Just on the audio - the pitch was lowered as part of 3.0.
I’m not sure what the subsequent change has been.
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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I’m not sure what the subsequent change has been.
The fix that they put in the game to unify the whole thing is Church of the Path in Shibboleth system and Universal Cartographics. Sol is mentioned directly in the first manual alongside the Lakon Spaceways Transporter (oldest ship in the entire series - Type-6 is derived from the original as is Keelback). Similarly, TDW novella makes repeated references back to Sol system and Earth in particular. The problem is that every power had their own name schemes until Universal Cartographics.
Shibboleths are cultural passphrases that distinguish one group from another - historically with mortal consequences. You can locate systems via planet names and stations pretty reliably. Also, the trick with Frontier gazetteer was that several systems had the Federation/GalCop entry and then a second with the Imperial entry (e.g. Alioth was known to the Imperials as Quphieth). Quphieth notably mentioned Donaldson starport which is only in Alioth). This is nothing more than a game of figuring out historical references from past vs current era. The lore is there.
Details on Church of the Path in Shibboleth:
What is a Shibboleth? (Wikipedia)
Shibboleth - Wikipedia
List of shibboleths (Wikipedia):
List of shibboleths - Wikipedia
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very interesting.
Then it turns out that it has something to do with either time or the passage to another galaxy.
Well it is not sad, but they give one more confirmation of the theory that it is impossible to find Raxxla in ED.
(The first reinforcement is that if someone finds it, then immediately write about it on the forum and about it will know at once ALL).
Thank you for writing about it.
For me the most important thing here is that the grid was changed to 2x2, everything else is not so important.
I participated in the very beginning of the search for bases, etc. and remember perfectly well what it is there and for what.
But still did not see the answer to my question: why the sign
Thargoid Link is different from a Thargoid Probe or Thargoid Sensor sign.
And gave an example of a map from the game. They can not be different !
The Mars Alien Artefact in ED can have only two explanations:There's always that "Alien" Martian artefact (that Jorki loves) to fall back on for another species! ;-)
Just a thought... ;-)
1) It’s just a vague tribute to the Arnie film Total Recall, where the atmospheric engine was triggered by Arnie’s hand pressing the alien hand shape on the top of the column.
2) It’s a clear indication that in ED aliens visited Sol in ancient history.
Though 2) doesn't preclude 1).
I find 1) a bit unconvincing, since the ED artefact is clearly stated to be a small object, no larger than a child’s hand, whereas the alien hand shape in the film was quite a bit bigger than Arnie’s large hands, and IIRC only 4 fingers (does that match the Guardians description by Ram Tah?). So I’m left with the hint that aliens have visited Sol, specifically Mars, in ancient history. But there are no consequences to that, no follow-on story/clues. The only thing that is obviously odd about Sol is that Triton is permit locked...could Triton be Raxxla? This hypothesis seems to hang, since there appears to be no storyline mechanics to explore it.
We are told explicitly that the Guardians had sentient AI, and so did humans, before it was banned and some escaped to deep space...so there’s two potential other species for you!
I like the "There's legends, ....erm that need to be tracked down" bit.Ah multiverse theory then.... all lore is valid just depends which universe you are in.... ;-)
On a slightly more serious note... the only menton of using previous games to enrich Elite Dangerous I have seen/heard/read from FD was from FFE (pretty sure it was that one rather than Elite II) in one fo the Dev Diaries by MB when he was talking about how they created the Galaxy. They imported some of the more "important" parts of the Galaxy (i.e. the old worlds, key systems of importance) from the old game and they hand crafted a few systems too (Sol being one).
However even with importing in that data they had to change things about... pretty sure the old worlds (Lave included) are actually in a different part of the Milkyway as it didn't fit with the new galaxy in Elite Dangerous.
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Here's a link to the video and summary I made earlier ;-)
(Oh and it was Achenar that moved not the old worlds... bad memory! but "The space occupied by the systems from FFE is much larger in Elite Dangerous as they moved a lot of them around")
The Quest To Find Raxxla
Can't stop thinking. We have exact date in codex when RAXXLA was known. At that time it was only 5-6 major systems colonized + hyper drive was expensive so could be used only by goverments/corporations. So that should be somewhere dumb close. I even had idea toast describes tattoo on NPC's head...forums.frontier.co.uk
And some interesting points I made at the time too...
