That's a very cool image. How are you creating these images and alignments? are the stars shown (and your other posts) correct to the galmap locations?

If you had, say, 6 systems, could you draw lines between them and see where they cross over and relate that to the Galmap. like this:

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Yes - one can.

It’s accurate and simple X;Y;Z plotting - I use a combination of in-game coordinates from gal-map and those obtained from EDDB. I utilise a very simple 3D CAD tool on Iphone, so I can build on the go, stars are indexed in an Excel document.

That rather pretty diagram of yours is exactly how I imagined the logo as well. Excellent.
 
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Yes - one can.

It’s simple X;Y;Z plotting - I use a combination of in-game coordinates from gal-map and those obtained from EDDB. I utilise a very simple 3D CAD tool on Iphone, so I can build on the go, stars are indexed in an Excel document.

That rather pretty ‘stupid waffle’ diagram is exactly how I imagined the logo as well.
Thanks! Good to know :)

You and Edelgard von Rhein gave me the idea of it being a 2d representation of a 3d shape.

I think the codex and possibly other clues give us 6 locations. It fits with something being in game since day 1. The clues all point to systems in galmap, we identify which 6, draw lines between them, see where they cross.

Just need 6 system names basically. Working on that atm but i suspect they've all been identified in this thread
 
I'm going to rerun the Yggdrasil race I mentioned above, with a Thargoid Sensor and Thargoid Probe and after visiting Bifrost touch down at Donar's Oak before activating the Thargoid Structure nearby. Currently I have two Thargoid Sensors but need a bit of luck to find a Thargoid Probe; am searching NHSS Threat 4 out in the Pleiades.
It would be ironic if a Buckyball Racing Club event from 3303 was part way to solving the mystery! The course can be run in either direction and I intend to take the route below, docking at the stations as in the race:
Jotunheim, Big Harry's Monkey Hangout
Vanir, McClintock Dock
Niflheimri, Roentgen Settlement
Nidanga, Blodgett Colony
Muspelheim
Midgard, Rontgen Port
Hel, Jones Orbital
Asgaa, Wheeler Horizons
Alfheim
Bifrost, Godwin Hangar

I might have to be careful if the Thargoid Probe is marked as stolen but then it will be a bit like The Black Riband, an old standing challenge that involved smuggling rare (and illegal) goods through a set of waypoints around the Bubble!
 
It would be ironic if a Buckyball Racing Club event from 3303 was part way to solving the mystery!
Ha - yes come to think of it that would be a logical conclusion for that whole - someone went through the system idea.

One of my never-realised concepts was to retrace the Yggdrasil systems as they are portrayed in various prose, logically it ought to fit some narrative procedure, I never got around to it.

Systems I located were: Jormungand; Skuld; Veroandi; Uror; Uroarbrunnr; Utgard; Jotunheim; Midgard; Muspelheim; Niflheim; Alfheim; Urd; Jotnar; Helheim; Hel; Utgaroar; Niflhel; Ratatosk; Vanir; Bifrost; Nithhogg and Nastrond (a permit system).

Then the Nordic Runes - Ansuz; Fehu; Haglaz; Dagaz; Ehwaz; Laguz; Wunjô; Algiz; Ingwaz; Gebo; Tyr; and Jera.
 
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Hey just sharing a change in the Permit locked Systems.
the Systems below have been Permit locked in the past. The System Description said something (can't fully remember) due to security concerns this system has been permit locked by the (i think it was) Pilots Federation. not sure anymore.

Today i saw that 3 of them do no longer need a Permit and there is no longer a Description about the Permit (Only that a Permit is Required for this Location)
Just noticed it because i was getting the Peregrina Permit and saw that i had the HIP 22460 Permit that i don't recall obtaining, so i investigated.
  • PLAA AIN HA-Z D46 (still needs permit)
  • PRIA EURL RW-X B1-1 (permit dropped?)
  • PRO EUR IG-Y D132 (permit dropped?)
  • SCHEAU BLI NB-O D6-1409 (still needs permit)
  • HYPIO BLUAE RL-H C12-2163 (permit dropped?)
  • TEPUAE AA-A H488 (still needs permit)
maybe it's relevant for some in here i don't know. Any chance anyone knows when this changed? I have not checked on those systems in the last 12 month.

