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What's with all the guys using female avatars?
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Your understanding is outdated.Hehe!
I had heard about hermaphrodites, but i never heard about gender neutral mammals. barbie and kent dolls not included... They are missing some really important parts and without it, they are just man, and woman like but neither...
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'Sexual dysphoria', as referenced by the poster you replied to, is not a term I've heard of. 'Gender dysphoria', on the other hand, is the medical term describing a mismatch or conflict between the gender that's assigned to someone at birth based on their apparent physical sexual characteristics (as in, "It's a boy!" or "It's a girl!"), and the gender they feel they should have been assigned based on their own 'brain sex' - their psychological sense of their own sexual makeup. Gender dysphoria is also sometimes referred to as 'gender incongruence'.
Hermaphroditism - more properly referred to as 'intersex' in reference to humans - is not the same thing as gender dysphoria, though there can be overlap for fairly obvious reasons. A person who is born with some trace of both male and female sexual organs is referred to as intersex (hermaphroditism being an old term drawn from the names of the Greek gods Hermes and Aphrodite), and it's been common practice for a long time for medical staff to take it on themselves to 'correct' the 'error' before the child is old enough to make the decision for themselves, because until recently society has only had a binary understanding of gender. If the child's 'brain sex' doesn't align with the decision, and corresponding 'correction', made by medical staff then the child may well grow up experiencing gender dysphoria.
Intersex people are not necessarily missing any parts, but in fact have more than is conventionally expected.
As for gender-neutral mammals - by which I'm assuming you mean non-human mammals - since gender is a human social structure it's meaningless to try to apply our understanding of it to them. In the sense that our gender models simply don't apply to them, it could be said that all animals are gender-neutral.
Additionally, since humans are humans and non-humans are not the same, it's meaningless to judge almost any human behavioural trait by reference to other species. Many anti-LGBT campaigners claim that since animals do not exhibit homosexual or bisexual behaviours then it's not natural for humans to do so. (This ignores the fact that animals certainly do exhibit such behaviours, as well as asexual behaviour.)
Bottlenose dolphins. Definitely not gender neutral.
Good, informative post nonetheless.
Hm, I'm sorry. I mostly wanted to defend you on the 'simple'/'complex' front, while acknowledging that something in what you said did come off like it could be a... ack, now I see why people end up saying 'problematic' a lot.
There's something going on with the Stuffed into the Fridge trope, about how guys have a habit of writing female characters who are put through hell in the same sentence they're considered sexually. I shouldn't really have laid so much of that at your feet, but I wanted to defend you while also suggesting why that other user might've felt something a bit squick about what you said.
My apologies if I gave that impression. In that case my wording was careless.
No, I would say you're a man if that's what you are. For transgender people - those with gender dysphoria - it's not about what they 'think' or 'believe'. It's about what they are, just as it is for you. But in their case, what they are isn't what society has deemed them to be, generally based on the presence of certain physical sexual features.
Minonian
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Actually? I almost posted a captain oblivious meme, and only good manners stopped me. (you don't kick in the other if he don't give a pretty good reason to it.) NP with the post, but to be honest? The ability to recognize humor before you post something like this as response? Comes handy.
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Than we are agree in there.You can think whatever you like, as far that thingy between your legs are macing with it. If not? How i say this? You can't think you are a woman if nature not agree with you, if you do so? Well... In the other hand? If you want to be a woman, or your sexual appetite? Well... touchy subject but i have no problem with it. Gender neutrality as (political / social) concept?
Don't get me started!
Edit; overall? It does not matter what you think what you or the world are, what's given is given. The world does not turns into a disk just because you are a flattard, and neither your gender going to change because you think you something else...
"Eppur si muove"
-Galileo Galilei.
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which they absolutely are, just like men. we are sexual animals, didn't you hear?
it's a matter of context and proportion. both are much more than that. e.g. we have a marketing industry promoting systematically one side of the stereotype because there is ancestral sexual discrimination going on in our civilization which we're having a very hard time to overcome. it's a real problem. but my choice of avatar in my own game and my reasons are my business, you are blowing this out of proportion and this kind of political correctness zeal doesn't help the cause a bit.
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Only we unlike feminists does not making a problem out of it, because unlike them we think and know sexuality, is natural.
Nature, unfortunately, is the problem. Since nature creates a psychological self-image not consistent with the physical characteristics.
Natural evolution is a hit-and-miss process that invariably results in imperfection.
You're right, it doesn't. And that's why transgender people have to go through so much in order to make the changes that nature, in all its imperfection, isn't going to make for them.
In any case, my intention here was to offer advice on a misuse of terminology. A full discussion of sex and gender and social attitudes to both is probably of limited relevance to the forum. By all means send me a PM if you'd like to discuss it further.
What does their plumbing matter? It is a game about being a ship's pilot.
They could be a brain in a a box for all you know.
But that's the problem: what he said was sick, whatever your interpretation of his intention. If I said something racist I would expect to be pulled on it, not glossed over because you want to spare my feelings.
Anyone who thinks that objectification does not demean that person needs therapy. He either needs to learn the right language for what he wants to get across or not talk at all. And this was the issue at hand at that point in the discussion: boys having a girl on their bridge to fantasise over.
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<-- not making a problem out of it
The definition of 'objectify' has got a bit unclear. znôrt's last post is totally feminist friendly. The feminist problem with objectification is when it has Nerwan's quoted "more broadly" meaning: "treating a person as a commodity or an object without regard to their personality or dignity."
But "treating a person as an instrument of sexual pleasure"? Good god that's normal. Many a het female feminist has looked at a guy's hand and seen an instrument of sexual pleasure.
Lord are you lot still on this
Sorry-not-sorry, but if your choice of avatar is based out of a desire to extract actual sexual gratification out of character models in a PEGI7 computer game, then really you need to just keep that private and stop embarrassing yourself by telling the world about what gives you kicks.
No one wants to hear about how much you like the butt-shaped-pixels dude. Mybad if that makes me "PC" haha.
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This thread is definitely off-topic enough that a moderator would be well within their right to close it, but:
1. Gender theory is a pretty important/interesting topic (important full stop, interesting for a lot of people);
2. This is actually a surprisingly civil discussion of it, for the Internet. It's way better than talking about docking computers. : )
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well can't you all call each other gay without it being connected to the game
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Yeah... except if you take account some of the nuttier fringe feminists. About them? When the hunting season starts?
Hey @Bullseye, you're really short!
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