Rochester, what is the current general alignment for the trunk of our tree?

Regards Achenar > Polaris negative.

If looking at Yggdrasil in game using our traditional galactic north/south alignment, the trunk is no where near this alignment.

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I first thought (before reading Holdstock) the lower half of Yggdrasil was its underworld, so its easy to misinterpret it against our Galmap orientation.

In fact when discovering the Lost Realms, I wrongly named them an Underworld - simply because there were systems named after the Greek hell in this region, but this never sat right because certain Norse systems likewise attributed to an underworld were actually further ‘north’!

I found if I shifted Yggdrasils axis, the ‘tree’ made more sense, but I could not identify a logical solution, until I re-applied the Greek compass system!

I then began mapping the Greek gods, and noticed certain deities aligned to the Greek compass and certain Norse systems too.

I re-tead Holdstock and realised the area I attributed to an underworld was actually what Holdstock called an ‘Otherworld’.

Yggdrasil has its own ‘Otherworld’ Jotunheim the land of giants, a place where the ocean met the edge of the world, and then Njoror, a Norse god of the sea…

Now using this new axis the lost realms tie-in with Yggdrasil; not as an ‘underworld’ but as an ‘Otherworld’ a land beyond on the outskirts, on the outer rim!

Now considering this new alignment we can identify the north end of the trunk of Yggdrasil as Utgard, with the south end as Midgard.

The rune Hagalaz now sits somewhere in the middle, and the Bifrost road now aligns with the new north/south.

The hawk Veðrfölnir ought to sit at the trees apex, but its not in game, but it’s opposing entity at the south was the serpent Nidhoggr, this is in game as a body in Nastrond, and is under this new axis at the south relative to Midgard.

Between these two animals was a squirrel called Ratatosk, this is in game, and now sits halfway as it should; the great Midgard world serpent Jormungand, likewise is in the correct alignment.

Along this same alignment other systems began to make sense; such as the Greek and ‘older gods’ pantheon, for instance those gods linked to a north eg Helios etc now sit on this north alignment!

So my hypothesis is the trunk of Yggdrasil is from around Utgard to Midgard on a shifted axis, going away from Polaris.

This means the Lost Realms really are ‘obfuscated’ on the ‘outer rim’.

If this is by design it’s a wonderful work of Astro-spacial art and the designer (Brookes?) ought to be celebrated by FD. I find this structure beautiful, if Raxxla truly is in the lost realms area it’s a very fitting location and ties in perfectly.

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*also: the three Norns (Norse) are now relative to the three fates (Greek) along this new axis alignment…

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Four weeks since I last flew, chest still tight but getting better. Finally off the cough medicine!

But I found a brilliant scifi book to read...Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir who wrote The Martian. I’m a third of the way through & heartily recommend it!


Mmm, just realised he also wrote “Artemis”....is he an ED player??
Must put that one on my “to get” list!
I'll be honest Andy Weir is one of the authors that I believe contributed to the 419 historical novels (Secrets of Simulating Backgrounds) referenced by Transport Lakon Baker Gamma Sierra Heavy. Also, if you haven't played Deliver Us the Moon and Deliver Us Mars the timelines suspiciously line up to the Elite Universe. Helium-3 is a real thing. It also fits nicely with those who founded Sirius Corporation dealing with Hydrogen, Hydrogen isotopes, or products from Hydrogen's fusion and/or fission. Project Outward and the fight over saving Earth or letting it decay is also very interesting.


 
Regards Achenar > Polaris negative.

If looking at Yggdrasil in game using our traditional galactic north/south alignment, the trunk is no where near this alignment.
This may actually be promising. There is a passenger missions out of Robigo to "Sol's true north star" as in definitely not Polaris (rep-locked and hard to trigger). Wonder where this will lead?
 
By any way commanders...lemme just drop that: its mentioned only elite pilots will / can find Raxxla. Does it mean, you have to reach elite in any discipline to have a chance of finding Raxxla??
TDW novella makes it pretty damned obvious it is combat or nothing (or at least Elite in one of the others but able to handle anything).

Rafe Zetter leaned forward so that his grizzled features seemed almost able to kiss the younger man. ‘He was a combateer, Alex. One of the best. No way should he have died like he did…’

‘My father was a trader, not a combateer,’ Alex said, startled and disturbed by what Rafe was implying.

