in and the Asp for occasional passenger missions, but I summoned the Cobra because it was the right ship for flying around Lave.

When I leave here I'll take some Lavian brandy home.
 
your purposeful putting down his idea so there is no discussion about it thats whats shameful,every major online game has some sort of clan or group system ,it helps with longevity of a games community

Yes, because I don't want to see it in the game. What part of that do you not understand. It was his dream not mine. I don't give a knats what other major online games have. There is no discussion to have. I don't want to see it in-game. Simple as that. I have stated why as well.

I am happy to talk about expanded factions and stuff like that. But sorry, it will be a massive no to clans and in-game clan owned assets which they have control over. The new megaship for the player factions are fine for me too as they have very limited control over it. I also have no issues with private commander bases on planets and stuff like that. I am happy to discuss these as well.

One of the things I like about this game is that it did something different to all the others out there, the fact that it doesn't have these huge clans and coporations and massive ownership. This game has a different community to those kinds of games and seems to be doing just fine.

There is nothing shameful in what I said. Shameful means: worthy of or causing shame or disgrace. So it is a disgrace for me to disagree with the original poster. I have to be a yes man to be not disgraceful.
 
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