First I'm hearing that there were six. I was only aware of three with the "security permit", which are coincidentally the three that still require permits in your list. Googling the others comes up with a blank except for your own message. Are there any screenshots or details on when these were locked?
 
First I'm hearing that there were six. I was only aware of three with the "security permit", which are coincidentally the three that still require permits in your list. Googling the others comes up with a blank except for your own message. Are there any screenshots or details on when these were locked?
it was a reddit post in summer 2021 whit a list of a bunch of permits. ppl ignored it saying that it's already on the wiki. i checked the list against wiki and these systems where not listed. so i bookmarked them as Security 0 - 5. the post was then deleted for some reason. I am sure they were permit locked. and had all the same description. I remember going to PRO EUR IG-Y D132 trying to find anything around that could give the permit
 
Except they still don’t actually sell drinks!!!! Argh!

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That's a very cool image. How are you creating these images and alignments? are the stars shown (and your other posts) correct to the galmap locations?

If you had, say, 6 systems, could you draw lines between them and see where they cross over and relate that to the Galmap. like this:

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Though along such lines, too.
But, knowing Fdev, that would probably be too easy.
We should expect some grind, like star coordinates forming a set of equations.
My personal favorite is "spiraling stars" as a coordinate transformation with a rotating/scaling matrix.
 
Though along such lines, too.
But, knowing Fdev, that would probably be too easy.
We should expect some grind, like star coordinates forming a set of equations.
My personal favorite is "spiraling stars" as a coordinate transformation with a rotating/scaling matrix.
Maybe, but I don't think anyone's actually tried it, have they? If so what 6 systems did they use as points (will save me time if someone else has done the work!).
 
The toast as a map would make sense if viewed from Raxxla, the 6 points being landmarks visible from that location.

It’s the first concept I developed, but never applied due to not having a reliable source for all these 6 points… that’s ‘if’ they represent 6 points; in the same breath the introduction is equally describing just one thing.

So due to such consistent obfuscation like many Cmdrs we got lost within the various rabbit holes looking for some context, the biggest burrow being Astrophel.

Going back ‘Astrophel’ one of the simplest interpretations is ‘Astrophel and Stella’.

In this text Philip Sidney utilises many local astrological metaphors, but they are just that ‘local’…eg the moon, Mercury etc. However a numerical reading does draw correlations to Homers Odyssey.

It contains 108 stanzas, 108 iambic songs and 108 sonnets. This has been associated to be a numerical reference to where Penelope had 108 suitors.

I always interpreted Penelope as the yearning of the vagabonds heart! A journey home…Here we go again, another rabbit…

Source: https://youtu.be/WANNqr-vcx0
 
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That's a very cool image. How are you creating these images and alignments? are the stars shown (and your other posts) correct to the galmap locations?

If you had, say, 6 systems, could you draw lines between them and see where they cross over and relate that to the Galmap. like this:

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We have been messing quite a bit with this interpretation of the Raxxla symbol, in the past. There are several ways it can be viewed.
Personally I have mostly focused on the interpretation with Sol as the centre. This is because of the Sun symbol in the logo.
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The idea is then that the the use of the word Omphalos, suggests that Raxxla would lie somewhere on the vertical axis (location 1 -2 on the drawing).
That limits the search to the four locations, that makes up the horizontal plane (location 3-4 and 5-6).

We would still miss the distance though. This could possibly be indicated by other elements in the Raxxla symbol.
 
We have been messing quite a bit with this interpretation of the Raxxla symbol, in the past. There are several ways it can be viewed.
Personally I have mostly focused on the interpretation with Sol as the centre. This is because of the Sun symbol in the logo.
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The idea is then that the the use of the word Omphalos, suggests that Raxxla would lie somewhere on the vertical axis (location 1 -2 on the drawing).
That limits the search to the four locations, that makes up the horizontal plane (location 3-4 and 5-6).

We would still miss the distance though. This could possibly be indicated by other elements in the Raxxla symbol.
Could well be! I wonder if that vertical axis, in your example here, might be Polaris then? Edit: I just realise Polaris relates to Earth's axis, not Sol.. right?

As you so rightly say, there's a lot of interpretations :(

While Sol is the most common (and probably most likely) solution in astrology and astronomical symbols, the circumpunct is also used for a few other things. Including just any other solar system (EDDB.io uses it to denote systems, for example). I was interested in the idea of it being a vector point out of the plane, which would give us another axis, so to speak, but I'm too dumb that really understand how that works.

