Yeah, out of these I'm gonna go with this roster as what I think is most likely:
1. Black Howler Monkey
2. Spectacled Bear
3. Ocelot
4. South American Coati
5. Greater Rhea
6. Patagonian Mara
7. Bush Dog
WE. Linnaeus's Two-Toed Sloth
Winter 2023 DLC Speculation
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1. Black Howler Monkey
2. Spectacled Bear
3. Ocelot
4. South American Coati
5. Greater Rhea
6. Patagonian Mara
7. Bush Dog
WE. Linnaeus's Two-Toed Sloth
Yeah when talking wildlife I dont use the 7 continent model especially for europe but the americas are 100% distinct continents as they do form major divide in plant and animal communities since in geological time their connection is only recent the best continental model for talking about animal distribution is oceania which is australia the pacific islands and parts of indonesia and new guinea, eurasia, north america, south america, india and southeast asia, antartica, africa but this is just one model among many.
I know for a fact the porcupine is considered european so how did you base the animal distributions. Also yeah my guess is the winter pack will be a asia pack with a heavy bias towards alpine animals because that is what the game needs.
If we stop they stop if the community loses hope frontier will have no incentive to continue thinking there is no one left to buy things.Can I just say that I really admire the enthusiasm and optimism of everybody in this thread? I keep waffling between optimism and pessimism about the future of the game so I've been posting less... But man, is it awesome seeing you all assuming we'll be getting support and DLC for at least another full year! (I mean this sincerely and unironically.)
Meanwhile I'm just sitting in a corner crying at the lack of tree kangaroo speculation assuming it's never coming.
It will mean literally nothing for the game I doubt frontier would even update it to specify which peccary which is a similar situation to the giraffe. Taxonomy changes so much and so often that it is likely that in 5-10 years many of the animals ingame will have they wrong names or be vague like what happened with the past 3 zoo tycoon games.
yes except the fact that we are apparently getting 9 animals in a pack now
We are one embrace itI dont know if its just me, but it feels too cult-like using layouts like these
I have yet to see one of these legendary pallas cat memes yet
yeah they really backed themselves into a corner with walkthroughs because besides reskins of what we already got I can see 1-2 animal types that arent birds that could use them. I do also think birds were the original attention but I dont think the bat did as good as they wanted to greenlight continuing with the birds idea.I do think that much of current letdown in birds is how last year they introduced bats and everyone naturally expected birds next, just to be met with stuff that while not bad... it was not birds. We got butterflies, great! Sloths, great too! The viper tho... and lastly, while not a bad addition, a lot of people were disappointed with the flying fox because they expected lorikeets. Honestly it is understandable, and I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow decide to add a giant salamander in a mountains pack, but there isn't really anything left that is not birds when it comes to walkthrough exhibits so out of sheer force I am still hopeful we will get them soon!
also SWANS AND RABBITS FOR PLANET ZOO PLEASUH
I wanna see the giant salamander but not as an exhibit animal since they can get to be over a 1m in length in would be great to have as a unique habitat amphibian and wouldn't even be the smallest habitat animal we have.
Im all for rabbits could care less about swans wouldnt be upset if they got added though would just be weird without flying.
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You know, I think Highlands and Latin America could be equally likely animal packs for the Winter DLC, either way, they would grant us some good animals
U know how much money I would pay for such a perfect dlc?!
The 10 for africa unironically just makes me ask why
Imagine that attention would have gone to south america instead, complete headscratcher
on the topic of animal counts and distribution I would like to share some percentage distributions based on habitat animals with each tag in the vegetation selector
continent
biome
this list doesnt take into account combinations of biomes or continents but can still be used to see trends such as the ridiculous amount of african animals making up just under a third of all animals same with asia
I didnt include exhibit animals in here since for many continents the number of animals is very small like less than 20 so 3 spiders from an underrepresented continent would heavily skew the percentages even though they do not have the same usability of a habitat animal.
continent
- 31.3% africa
- 28.2% asia
- 14.1% north america
- 9.2% south america
- 8.6% oceania
- 8.6% europe
biome
- 25.7% grasslands
- 20.8% tropical
- 17.7% temperate
- 10.8% taiga
- 10.4% desert
- 9.7% aquatic
- 4.9% tundra
this list doesnt take into account combinations of biomes or continents but can still be used to see trends such as the ridiculous amount of african animals making up just under a third of all animals same with asia
I didnt include exhibit animals in here since for many continents the number of animals is very small like less than 20 so 3 spiders from an underrepresented continent would heavily skew the percentages even though they do not have the same usability of a habitat animal.
That's actually pretty close to real life zoos though, generally african and asian animals make up the bulk of entire animal collections.
Yeah if Latin America came with macaws, it would be fantastic, whatever it cost, I would get it
The fact that Africa has so many mammals in game already, and the idea of some kind of Safari pack focusing on Africa is slowing catching some traction, just goes to show just how important Africa is to zoo rosters.
I realize after the Arid pack I even made a thread about not needing any more African mammals, but yet here I am asking for another African based pack next year. But at the same time, looking over my wishlist, Africa is still the continent that has the second most mammals I want - behind South America of course.
