The fact that it's open to misunderstanding (and I am someone who usually tries to see the benign side) means it was poorly considered. I still get the idea that the message says 'yeh, nah, we don't like you guys, so get stuffed'. Isn't that the 'tone' you get from that message?
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The fact that it's open to misunderstanding (and I am someone who usually tries to see the benign side) means it was poorly considered. I still get the idea that the message says 'yeh, nah, we don't like you guys, so get stuffed'. Isn't that the 'tone' you get from that message?
Fun is subjective. For people posting such posts fun is only other people suffering. More suffering the better. If someone does not give in to salt, then additional humiliation is done via meta game and messaging.
Please stop selling that game is here to blame. Theres no such game which palates such crowd. They aren't here for game or other players.
Biggest problem with vocal PvP players that they aren't here to play game, they are here to play other players. And that is kinda turn off for any dev, or gamer for that matter.
It has been said many times 'it is not that kind of game' and it still fits right with ED description. Either choose to roll into RP in-game PvP, or find ED lacking 'emergent gameplay' and find something else to do.
It is one sentiment that will always be alien to me. I do not get the humour for instance in going all the way to Beagle Point and call a fuel animal just to shoot it down.
In what way is the game responsible for that?
Having said that, using someone who acts like that as a representative of the PvP crowd is just as ballcocks. On the other hand, if upon hearing this news you read people giving this sorry excuse for a CDMR kudos, you can judge those people for their reactions of course.
One person's fun is another's suffering, that's the whole point. You can't blame someone playing a video game, he KNOWS he's not really 'hurting' the person he attacks, he might make them angry, and ragey, but that's their problem, they played a game in OPEN, and got killed, because FD allows that.
Biggest problem with vocal PvE players is that if they can't play the armchair psychologist card, their arguments are generally substantiated with nothing.
You know very well my feelings on that, as an action, I don't condone it, BUT you have to put yourself in the shoes of others. That was no doubt hilarious to some, and they are completely entitled to say "this is fine, because it's allowed, I enjoyed it, for me it was fun, and that's why I bought the game for that kind of fun".
I don't agree with it, but I WON'T blame them for playing the game any way they want inside the rules put down by FD. You can say what you like about players being the problem, but you will ALWAYS be wrong. That's why we have laws in real life and consequences. If there were no consequences (as there aren't in ED), then it would be anarchy on the streets and you know this, so you can't blame a human for acting like a human. You have to blame the lawmakers for not enforcing their vision. Considering that there are still loads of real life criminals and evil people, you would surely expect MORE of that in a 'game' where killing someone doesn't actually 'kill' them in reality, it's totally natural that perfectly good and ewell adjusted people might want to act out a couple of evil fantasies in a game like Elite, and they should be able to.
How YOU as an intelligent person can find this an alien sentiment boggles MY mind. What's difficult for people to grasp that when you hit 'Open' you 'open' yourself up to 'open' season.
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You aren't wrong often, but you are here mate, honestly. I prepare in solo and fight in open. It;s that simple. People can say that No Man's Sky is a burger restaurant simulator, but that don't make it one, the installation of burgers, tables, seats and customers is what makes it one.
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Well that sounds utterly dreadful. I would like to get into PvP at some point but jeez is that off-putting. "50% salt", "discord PvP", ugh.
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When a game doesn't provide me with the fun i'm expecting from it, i stop playing it instead of ruining it for others.
The game may have issues concerning PvP features, but toxic behaviours within the pvp community are a reality that people need to stop giving a blind eye to.
Killing a trader doing a CG is fine, killing him and posting it on youtube to mine salt is not. Not mentioning the fact that each time a new Alien POI is discovered, many gank squads will go there and massacre explorers while streaming it / recording it.
Do we need to say anything more about toxicity now ?
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Not sure about the salt farmers/farming, that happens daily somewhere in our community.
A more refined reply: Yes, we read threads in nearly all of the Elite forums. No, we (the CM team) cannot reply to all of the threads that we read. Be it we have nothing to state on the matter, or it's content being worked on - which may change or never see the light of day. We don't want to state something, and that something may change over time to something that may not be what was stated originally. The other hand, if a thread is an organic discussion with good debate that ends up spinning off ideas and other tree'd-out scenarios - we tend to observe rather inject/reply.
That's great for you, but you don't really expect everyone to behave like you, do you? As for toxicity, if you make a vat and mark it 'Acceptable for toxic waste' and someone puts toxic waste in it, what are you going to tell them? They did wrong?
Be careful what you say to me, I'm not 'these people' AT ALL, I'm a white knight in every game I ever played, BUT, I won't pretend that I live in a world where people are sensible and don't have evil intentions. What;s more I will SUPPORT anyone's desire to exercise their evil intentions in a video game as opposed to in real life.
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I feel sorry for those people.
And by the way, I don't see those people putting themselves in the shoes of the one they are ganking, so they don't deserve my empathy.
The sentiment I am talking about is: omg, this guy flew all the way up there and was shot down, this equals LoL.
Didn't mention Open.
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Not sure about the salt farmers/farming, that happens daily somewhere in our community.
A more refined reply: Yes, we read threads in nearly all of the Elite forums. No, we (the CM team) cannot reply to all of the threads that we read. Be it we have nothing to state on the matter, or it's content being worked on - which may change or never see the light of day. We don't want to state something, and that something may change over time to something that may not be what was stated originally. The other hand, if a thread is an organic discussion with good debate that ends up spinning off ideas and other tree'd-out scenarios - we tend to observe rather inject/reply.
Thanks for the explanation Brett, I'm glad you refined it, cos I did get a VERY funny vibe from that first message. /thumbsup
You're right and I shouldn't have either. I too feel sorry for those people but to try to pretend they don't (sic: shouldn't) exist or suggesting that the fact they do exist is THEIR problem (rather than the game's) seems rather pie in the sky, that's all.
I expect people to show some fracking respect to other people, is it really raising my standards too high ?
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This is the internet- thats never going to happen ever.
Ah, my life's goal, to get everyone to assume the best in others instead of the worst. Ut;s a laudible goal, just not realistic. P.S. I made an edit above, very relevant, about the toxic waste.
Don't get me wrong, morally, I'm with you, but practically, expecting people to behave appropriately with no incentive or consequence for doing/not doing so, is just laughable.
Nobody deserves/doesn't deserve empathy, it's something you have for certain types of people and something you don't have for other types of people, based on your experiences, moral bent, etc. You don't need empathy to realise that there will be buttplugs everywhere you go and the onus is on the system to curb their behaviour because they think their behaviour is perfectly acceptable (and as long as the system supports this, they are right!)
Quite.
At the moment, the fault lies not with those who present the worst in toxic behaviour to the game. The fault lies with Frontier, for producing a game in which the entire play area amounts to a zero consequence world for those who indulge in the toxic behaviour.
It is very much our problem. And I don't see how the game can prevent these mugwais from existing. In the Beagle Point case, the system is an anarchy. How should the game prevent that?
Another case in point is infiltrating Private PvE groups. Now in that case I feel Frontier should grow some balls and declare that if you're going to break the PvE rule in such a group, you get shadow banned for a year. But no, you get a "get out of jail for free you pillock"-card. People even created second accounts to behave like this.
Then don't ask me to put myself in their shoes
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