‘Guess again, sonny.’

‘But it sickened him to fire shots in anger.’

‘Maybe,’ Rafe said drily. ‘But it didn’t stop him. How else do you think he made it as a trader all those years? Dammit, Alex, even if your cargo is sour-cream and pickles there’s someone’s going to try and take it from you. Your father was a combateer of the highest calibre.’

Alex swallowed heavily, staring at the quizzical features of old Rafe Zetter. ‘The highest calibre?’

Rafe nodded. ‘That’s right, Alex,’ he said softly. ‘You can be deadly, you can be dangerous, and you can end up as pet food in orbit around a dog’s ass-of-a-world like Isveve. But if you’re Elite, and you die, then there’s a reason for your death…’

I believe the general implication is that getting ELITE in any of them, out of necessity, endows many CMDRs with hard-learned skills of survival in even the challenging of circumstances. Finding Raxxla appears to be a very dangerous profession.
 
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My take: exploration is required to see the galaxy for what it is. Combat is for survival but this could come through other avenues. You can follow orders, but if you cannot think about what you see bad things happen. ELITE is more here about having sufficiently advanced skills to handle whatever you face. Another big part of this is mentioned in the Invitation:

All you need to know is that my organisation has a very specific remit: to seek out those who have the potential to become real movers and shakers, those precious few with the talent to mould and shape the galaxy around them, to create change on a grand scale.

We find them, and then we test them. Consider this your test.

Take the ship. Take the money. No strings, no hidden clauses.

Do with them what you will. Blaze your own trail.

Impress me, perhaps you’ll learn more.
 
The more i think about it- the more i believe u need to be triple elite. I suspect you will also need to be at the right place and time and might even need some extra trinkets or something…. But three fates

…. Just like thargoid and guardian devices needing three inputs….. you probably need to be elite in three professions. I suspect it doesnt matter which three, but who knows.

The symbolism is tied to the central axis myth… I suspect the myth is not just common among human societies - but its in thargoid and guardian memory as well.
 
THx, 4 reply.
Yeah, I did read this, but wondered whether at least one of the "core" ranks must be maxed out. Looks like, the rest must reach a certain level as well...
I wouldn't say maxed out just Elite (Elite I, etc). A very large portion of early CMDR learning is progressively taking increasingly dangerous jobs. Skills pay the bills. That said, the story started in a system noted for propaganda so learning to see through things is just as important. Also, see my posting that quotes the Invitation.
 
…. Just like thargoid and guardian devices needing three inputs….. you probably need to be elite in three professions. I suspect it doesnt matter which three, but who knows.
There was only combat at the beginning. Everything other than Combat was added in Elite Dangerous. Yes, you could do the others but they were essentially "side-quests" for personal gratification previously. Also, a reminder on what was inherently linked to that combat rank - how your CMDR conducted themselves. There was a "right" and "wrong" way to achieve ELITE.

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From the Wikipedia entry for Fortuna:
Fortuna's identity as personification of chance events was closely tied to virtus (strength of character). Public officials who lacked virtues invited ill-fortune on themselves and Rome: Sallust uses the infamous Catiline as illustration – "Truly, when in the place of work, idleness, in place of the spirit of measure and equity, caprice and pride invade, fortune is changed just as with morality".
 
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This may actually be promising. There is a passenger missions out of Robigo to "Sol's true north star" as in definitely not Polaris (rep-locked and hard to trigger). Wonder where this will lead?
Well its going to be a couple of weeks as im currently on my way to Colonia, but once im back in the bubble i will take some time at Robigo and see if i can get the mission.
Im triple elite and spent that much time running missions from there the bar tender knows my tipple, so rep isn't an issue.

O7
 
I wouldn't say maxed out just Elite (Elite I, etc). A very large portion of early CMDR learning is progressively taking increasingly dangerous jobs. Skills pay the bills. That said, the story started in a system noted for propaganda so learning to see through things is just as important. Also, see my posting that quotes the Invitation.
Thx for the hint, yeah. Im tripple Elite, rest is close...thinking 'bout starting prestige...but not sure it would be worth it. mb i'll just give it a try, but need to level fast i guess to reach elite again and getting "tested" one day...even thinking of gettin close to a region of the respective system Raxxla is located...hunt's still not over I see ;)
 
By any way commanders...lemme just drop that: its mentioned only elite pilots will / can find Raxxla. Does it mean, you have to reach elite in any discipline to have a chance of finding Raxxla??
Where is your ED-specific source for this? I'm interested.