It almost feels like we can never get enough African animals, but in context to your point, I would gladly trade out some for more South American animals. To say nothing of Europe, North America, Asia and Oceania being even more willing to get no more mammals for (the Wolverine and Wild Boar aside).
Does africa have alot to give? Yes
Is giving africa the most animals this year a crime when everywhere else needs them more? Also yes
Of those 10 animals, tell me with a straight face that you wouldnt have traded in half for literally anything else. We didnt need 6 more ungulates and a cat, the fossa, porcupine and 2 of the ungulates would have been plenty.
Imagine what these 4-6 animals could have done for south america if you just swapped tropical and arid around and cutted 3 ungulates from arid for 3 south american animals.
I think its hard to discuss the amount of animals we got in a year. I mean i a vaccum yeah its kinda weird to get so little SA and so much africa. But ones has to consider that frontier most likely plans ahead.
Who knows maybe they knew while doing the tropical pack that there is gonna be a SA pack later down the line. Wouldnt be surprised
Who knows maybe they knew while doing the tropical pack that there is gonna be a SA pack later down the line. Wouldnt be surprised
Fair point but doesnt make the decisions less questionable in the short term
Sure the roster could’ve been done better had they swap some African animals for other animals from different continents, but we get what we get and it’s not like they’re useless.
Hoofstock make up a lot of zoo collections. I remember watching one of Cesar Creates zoo tours and it had so many ungulates it was unreal. The Somali, Addax and Camel imo were all worth inclusions as they are pretty common in zoos. The gazelle and rhino yeah for me they don’t do much but they still can be used as fillers in Africa sections.
Why people want more Africa, I think it’s just because Africa has a lot of unique animals left to give. Not saying SA doesn’t, but Africa does too. Secretary bird, Baboon, Aoudad, Mongooses, Honey Badger, Shoebill, Mantled Gueneza, etc. are all very unique compared to our current Africa roster.
Hoofstock make up a lot of zoo collections. I remember watching one of Cesar Creates zoo tours and it had so many ungulates it was unreal. The Somali, Addax and Camel imo were all worth inclusions as they are pretty common in zoos. The gazelle and rhino yeah for me they don’t do much but they still can be used as fillers in Africa sections.
Why people want more Africa, I think it’s just because Africa has a lot of unique animals left to give. Not saying SA doesn’t, but Africa does too. Secretary bird, Baboon, Aoudad, Mongooses, Honey Badger, Shoebill, Mantled Gueneza, etc. are all very unique compared to our current Africa roster.
What puzzles me is that frontier probably gives us African animals because they know African sections in zoos make up a large chunk of zoos, but so does Asia, and we’ve only gotten like 2 species this year. Which is why I’m really leaning towards a Highlands pack masked as a Eurasia pack with a Baboon thrown in there for the winter.
Still my prediction
Actually I’m quite fond of that pack too. While I think the salamander would be cool as a large habitat animal, considering they may not move much (and anacondas and iguanas are also exhibit animals) I think they have no place but as an exhibit animal. Gelada for a monkey, 2 animals from Carnivora, marmot for a rodent, 2 caprines, 1 bird, and 1 amphibian. Would be a pretty diverse pack.
I’d pick Gelada, swap the marmot for the hyrax, and put the Wolverine in place of the pheasant and I’m good. Although I won’t be mad if we get a bird instead of a hyrax.
I pretty much made my feelings known about the ungulate heaviness of the Arid pack. And I feel I've been pretty clear that I feel South America needs more animals than anywhere else. So of course I would have cut out some of the African Animals for more South American animals. Just making the point that despite its large representation, Africa is still very much in play with species people want. They aren't necessary for me, but I realize they are for some. More South American animals, especially primates, are what I consider necessary.
As much as I do want more African animals, but I also don't "need" more, at least as far as mammals go. Barring the Wolverine and the Wild Boar, for two different reasons, I'd actually be alright if every single mammal we got from here on out was from Central or South America. Yup, would eve drop the Tree Kangaroo.
Almost all of Africa's missing animals are birds or monkeys. As I've said, you could extremely easily make a full African animal pack consisting solely of animals that aren't carnivores or ungulates that are either heavily-requested, very common in zoos, or both. Pick seven of:
Secretary bird
Shoebill
Grey crowned crane
Marabou stork
Southern ground hornbill
Helmeted guineafowl
Egyptian goose
Nile crocodile
Sulcata tortoise
Hamadryas baboon
Mantled guereza
De Brazza's monkey
Diana monkey
Rock hyrax
Secretary bird
Shoebill
Grey crowned crane
Marabou stork
Southern ground hornbill
Helmeted guineafowl
Egyptian goose
Nile crocodile
Sulcata tortoise
Hamadryas baboon
Mantled guereza
De Brazza's monkey
Diana monkey
Rock hyrax
I took some, but added 2 more that could easily be done:
- Helmeted guineafowl
- Shoebill
- Grey-crowned crane
- African spurred tortoise
- African dwarf crocodile
- Hamadryas baboon
- Mantled guereza