Did you see this I posted a while back too?

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It might just represent the Omphalos itself too..

The toast as a map would make sense if viewed from Raxxla, the 6 points being landmarks visible from that location.

It’s the first concept I developed, but never applied due to not having a reliable source for all these 6 points… that’s ‘if’ they represent 6 points; in the same breath the introduction is equally describing just one thing.
Personally I was wondering if the 6 locations (assuming the 6 point axis) were redundancy in the clues. Like, you could probably get the location with the right 2 or 4 pairs of locations, but having all 6 correctly would be 100% accurate?

Also, I've been doing a lot of work on the Toast... I don't think it's what we've been thinking it is. Consider this:

The Toast:​

I believe The Toast refers to Raxxla itself, it's not a clue as to how to get there. It contains some information on how to identify Raxxla, but nothing relating to its location. It may represent the information that the Dark Wheel has on Raxxla, or the information they commonly cite.

"To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies! To the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void! The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. To Raxxla!"

- Alleged toast of the Dark Wheel

Expressed as a standard paragraph, we could read this as:

Raxxla, the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies. It is the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void. Raxxla is the parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts.

Explaining these sentences:

"The jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies"

Raxxla is in the Milky Way - our “mother” galaxy. Describing it as a jewel explains how important and valuable it is. Possibly also relating to its appearance.

"The whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void"

Raxxla may have some influence within Witchspace, it emits sounds that could be whispers (possibly radio transmissions), and (like the Sirens of ancient Greece), when people hear the sound they are compelled to investigate. This could help locate it, if it does have a 'sound' then maybe when we're close (jumping in systems nearby) maybe there's actually a change in the Witchspace sounds to give us a clue as to proximity.

"The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts."

Relating to the sacrifices necessary to the search, how many have gone missing, etc.
 
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So due to such consistent obfuscation like many Cmdrs we got lost within the various rabbit holes looking for some context, the biggest burrow being Astrophel.

Going back ‘Astrophel’ simplest interpretation is ‘Astrophel and Stella’.

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Afraid I strongly disagree! The simplest interpretation of “Astrophel” is the basic translation from the greek as “Star Lover”!

I’ve never been convinced by this assumed reference to Sidney, it’s a huge leap, & it’s well outside the game so therefore highly unlikely to be canonn for ED, so what is the attraction of this hypothesis? Has MB expressed an admiration for his prose? Was it referenced in any of the novels?
(Though I did subscribe at one point and dived a lot of dual black holes, since
“When nature made her chiefe worke, Stella’s eyes, In collour blacke
onely those two starres in Stella’s face.”)

Whether you want to interpret “Star Lover” as David Braben (oft expressed love of astronomy), or Black Hole (possibly supermassive), or something else is another question....

Edit: sorry, don't mean to sound grumpy. Copawlot had a fit at 06:20 yesterday. Licking his paws a lot during last night, so I woke at 3:30, 4:30 & 5:30. Then another fit at 11:00. 😞😞😞
 
Could well be! I wonder if that vertical axis, in your example here, might be Polaris then? Edit: I just realise Polaris relates to Earth's axis, not Sol.. right?
Polaris is the celestial north pole. It relates to earths rotation axis.
The ecliptic north pole is in Draco and is the top of most star maps. It relates to earths orbit around the sun.
Then there is the Galactic north pole in Coma Berenices.
There are of course south poles as well. We usually focus on the north poles, because most of us live on top of the globe. :)

Al the other planets in sol also have their own poles, as well:

In the search for Raxxla, Mars, Saturn or any planet may be as relevant as earth?

All these are 'valid' ophalos points, if we find relevant hints to back them up.
 
Polaris is the celestial north pole. It relates to earths rotation axis.
The ecliptic north pole is in Draco and is the top of most star maps. It relates to earths orbit around the sun.
Then there is the Galactic north pole in Coma Berenices.
There are of course south poles as well. We usually focus on the north poles, because most of us live on top of the globe. :)

Al the other planets in sol also have their own poles, as well:

In the search for Raxxla, Mars, Saturn or any planet may be as relevant as earth?

All these are 'valid' ophalos points, if we find relevant hints to back them up.
Think you’ve just antagonised a whole continent of Strines, plus a few penguins 😉
 
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