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- There were two main goals... model the galaxy a closely as possible to the milky way and for the game to continue on from where FFE left off (3250) - game continues in 3300
- They started with the Gliese & Hipparcos catalogues to provide the bulk of the data in the immediate region and major stars out to 600 - 700 LY (Database of about 75,000 stars)
- Then they brought "stuff" across from Frontier First Ecounters ("Favourite places people like to visit and there's also some key locations from.... erm... eh... the fiction background that we've been putting together, so a good example of that is Lave of course which is famous from the very first game. So what we've been putting together is a series of overrides. So the galaxy itself is constructed from an algorithm so we basically have a number of complex equations that say that there should be a star here it;s in a spiral arm, that kind of thing and that then generates the whole galaxy but what we then have is a manual list of overrides that say actually there is a star at this specific point here, its of this type, we can assign the planets and the moons also as overrides within the system. So that means that some systems, the solar system being the classic example will be fully sort of manually set up so everything that you see is familiar to you. Where with other systems we'll let the system generate what star it is and the planets but we might say that particular planet there needs to be an earth type planet. So a lot of that information we've extracted from FFE and that's been compiled into a big database that can then be blended into the game data.")
- Then they added in the backer's naming promise for stars and planets (they tried to match the descriptions provided by backers to potential systems).
- Matching systems was also an interesting task when bringing data across from FFE as there were a number of stars in FFE that they had to relocate to match real star positions. So the map from FFE has changed quite a bit, but there's still the familiar layout that Achenar is down below the solar system but the positions are more accurate but makes space feel that much bigger.
- Then they planned to implement what's changed since 2250 - whether disputed systems are still disputed, are there any new colonies
- "There's legends, ...erm that need to be tracked down" 8:03
Some interesting points....
EDIT OVER!
- At the point of recording they had done most of the placing of "Stuff" and were just deciding on changes since FFE.
- The totally hand crafted solar system is still broken.... or is it? ;-)
- The fiction bits of the galaxy are based on FFE and not Elite '84 (I've done checks on lists of systems and planets from the original game but not considered FFE before as I didn't play it)
- They took the time to place specific planets in specific systems as they hand crafted more than just Sol.
- The space occupied by the systems from FFE is much larger in Elite Dangerous as they moved a lot of them around
- If you're looking for the least retconned previous game then it's FFE? (Although Raxxla was never mentioned in FFE)
- And my favourite.... "There's legends, ....erm that need to be tracked down" 8:03"
I would however say that in my humble opinion there is a bit of lore that has been added in over the years that has come from the previous games and pretty sure some of Galnet stories early on were lifted from previous games and slightly modified, but even that is quite a while ago now so examples elude me...
Whilst I don't disagree with your views (as I always say anyone's idea is just as valid as someone else's until someone finds Raxxla!).... There is a part of me that is split on whether to find Raxxla it would be cool to have to know the lore of all current and previous sources, be able to decypher which bits are still valid which have been retconned whilst at the same time being able to make sense of all the discrepancies and re-writes/reboots over the years within the game and all the ancilliary products (books, RPG, etc) or whether that would give me a massive sense of humour failure.... LOL
The way I personally approach it is that Elite Dangerous and anything mentioned in it is gospel (whether it's subterfuge or not).... Anything else is a guide and most likely not valid lore unless it comes from someone involved in the current game in someway but I don't rule it out completely...
e.g. Thargoids were not in the game... they were conspicuously not mentioned by FD early on with the usual "we have nothing to announce at this time" type answers and then they appeared in the game and parts of the old law came in to force with the 1st Thargoid war.... but some details have changed/retconned/rebooted....
but always remember "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" so you may well be right ;-)
The only legends I can think of are Thargoids and Raxxla. Thargoids appeared without much/any tracking needed. But Raxxla still hasnt been found, but the “needs to be tracked down” phrase seems to me to be a hint that there are/were storyline clues to support that tracking...otherwise he would have said “that needs to be blindly stumbled upon”
I think Monday’s galnet post is a strong hint to go look for the Thargoid Listener Lady, Seo Jin-ae, in Ngaruayanka! A clear hint that there’s something relating to the current storyline there."An Odyssey update then reverted the Obelisk displays back to their original behaviour but with the 2 x 2 grid instead of the original 3 x 2."
i was reading this on the Guardian chat forum the other day having watched D2EA's video investigating the change.... how I haven't come across that forum before I don't know.... probably too focussed on this one! (and so many familiar faces on there too... lol)
I was interested in it being refered to as original behaviour whilst having a different grid pattern and audio.... however it's quite a long thread now so I didn't see a full explanation...
