I beg to differ - look at a cherry-blossom
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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Ya its fairly clear the ED is continuing on from FFE … however… big however… there are many discrepancies (safer to say they are following from an unpublished variant of FFE). So anything from FFE must not be taken as canon but has rather a better chance of being real than the earlier stuff. I think anything prior to FFE would fall under “legends” and maybe even some stuff in it.. but that doesnt stop us from dreaming.
My general take is I don't take lore seriously until I can prove in some fashion it exists. That said, the Nemesis Project story arc got me thinking this sound like Utopia's Sim-Archive. The problem, the Antal system is barely worth writing up an exploration report. There appears to not be anything obvious infrastructure-wise that would actually support it (though there have been several GalNets plus Pranav Antal's codex entry). That said, I have proof of external configuration of jumps (see fleet carrier jumps sequence at 40 seconds and varying engineer data). So current running idea is that Monolith Network is both Faraway and Nemesis/Sim-Archive. The antenna on station seems to help with transmission of data from ships requesting jumps. Realistically, even our fusion power plants cannot generate enough power to rip a hole in the fabric of space-time. Because as best I can gather, the Witch-space tunnel is a temporary wormhole between systems. Meanwhile, supercruise is something like an Alcubierre drive.
If Faraway still exists or ever existed the infrastructure is as follows:
If Faraway still exists or ever existed the infrastructure is as follows:
- Large stations especially the large antenna at rear
- Ringed antenna array at entry to stations (these are what you lock against when in supercruise)
- Large vertical antenna on outposts
- Surface sites especially those with gates, antenna, power sources, antenna arrays that look like radio telescopes
- Surface ports with radio telescopes like structures
- Surface ports with what look like solar panels
- Artificial power sources
- Asteroid bases ringed antenna array and rear antenna
- Artificial structures
- Orbital installations
- Anything stating: "WARNING
: LIVE ROUTING" - Our ships, megaships, fleet carriers, dredgers, SRVs are ad-hoc nodes
- Guardian surface locations
- Guardian Beacons
- "Thargoid" ships (again ad-hoc nodes)
- Network of gravitational singularities
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Time has nothing to do with it.
P.S. And I don't really know what you're talking about, there's a network of guards. It is represented by guardian beacons.
Last I checked, our ships don't generate power on the scale of billions of suns - Wormhole FAQ from the Chandra Space Telescope team
Think for a moment about how absolutely massive most our ships are - nevermind fleet carriers and megaships.
Space-time otherwise known as the fabric of the universe ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime ). Even creating a blackhole requires fairly insane amounts energy and mass in a suitably small region. All I am saying, is your power plant may run your ship but it doesn't generate anything close enough to open a tunnel in space between systems. Something else is doing that.
Elite's Universe is based on hard science fiction which means most choices when implementing the game were at least partly informed based upon actual science, physics, chemistry, geology, etc.
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Yes, I understand everything, the only thing I don't understand is why you say the word time.
Just space.
Well it’s worth bearing in mind that Ian Bell hasn’t been involved with Elite since the original game, so it’s just his take on Holdstock’s Raxxla given what he (Bell) knew about ED at the time (which may well be less than we do). It was phrased in a way that was quite disparaging to ED, so there may be more than an element of the dispute/falling out between him and David Braben behind what he said.
Even if what Bell said was accurate, it doesn’t mean that ED doesn’t have Raxxla, just that ED’s Raxxla may be different to Holdstock’s vision for Raxxla in Elite. From what I recall of what was said, there was an implication that Braben may not have even known what Holdstock’s Raxxla was. So if that is the case, ED’s Raxxla was pretty much always going to be different to Holdstock’s vision of Raxxla in Elite.
(Please apply a suitable bit of doubt over the statements as well, as I can’t currently find the original source for it all, and it’s always possible that what I’m remembering is what someone else said that Ian Bell said rather than a direct first hand statement from Bell himself.)
I just liked the saying because it fits my idea of the Raxxla myth.
As for today's development of the story of the witch, D-2, etc. I'm still waiting for the Odyssey - Trojan Horse.
