You don't solve problems by thinking like a programmer when it is about mythology. I would operate as though it was designed this way on purpose. You still aren't dealing with the issue itself. Also, if Raxxla was found in 2296 or earlier it may be near either capitol system (though we do have that annoying gap from 2230 - 2296 also known as "era of rapid expansion").
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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Everyone knows it’s the same universe. The old games and old novellas are just not accurate descriptions of that universe. They are stories and myths.
There are things that are true and things that aren’t. This is the easy path. When the old stories doesn’t fit the vision of the new game, the vision wins.
That may be oversimplifying matters. Example, South City, Xezaor from the TDW novella. This is one of the systems Alex Ryder passed through on his travels. Canonically, per several sources Coriolis stations as activity died down in a system (this was an older star) are converted to outposts to reclaim materials for new systems and to right-size the station for the amount of traffic. Additionally, the Dodo designs were being decommissioned. There is but one "South City" in all of Elite Dangerous in Hurukuntak. Perhaps that is enough to believe it is true. There are two outposts (South City and Bullialdus City) in the system and a newer Coriolis named Bauschinger Terminal. Just because things changed and time passes doesn't make the past automatically false or just myth.
Do you believe in Raxxla or not? If not, why are you here?
I mean that in the most kind and sincere way possible. If you won't go look, why bother?
Of course I believe in Raxxla.
I believe that Raxxla is a real location with a mysterious device, built by an ancient alien civilization
I believe it’s something real, that was actually usefull to the aliens.
I guess it may have been located shortly after the Mars relic was found, by a very small group. After the roumor of it’s existence started to spread, they went completly silent and hid the relic.
I don’t think anyone outside this group has found it.
I also have a feeling that the Raxxla building aliens visited earth and interacted with humans, some time between 10000 BC - 2000 BC.
I think the names that matters are the names of constelations and stars that were known to those may have interacted with the aliens.
Here's why I am pursuing Xezaor and others. There is more just a bit of dialogue given to Alex Ryder trying to deduce the nature of Raxxla. If we can narrow these down to real places any hints can then be utilized to establish search zones. We're, in essence, doing a bit of cultural archeology in order to establish a search.
CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian makes a good point about lessons (and maybe other hints or clues) being found in the description of Individuals in the Codex (and perhaps, by extension, other areas e.g. Corporations). I shall have to go back and review mentions of dates and systems. The entry that has always stood out the most to me is that of Alba Tesreau. Her beginning in an isolated community is reminiscent of The Dark Wheel's self-isolation.
I agree that the Mars relic is an indicator that another alien civilisation visited Earth - but it is proof that they visited Mars. I wonder what they wanted there, or is the relic just something that was left behind from routine exploration?
If Raxxla was originally discovered, as seems likely, during the era of rapid expansion, then to be ingrained in myth by 2296, it could well have been found decades before then, in the earlier stage of that expansion. That might also bring us back to a deep space location for Raxxla, with a Generation Ship leaving Sol on a heading to another system and passing close to it. However, the mythological leads pointing to the Lost Realms region and references to moons and moon goddesses, suggest to me that it is on or in immediate proximity to a moon, very possibly a remote one but still not requiring us to travel for LY in supercruise on an imprecise heading when we might need to be within 1000Ls for it to show up on our Nav Panel.
The issue of whether we will get any indication from any kind of scan or nav panel poi or have to eyeball it is a different matter!
I agree that the Mars relic is an indicator that another alien civilisation visited Earth - but it is proof that they visited Mars. I wonder what they wanted there, or is the relic just something that was left behind from routine exploration?
If Raxxla was originally discovered, as seems likely, during the era of rapid expansion, then to be ingrained in myth by 2296, it could well have been found decades before then, in the earlier stage of that expansion. That might also bring us back to a deep space location for Raxxla, with a Generation Ship leaving Sol on a heading to another system and passing close to it. However, the mythological leads pointing to the Lost Realms region and references to moons and moon goddesses, suggest to me that it is on or in immediate proximity to a moon, very possibly a remote one but still not requiring us to travel for LY in supercruise on an imprecise heading when we might need to be within 1000Ls for it to show up on our Nav Panel.