Did someone check the audio and alter the pitch to confirm it was exactly the same and did they check for the same patterns in a spectrogram analysis?
and why is a different grid pattern not a remarkable change? and are the grids performing the exact same pattern as previously?
Now that the console players have been jettisonned and the Odyssey release saga is over I am more attentive to change/hidden messages/clues/etc now we are not in a multi-year holding pattern.... "Nemesis" on Salvations video showing the "wrong" Megaship during the Proteus wave video and susequent Nemsis protocol suddenly appearing in game means stories are moving again and I can't put things in the "FD have screwed up again"/"FD are using any old asset for the videos"/"FD wouldn't bother"/"FD rolled back a change" bucket anymore... and I'm more back in the mode of hidden messages in audios, new mysteries (what's in those maelstroms/Vortexes?), What is the Orthorus up to?, What is a Grelic for?, Where is the lady who can hear Thargoids? (is it Thargoids she can hear?), Why won't TDW pick me?, Where is Raxxla....
Just some thoughts!
Well, if you don't throw out the novel TDW and Elite1, the Thargoids are no legend. Ordinary, albeit hostile, aliens.I like the "There's legends, ....erm that need to be tracked down" bit.
The only legends I can think of are Thargoids and Raxxla. Thargoids appeared without much/any tracking needed. But Raxxla still hasnt been found, but the “needs to be tracked down” phrase seems to me to be a hint that there are/were storyline clues to support that tracking...otherwise he would have said “that needs to be blindly stumbled upon”
This one. Holdstock has part of the Talmor Lens built incorrectly at Earth. That said, Talmor Lens had millions of pieces spread out over a large portion of the galaxy aimed at a specific globular cluster - possibly Omicron Centauri. Omicron Centauri globular cluster is visible from Earth and thought to be the remains of dwarf galaxy. Kapteyn's Star nearby Sol is an ejected star from this cluster. Holdstock also had another species living on Mars when it was wetter before the terraforming that sounded like Guardians.
You forget that TDW novella also has the Oresrians that look extremely similar. Truthfully, we don't know exactly what we are fighting at the moment. I believe this is partly why there is so much secrecy. The Dark Wheel and human leadership at the time worried about breaking news to humanity about contact with another species especially if they looked similar to a species we fought previously.
Shangdi was an interesting choice too...
Shangdi, (Chinese: “Lord-on-High”) Wade-Giles romanization Shang-ti, also called Di, ancient Chinese deity, the greatest ancestor and deity who controlled victory in battle, harvest, the fate of the capital, and the weather.
Chinese salvationist religions
Some scholars consider these religions a single phenomenon, and others consider them the fourth great Chinese religious category alongside the well-established Confucianism, Buddhism and Taoism.[3] Generally these religions focus on the worship of the universal God (Shangdi), represented as either male, female, or genderless, and regard their holy patriarchs as embodiments of God.
She is not linked to the Thargoids. The Guardians were the species with implants that allowed rapid sharing of information. Please read the Guardian Data on Technology. Apparently, some survived (whether these are also the Oresrians is anybody's guess until we have on-foot aliens). These would likely be the progressive branch Guardians. The traditional branch Guardians (the ones that were more likely to survive attempted annihilation) were religiously against the implants, holographic technology, and a few other parts of the heavily upgraded Monolith network (this might be Raxxla and if so Nemesis Project is linked as well as Utopia's Sim-Archive).
Guardians Data – Technology | Canonn Research Group
Technology Summary The Guardians were a highly intelligent race and mastered a number of technologies. Their understanding and manipulation of genetics was far in advance of human science; they used it to eradicate disease, address environmental concerns, and create entirely new organisms for...
canonn.science
You get that all the religious system names are hints of Raxxla's existence. Per Holdstock, a visit of a system by the Raxxlans often changed the planet's religion from Nature-worshipping to a more patriarchal type deity that was something to be feared. This is why religion is so deeply interwoven into the story.
Alex looked at the Thru-V pictures, and for a second couldn't comprehend the grotesque sights he saw. Looking through the bodies of the Mymurth, the camera had picked up the spider-like life-forms that were living inside the shuffling, harmless turtle-forms. The sight was discomforting. Jointed legs seemed to be reaching out into every limb, and every body space. The central black body was shiny, and from it peered a number of bloated, faceted eyes. Two long, bristly tendrils stretched into the Mymurth's brains from each of these hideous parasites.