It is more to do with physics and when you get anything as extreme as a singularity the garden variety version of physics that predicts events here on Earth starts breaking ... badly. Blackholes and wormholes are each distinct kinds of singularities. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity
IIRC the Mars Relic was found in space, but there were also fossils found on Mars itself.
Assuming that is indeed correct then it’s established that there were non-Earth based living creatures in Sol well before humanity’s time.
Possibilities:
- They came from Mars originally
- They came from Earth originally and travelled to Mars
- They came from another body in the solar system and travelled to Mars
- They came from outside the solar system and travelled to Mars
Cool, I just wouldn’t want you to have taken a paraphrased statement that I can’t find the original source for as something that puts you off the idea of looking for Raxxla in ED!
Yes, I am aware of that. It's just that if the word space-time were simply replaced with space, nothing would be lost.
What's the point of adding a constant to anything?
(I don't think that's really the point here).
1. Well it does not cancel the search for TDW and if you can somehow join TDW it will not essentially just continue the search for Raxxla.Cool, I just wouldn’t want you to have taken a paraphrased statement that I can’t find the original source for as something that puts you off the idea of looking for Raxxla in ED!
2. the game is constantly changing and remaking, then on the obelisk 2x3 glyph then 2x2, etc. Previously, the game was not at all Codex. At this point they can do and remake anything.
Yes and no. There is something I wasn't going to mention but might as well. It has to do with how Robert Holdstock describes stargates:
"Stargates are distortions in space; they are also distortions in time, a fact that is often overlooked."
-Tour of the Universe, Robert Holdstock
In a section describing stargates in the Galactic Cooperative. The three major ones are Magellan, Trax, and Cirag but numerous smaller branches of less well explored pathways exist.
In short, it may be another wrinkle to the Raxxla myth as Cirag is in TDW novella. The trick is going to be tracking it down through the path taken by Alex Ryder.
Having read that, and last weekend watched Jeff Wayne’s War of the Worlds New Generation on TV, I just gotta say a long, loud & warbling Ullllaaaaaaaa!
TB175 - “The object was found buried on Mars; it was no bigger than a child's hand and is still surrounded in secrecy, even in 3300. No information has ever been circulated as to the properties of this item or its origin, other than it is non-human.”
TB216- the artefact that was found in orbit (of Jupiter) was a message capsule from Augustus Brenquith. I suspect this (& he) might be significant for TDW/Raxxla, but never found anything to follow-on.
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https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-9981457 from Allen Stroud
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Brenquith was a Frontier Gazetteer character. His exploits were highlighted and expanded with more detail added in the guide material.
Later, I produced a variety of spoof Astrogator Tours adverts for Lave Radio.
”
I sometimes think I missed out a lot by missing the games between Elite 1 and Elite 4, but then I remember that period involved working for a living and raising children....
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See (these are actually references to posts by Allen Stroud which seem relevant to the topic, dont understand why the visible posts are linked....but its on the same page)
The Quest To Find Raxxla
Looks like we arrived at the same place, more or less, using the same references. Where did this go? What did you end up trying? Why aren't you at Raxxla now? What stopped you? Where did the trail dead end? We (I) never found anything, primarily because some other shiny thing caught my...
The Quest To Find Raxxla
Given my recent posting that shows Soontill appears to have been cover for the fact Raxxla was Guardian in origin, we now have a considerably limited search zone (as opposed to whole galaxy). This also narrows the search zones down rather considerably. We can now utilize Codex Map to locate...
The Quest To Find Raxxla
It's not unlike FD to retcon things though. Seems if this is the case they want Mic to be goid related in the current lore. I feel they were doing a lot of discovery themselves with how to tell stories and what their players would do related to those stories, which adds to the whole mess we have...
The Quest To Find Raxxla
Upon the ecliptic in his oblique way. This seems to back up my own interpretations of where Lucifer first set off from the outer crystalline sphere. When I've time I'll look towards mapping Libras location in relation to the Tau Ceti 2296 sphere of influence...
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Sneaky Walden clones... I wonder if there are any still out there... I see you have fun here :D I must check the topic more often.