The issue of whether we will get any indication from any kind of scan or nav panel poi or have to eyeball it is a different matter!
Yes, there are two other key things that Rafe Zetter tells Alex Ryder:
His father believed he had found real evidence (italicised in The Dark Wheel novella) for the existence of Raxxla.
He (Jason Ryder) had come back from Deep Space (capitalised in the novella) to get an expedition together.
I take Deep Space to mean 'off the map', hence why it was not in the first game.
There might be something else findable that we need, or which will greatly help us, to locate Raxxla. This could, however, be information at The Dark Wheel base, since if Jason Ryder knew about it and had sent out word that he wanted to put an expedition together, then the information could well have been preserved somewhere and retrieved by other Dark Wheel members after his death.
Oh, and Jason Ryder called his Ophidian shuttle 'Avalonia'
Good spot about Avalonia, but I have to disagree -those phrases were not italicised in the novella:Yes, there are two other key things that Rafe Zetter tells Alex Ryder:
His father believed he had found real evidence (italicised in The Dark Wheel novella) for the existence of Raxxla.
He (Jason Ryder) had come back from Deep Space (capitalised in the novella) to get an expedition together.
I take Deep Space to mean 'off the map', hence why it was not in the first game.
There might be something else findable that we need, or which will greatly help us, to locate Raxxla. This could, however, be information at The Dark Wheel base, since if Jason Ryder knew about it and had sent out word that he wanted to put an expedition together, then the information could well have been preserved somewhere and retrieved by other Dark Wheel members after his death.
Oh, and Jason Ryder called his Ophidian shuttle 'Avalonia'
“Jason Ryder was convinced that Raxxla existed. That's why he trained for, and became a part of, the Dark Wheel, the legend-seekers. I hadn't heard much from him or about him for some time until just before he died, when he told me he'd found evidence for the real existence of Raxxla. He came back from
Deep Space to get a proper team together . . .
Jason Ryder was convinced that Raxxla existed. That's why he trained for, and became a part of, the Dark Wheel, the legend-seekers. I hadn't heard much from him or about him for some time until just before he died, when he told me he'd found evidence for the real existence of Raxxla. He came back from
Deep Space to get a proper team together . . .”
I have a copy of The Dark Wheel that came with the original BBCB version (I had the cassette version). It is italicised there as I have shown. I wouldn't read anything special into it, though.
Based, on crew capacity, Hyperspace capabilities, and description of being smaller than a Cobra Mk.3 we are dealing with an Adder. Which interestingly, is very much in line with current thinking that TDW was an organization which exists outside of normal legal frameworks. It's small but gets decent range but has almost no cargo. Ophidian here I believe merely references the fact this is one of the snake ships. It is also notable for a lack of cargo capacity especially if a fuel scoop was equipped for deep space.
It appears Jason Ryder's first mistake was trusting Raffe Zetter. I have already expounded plenty on who I suspect he was in reality - a certain individual which faked their death in Riedquat and crashed at the system known as Facece.
From Lave to Facece it is 166.94 LY. That is a longer haul than Sol to Achenar.
I really need to rank up and get access to Facece so I can go Facece 6 and all its' moons. It keeps coming up too much. Besides, Coriolis stations look like a much larger Guardian Orb. This would also explain the initial dodo Coriolis design being important because a Guardian Orb is a perfect dodecahedron. Further, it would explain the Soontill story as a form of misdirection.
Guardian Orb:
Modern Coriolis station:
Wouldn't it be something if the Coriolis is actually an alien construct?
So, based on all that tinfoiling. I think we are looking for the only Dodo station in existence. Guardian Orb was a bit of machinery that activated their equipment. Maybe this activates Omphalos Rift.
Guardian Orb
A mechanical device created several million years ago by the Guardians, an extinct nonhuman civilisation.
Guardian Orb
A mechanical device created several million years ago by the Guardians, an extinct nonhuman civilisation.