Personally I believe (and have stated it before in this thread) that you need all the Elite ranks; without any proof, of course. To me it 'makes sense', given how 'hard' it is (for example) to get a G5 suit or to get a ship that's behind an Imperial or Federation rank. Can't imaging any Tom, or Harry coming across Elite. Well, so far nobody has. YMMV, of course!

I'd be interested to know how many here have (is it 5?) all the Elites who are searching for Raxxla.

Good luck with your search, CMDR!

o7
 
Where is your ED-specific source for this? I'm interested.

Personally I believe (and have stated it before in this thread) that you need all the Elite ranks; without any proof, of course. To me it 'makes sense', given how 'hard' it is (for example) to get a G5 suit or to get a ship that's behind an Imperial or Federation rank. Can't imaging any Tom, or Harry coming across Elite. Well, so far nobody has. YMMV, of course!

I'd be interested to know how many here have (is it 5?) all the Elites who are searching for Raxxla.

Good luck with your search, CMDR!

o7
There is none for ED.
This idea comes from the original Holdstock 1982 game’s novella “Elite: The Dark Wheel”


One thing's for sure,' Rafe went on drily. 'Unless you get there, unless you become élite, you'll never get to Raxxla. And you'll never know exactly what your father was searching for.'

We dont know whether this is still (or ever was) canon for ED. My personal opinion is that it is not, that it was but it was removed.

I think MB used it in the original puzzle implementation to remain canon with the novella; on gaining Elite rank you get the Shinrarta Dezhra permit and access to everything therein. In the early days the SD tourist beacons had several different versions of spelling for Pilots’ Federation (search for my earlier posts on this) and I think that was supposed to indicate to us different factions within PF, one of which was the Real Dark Wheel (TB0250 tells us so). Those spelling differences were bug reported to FD and the early lack of reaction tends to support this theory.

However I think that around 2016 MB simplified the puzzle, removing the old E/F missions (which were given by PF against the interests of the “Dark Wheel” faction that resides in SD, supporting the idea they were a false front). The PF spelling differences have been corrected, so there seems to be nothing left in-game to support different PF factions and a Dark Wheel storyline. So I suspect any requirement for elite rank has also disappeared. Its a pity because that would have been a good strong logical storyline for us to follow. The focus seems to have all been moved onto the Thargoid War storyline.

But I’d encourage anyone to play as they wish-it is a game so should be enjoyed!
 
Silly hypothesis coming up!

I've been re-reading the abduction of Persephone myth. I think the story is interesting because Persephone has a system, a planet and a station in ED. In addition there are several uses of the name Cora. I've used this version: https://www.greekmyths-greekmythology.com/myth-of-hades-and-persephone/
The second version, that includes Demeter (no fun without her). the story is simple:

  • Demeter and Persephone descends to earth.
  • Demeter has some agri. business, Persphone plays with friends (Nerids and Naiads).
  • Hades likes her, asks Zeus for help and they get Gaia to plant a yellow Narcissus flower (daffodil): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_(plant)
  • Persephone likes the flower, picks it and gets sucked down to the underworld in the hole left by the stem of the flower.
  • The Nerid Cyan tries to help P., but turns into a river.
  • Demeter comes back and is not happy. She turns the other Naiads and Nerids into Sirens.
  • After a while Demeter bumps into Hecate. Hecate is a clever girl. She tells Demeter to check with Helios (the Sun), because he can see everything.
  • Helios tells what happened. Demeter confronts Hades (her brother). He agrees to let Persephone go back to Demeter.
  • Unfortunately Persephone ate some pomegranate seeds before she left the underworld. She therefor has to go back down, every winter (6 or 4 months each year).