The Quest To Find Raxxla
great crash to desktop now cant get back in game haha LMAOOOOOOOO :LOL: . I can imagine the rage.
The Quest To Find Raxxla
Sneaky Walden clones... I wonder if there are any still out there... I see you have fun here :D I must check the topic more often.
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Ive tried to find the Ian Bell quote on ED’s implementation of Holdstock’s Raxxla, but failed. I was sure someone had mentioned it in this thread, but my googlefu is weak this morning (weaker than normal) - bad night with copawlot, must have a nap...
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While I am aware of that my methods have their doubters, I was able to locate Veliaze, Vetitice (first Coriolis is built in modern-day Facece), and and the Imperial name for Alioth (Quphieth). I believe that means there is enough there to continue onwards. I alone have to understand the "magic" that makes it work. The acceptance of my detractors is fortunately not required.
Welcome to club on that point. This is my first Elite game. I just studied - a lot. Beyond having managed to acquire all the rare copies of Holdstock's works, I studied Frontier gazetteer and First Encounters journals. I would strongly recommend the website: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/ . There is still a lot of work on decoding the past (e.g. still trying to figure out the role of Jackson's Lighthouse before it became the lighthouse as that happened in 2672). The gazetteer is quite useful but is confusing due to some systems having two entries but most don't. The journals more provide additional information once a story arc is confirmed to a degree in Elite Dangerous.
The problem that we all face is the following:
- Core lore: 3100s - 3300s (Elite - Elite Dangerous), books, Elite Encounters RPG, and Elite Dangerous RPG
- GalCop/Faraway Era - 2800s - 3100s (largely found in Frontier and First Encounters)
- Old Worlds Coalition (2400s - 2800s) - Elite (especially maps from that era, Frontier, First Encounters, Elite Encounters RPG
- Mythical era (anything before human spaceflight to 2400s). Most everything from this era is matter of piecing it all together with only occasional cases of certainty.
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Hello tinfoil hats mates, recently I have been studying again about Raxxla, well among 1476 pages about raxxla very little really solid we have achieved so far...
But I would like your help and understand if any real clues have been found, what has been investigated recently, I want to be able to help you and update me on the subject.
I will share a little bit of my vision with you:
I have always believed that there is something in Mr Sidney's sonnet astrophel e stella, mentioned in the codex:
"Several versions of the Raxxla story mention an alien artifact: The Omphalos rift, described as a gateway or tunnel through which parallel universes can be accessed. These details however were later shown to bear a striking resemblance to the children's story "Princess Astrophel and the spiralling stars", and soon lost credibility. Undaunted, some Raxxla seekers insisted the story's Author had cunningly concealed facts about the mysterious locale in his book, as hints for those with eyes to see".
I have been studying these sonnets for days, there are references to Greco Roman mythology in the text, but I have yet to find anything or the possible hidden clues "Author had cunningly concealed facts about the mysterious locale in his book, as hints for those with eyes to see."
Besides the poetic and mitorlogical interpretation of the text, there is also the difficulty of translating some terms from an Old English 1500 to be unfolded as well, maybe I'm not seeing how The Barben interpreted it...
But I would like your help and understand if any real clues have been found, what has been investigated recently, I want to be able to help you and update me on the subject.
I will share a little bit of my vision with you:
I have always believed that there is something in Mr Sidney's sonnet astrophel e stella, mentioned in the codex:
"Several versions of the Raxxla story mention an alien artifact: The Omphalos rift, described as a gateway or tunnel through which parallel universes can be accessed. These details however were later shown to bear a striking resemblance to the children's story "Princess Astrophel and the spiralling stars", and soon lost credibility. Undaunted, some Raxxla seekers insisted the story's Author had cunningly concealed facts about the mysterious locale in his book, as hints for those with eyes to see".
I have been studying these sonnets for days, there are references to Greco Roman mythology in the text, but I have yet to find anything or the possible hidden clues "Author had cunningly concealed facts about the mysterious locale in his book, as hints for those with eyes to see."
Besides the poetic and mitorlogical interpretation of the text, there is also the difficulty of translating some terms from an Old English 1500 to be unfolded as well, maybe I'm not seeing how The Barben interpreted it...