Facece 6 with its' 8 moons fits perfectly:
- Unnamed gas giant (actually a Y-class brown dwarf) - still technically a gas giant but it is just hot.
- 8 moons
Before anyone argues that cannot be:
- Oresrians are in TDW novella from the first game.
- Frontier / First Encounters (both occur between 3200 -3300) both make reference to ancient alien civilization.
- FFE journals explicitly referenced another intelligent species beyond just a Thargoids. It was notably a species that the Thargoids had been at war with for millions of years.
- Orbis stations are present in Facece for the TDW station (2 actually) as well as a secondary Coriolis.
- Insofar as checking it this could have been ignored for years because Holo-diagram of stations is not accurate until you drop at station and request docking. Even then, the CMDR would need to be paying attention as they dock.
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I’ve long said Facece is a good fit. The path of Jacques is peculiar,
Not only does Facece sit at the heart of the Lost Realms fulcrum, it oddly passes a system named Bridge and a Gen ship named after ‘death’ which potentially could be a Miltonian reference, but also said ‘bridge’ hits a boundary which ‘other’ systems linked to RH ‘wider’ Lost Realms might also sit upon; namely the boundary of the underworld…. It’s circumstantial at most, possibly an archeological dropped narrative, but nether the less it’s one of our best leads I believe.
*Rough draft of Lost Realms boundary of underworld (to be published in full real soon).
Not only does Facece sit at the heart of the Lost Realms fulcrum, it oddly passes a system named Bridge and a Gen ship named after ‘death’ which potentially could be a Miltonian reference, but also said ‘bridge’ hits a boundary which ‘other’ systems linked to RH ‘wider’ Lost Realms might also sit upon; namely the boundary of the underworld…. It’s circumstantial at most, possibly an archeological dropped narrative, but nether the less it’s one of our best leads I believe.
*Rough draft of Lost Realms boundary of underworld (to be published in full real soon).
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Ah, that’s interesting. Wonder why the emphasis was removed in the eversion; no italics on “evidence” but Deep Space is indeed title case.....so a specific name rather than a generic description. There’s also a line break immediately before it.....
Yes, I had the cassette version too! Happy days!
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Didn't all Coriolis stations have a South City and a North City, according to TDW?
"A Coriolis station is nothing less than a vast city built on six planes and spread, around the wide empty sky of its interior, facing inwards. From South City, the roof on the world is North City. At night, the lights that glow above your head are the lights of streets and buildings."
Could be I'm reading it wrong, but I don't think the ' South City' name was exclusive to Xeazor.
Good catch. Would South City and North City be the end-caps? To me it almost feels like Orbis were developed when someone realized having a very alien looking station might just bring some suspicion from the locals.
Also, pay attention when you are traveling. There are sub-types on Coriolis stations that are visible on the exterior. Environmental lighting has multiple variants including the blue-green like Guardians. Don't know if it is a homeage to Oolite. I do suspect colors are significantly more important. Reading through Holdstock he used color symbolism a lot. I really should do a dedicated posting on the forums about color symbolism utilized by TDW and how Mic Turner was a huge insight into all this. The colors are not randomly chosen in Elite Dangerous and a lot of it goes back to Earth. It is actually really fascinating.
P.S.: Half tempted to just run with Essafa indicating Mic Turner was from Earth when I do this. In many ways, that explanation seems easier. But will probably post both given the Jones Colony bit. The deeper connection are the Druze and it explains so damn much.
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Could this be a figure of speech for the northern celestial sphere? Remember, Frameshift Suite featurles constellations almost exclusively in the northern celestial sphere. This would be in line with Axis Mundi/World Tree/Yggradasil. I've learned better than to take things too literally, occasionally. Also, FFE journals references to Northern Edge is typically a reference to northern celestial sphere as viewed from Earth - in other words generally in the direction of Alioth and Ursa Major/Ursa Minor/Draco.
Rochester, what is the current general alignment for the trunk of our tree?
Is it approximately Achenar > Polaris?
Is it approximately Achenar > Polaris?
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