We have all read this story. Nothing new here. What I started to wonder about was the flower. It acts as a plug to the portal of the underworld.
The Narcissus has an interesting Floral diagram:
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And an interesting Floral formula:
Floral formula
Br ✶ ☿ P3+3+Corona A3+3 G(3)
Bracteate, Actinomorphic, Bisexual
Perianth: 6 tepals in 2 ls of 3
Stamens: 2 ls of 3
Ovary: Superior – 3 fused carpels
Notis the Mercury symbol.

Here comes the silly hypothesis:

Raxxla is controlled by a sinister cabal. They are not the wicked men that Rafe Zetter tells about. They are wicked women. They all carry flower names and control important positions. Examples are:

 
Silly hypothesis coming up!

I've been re-reading the abduction of Persephone myth. I think the story is interesting because Persephone has a system, a planet and a station in ED. In addition there are several uses of the name Cora. I've used this version: https://www.greekmyths-greekmythology.com/myth-of-hades-and-persephone/
The second version, that includes Demeter (no fun without her). the story is simple:

  • Demeter and Persephone descends to earth.
  • Demeter has some agri. business, Persphone plays with friends (Nerids and Naiads).
  • Hades likes her, asks Zeus for help and they get Gaia to plant a yellow Narcissus flower (daffodil): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_(plant)
  • Persephone likes the flower, picks it and gets sucked down to the underworld in the hole left by the stem of the flower.
  • The Nerid Cyan tries to help P., but turns into a river.
  • Demeter comes back and is not happy. She turns the other Naiads and Nerids into Sirens.
  • After a while Demeter bumps into Hecate. Hecate is a clever girl. She tells Demeter to check with Helios (the Sun), because he can see everything.
  • Helios tells what happened. Demeter confronts Hades (her brother). He agrees to let Persephone go back to Demeter.
  • Unfortunately Persephone ate some pomegranate seeds before she left the underworld. She therefor has to go back down, every winter (6 or 4 months each year).

We have all read this story. Nothing new here. What I started to wonder about was the flower. It acts as a plug to the portal of the underworld.
The Narcissus has an interesting Floral diagram:
800px-Narcissus_Floral_Diagram.jpg


And an interesting Floral formula:
Floral formula
Br ✶ ☿ P3+3+Corona A3+3 G(3)
Bracteate, Actinomorphic, Bisexual
Perianth: 6 tepals in 2 ls of 3
Stamens: 2 ls of 3
Ovary: Superior – 3 fused carpels
Notis the Mercury symbol.

Here comes the silly hypothesis:

Raxxla is controlled by a sinister cabal. They are not the wicked men that Rafe Zetter tells about. They are wicked women. They all carry flower names and control important positions. Examples are:

I like silly theories. I have one about dinosaurs....
Oops, might have borrowed that from someone...
I’ll (silly) walk away....
😁

You forgot to mention that Persephone couldn’t leave the underworld permanently because she’d eaten six pomegranate seeds (which are hexagonal) that Hades had given her, at which Demeter (goddess of agriculture) stopped crops growing and humanity (Zeus’ pets) faced starvation, so Zeus’ compromise was that Persephone had to annually spend spend six months with her mother but the remaining six months back in the Underworld.

The six theme is marked....it has something to do with Guardians!
 
I like silly theories. I have one about dinosaurs....
Oops, might have borrowed that from someone...
I’ll (silly) walk away....
😁

You forgot to mention that Persephone couldn’t leave the underworld permanently because she’d eaten six pomegranate seeds (which are hexagonal) that Hades had given her, at which Demeter (goddess of agriculture) stopped crops growing and humanity (Zeus’ pets) faced starvation, so Zeus’ compromise was that Persephone had to annually spend spend six months with her mother but the remaining six months back in the Underworld.

The six theme is marked....it has something to do with Guardians!
This story also mention her eating four seeds and therefore spending four months in the underworld. This was probably to correspond better with the length of the Greek winter.

Six is still the reoccurring number. Even the Floral formula has 3+3 twice.

Just don't grab anything if you find Raxxla, and go down the portal. Not even fuel scooping. :)
 
This story also mention her eating four seeds and therefore spending four months in the underworld. This was probably to correspond better with the length of the Greek winter.

Six is still the reoccurring number. Even the Floral formula has 3+3 twice.

Just don't grab anything if you find Raxxla, and go down the portal. Not even fuel scooping. :)
What, not even those free Lavian brandy samples???
😁
 
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