'What are they?' Alex whispered, and Elyssia said,
'Trouble. They're immature Thargoids'
Alex felt his heart quicken. Tharglets! He was transporting Tharglets, the larval forms of one of the most deadly life-forms in the known Galaxy!
Set-up? Being set-up hardly began to describe the way they'd been duped on Xezaor!
No wonder the pirates had closed so ravenously . . .
'There's good bounty on Tharglets. The Navy pay well, for research purposes.'
'They're also deadly; and they make ideal mercenary fighters if trained and developed. We've been carrying fighters for Cirag. Pirate fighters. No wonder they want to destroy us. They won't want any evidence left of this . . .'
Alex stared at the space station. For a moment Elyssia's words just went in and didn't register. He was thinking of the pirates who had attacked, and who had been beaten back . . .
He was thinking that the danger was over . . . they were at a Coriolis station, and the only danger now was illegal trading . . .
He was thinking safety . . .
'What are they?' Alex whispered, and Elyssia said,
'Trouble. They're immature Thargoids'
Alex felt his heart quicken. Tharglets! He was transporting Tharglets, the larval forms of one of the most deadly life-forms in the known Galaxy!
Set-up? Being set-up hardly began to describe the way they'd been duped on Xezaor!
No wonder the pirates had closed so ravenously . . .
'There's good bounty on Tharglets. The Navy pay well, for research purposes.'
'They're also deadly; and they make ideal mercenary fighters if trained and developed. We've been carrying fighters for Cirag. Pirate fighters. No wonder they want to destroy us. They won't want any evidence left of this . . .'
Alex stared at the space station. For a moment Elyssia's words just went in and didn't register. He was thinking of the pirates who had attacked, and who had been beaten back . . .
He was thinking that the danger was over . . . they were at a Coriolis station, and the only danger now was illegal trading . . .
He was thinking safety . . .
Reality is rarely pretty or simple - especially both at the same time.
I have bad English, but this is very interesting.She is not linked to the Thargoids. The Guardians were the species with implants that allowed rapid sharing of information. Please read the Guardian Data on Technology. Apparently, some survived (whether these are also the Oresrians is anybody's guess until we have on-foot aliens). These would likely be the progressive branch Guardians. The traditional branch Guardians (the ones that were more likely to survive attempted annihilation) were religiously against the implants, holographic technology, and a few other parts of the heavily upgraded Monolith network (this might be Raxxla and if so Nemesis Project is linked as well as Utopia's Sim-Archive).
Guardians Data – Technology | Canonn Research Group
Technology Summary The Guardians were a highly intelligent race and mastered a number of technologies. Their understanding and manipulation of genetics was far in advance of human science; they used it to eradicate disease, address environmental concerns, and create entirely new organisms for...
1. D-2 had a chip, the Guardians also had implants.
2. It seems that during the War of the Guardians and Targoid, the Guardians tried to learn the language of Targoid, D-2 hears Targoid.
3. The witch has lived for over 200 years and is somehow connected to the Guardian AI.
4. Salvation was able to upgrade the guards' weapons for the better.
Was the witch a descendant of the Guardians ?
She's merely the one the Pilot's Federation and Azimuth Biotech had to be honest about the facts involved. How exactly do you think the Rescue Rangers find you?
In short, CMDRs aren't entirely what we have been told. I get the feeling that Monolith Network forms the basis of The Pilots' Federation infrastructure. The CMDRs are likely either genetically enhanced or cyborg (cyborg eyes are an option).
But I do throw out the novella and Elite1 & 2 & 3!
If not explicitly referenced in ED then it may not be canon, see Allen Stroud’s posts in this thread.
By the time of the start of ED the Thargoids had slipped into myth, with many believing they did not exist. It’s either in the Codex or a Tourist Beacon....
Or galnet...
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Or a planet, station, etc...
I have to ask why? The gazetteer even stated which frontier system seemingly had traces of alien civilizations. TDW novella also seems to have fairly obvious hints about locations that might be important.
I mean you do what feels comfortable for you, but seems like you are making this harder for yourself.
I am just saying...maybe trusting the space monk that seems have some ideas that can be backed with in-game evidence may not be the worst choice you could make.
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