We’re just assuming ’Astrophel’ (Phil) is a reference to Astrophel and Stella. It could likely just mean ‘star lover’.
Then you have the context, ‘Princess Astrophel’ ergo female and of royal decent.
Astrophel is essentially a male alias first constructed and used by Philip Sidney, he being the ‘star lover’ and Stella (Lady Penelope) being his love.
The confusion over phel / phil is not an issue of interpretation, it’s due to a typographical error when the poem was published, it’s generally accepted to be one word just spelt differently in different volumes. The context remains the same, it’s a male derived name.
The sonnets have been interpreted by many to be a numerical allusion to Homers Odyssey as the number of Penelopes suitors of which there were 108, is the same number of songs; the similarities to Lady Penelope and Homers Penelope, and remember, Odysseus returned home in disguise as a beggar, he essentially was a vagabond !
However, its also a rather saucy text (the context is lost in modern translation, but there’s a lot of naughty stuff in there), not really applicable for a younger audience (granted such context may be lost). And John Milton was more to M Brookes liking, by all accounts Milton didn’t like Sidney much, but the two did have some family entanglement after Sidney’s death, particularly regards Mary Sidney who actually was a big deal at that time, more so than her brother….
In my opinion ‘Princess Astrophel’ is either a reference to the Odyssey or it’s a role reversal, as it’s a male prefix, Astrophel / Astrophil being a play on word for Phillip… Princess ergo female, the sister of Philip Sidney?
I suspect it’s actually a reference to ‘Mary Sidney’ his little sister, for whom Sidney wrote her a children’s story… Arcadia.
Mary, was also an exponent of Christian mysticism, magic and astrology. She was also a close friend, patron and admirer of Dr. John Dee. So generally she’s far more interesting than her brother…
You might think ‘Stella’ is deep with allegorical references, but by Jove, Arcadia is riddled with it… plus it has pirates and hidden treasure…and multiple references to Delphi…and especially one particular muse who was heavily referenced by Milton in Paradise Lost!
But we’ve been here before; it’s possible it’s an allusion to something totally different or a red herring or it’s a reference to an in game female character?
Keep digging O7
Then you have the context, ‘Princess Astrophel’ ergo female and of royal decent.
Astrophel is essentially a male alias first constructed and used by Philip Sidney, he being the ‘star lover’ and Stella (Lady Penelope) being his love.
The confusion over phel / phil is not an issue of interpretation, it’s due to a typographical error when the poem was published, it’s generally accepted to be one word just spelt differently in different volumes. The context remains the same, it’s a male derived name.
The sonnets have been interpreted by many to be a numerical allusion to Homers Odyssey as the number of Penelopes suitors of which there were 108, is the same number of songs; the similarities to Lady Penelope and Homers Penelope, and remember, Odysseus returned home in disguise as a beggar, he essentially was a vagabond !
However, its also a rather saucy text (the context is lost in modern translation, but there’s a lot of naughty stuff in there), not really applicable for a younger audience (granted such context may be lost). And John Milton was more to M Brookes liking, by all accounts Milton didn’t like Sidney much, but the two did have some family entanglement after Sidney’s death, particularly regards Mary Sidney who actually was a big deal at that time, more so than her brother….
In my opinion ‘Princess Astrophel’ is either a reference to the Odyssey or it’s a role reversal, as it’s a male prefix, Astrophel / Astrophil being a play on word for Phillip… Princess ergo female, the sister of Philip Sidney?
I suspect it’s actually a reference to ‘Mary Sidney’ his little sister, for whom Sidney wrote her a children’s story… Arcadia.
Mary, was also an exponent of Christian mysticism, magic and astrology. She was also a close friend, patron and admirer of Dr. John Dee. So generally she’s far more interesting than her brother…
You might think ‘Stella’ is deep with allegorical references, but by Jove, Arcadia is riddled with it… plus it has pirates and hidden treasure…and multiple references to Delphi…and especially one particular muse who was heavily referenced by Milton in Paradise Lost!
But we’ve been here before; it’s possible it’s an allusion to something totally different or a red herring or it’s a reference to an in game female character?
Keep digging O7
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