Suggestion: Check atmospheric composition on the Earth-like and the HMC. A seemingly natural Earth that isn't populated might indicate something off with atmosphere. Also, closer to Achenar there are several terraformed ones that ended badly or may have been done by another intelligent species. The devil is in the details.
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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In John Miltons Paradise Lost, there is an incident where Satan meets Chaos who provides him directions towards the exact location of Eden.
“To that side Heav'n from whence your Legions fell”
Where was this area, which side of the heavens where these archangels expunged?
My geospatial mind does try and look for environmental markers, because one of Paradise Lost’s greatest strengths is it’s ability to physicalise the ‘unknowable’ and build a model of a universe, with directional markers and dimensions.
In Miltons universe, there is Chaos, which is essentially ‘everything’, at the top of this is heaven, which is described as having a circumference.
Hanging not far from this is paradise (Eden) beneath one of the walls of heaven.
Directly below encompassing much of the centre is the realm of Chaos.
Directly below this is Hell.
After the second fall, and humans are cast out of paradise, God actually raises this Eden up into heaven. So Paradise is the new heaven, whereas before it was outside it, a separate creation.
In Celtic / Saxon mythology the technical idea of a ‘heaven’ is like in Milton’s, simply the seat of gods, not an afterlife for humans. These versions of a ‘Paradise’ are like Eden in Paradise Lost, an ‘Otherworld’. However, there are contradictions, as in many there is no real hell, in some this concept is separate or it’s the same thing.
My geospatial mind feels that FD has constructed a Robert Holdstock area of ‘Edens’ and ‘Hells’. This sits below the tree Yggdrasil which stretches up far above, in whose upper realms does reside the ‘upper gods’. Far below close to Pandemonium is a focal point of ‘lower gods’. This area is effectively the Lost Realms zone.
This brings together multiple mythologies into a logical abstract notion.
Is Raxxla within this area? Obfuscated between other Edens?
Or if FDs ‘Milton’ reference in the recent Brookes Tours is accurate, then they are describing Eden when it hung from the walls of heaven. Similar to the first line in the codex, the jewel that burns upon the brow.
Within the current ‘abstract’ construct then, does Raxxla actually reside below the Lost Realms area, or does it sit upon its outer rim?
Does the area of the Lost Realms like John Miltons heaven, have a metaphorical boundary, a wall. Is this the hypothetical ‘mountains’ area?
If so, then does Raxxla sit relative in position to where Eden was hung from the walls of heaven. From that point of the fall of Satan?
Note there exists a system in game called Fall. If we link this with Pandemonium, it does align with the path between Demeter and Persephone. If this is the ‘correct’ location of the ‘fall’, ought we extrapolate this path downwards?
Oddly (?) these paths do follow the alignment of Yggdrasil in my opinion, they go right through the Lost Realm zone, and far below align with ‘Njoror’, an interesting Nordic deity linked potentially to the root Irish/old English language attributed to ‘paradise’, or ‘north’!
Not far off this location is the system Otohime, this is a Japanese Princess from the story folktale of Urashima Tarō, a story Micheal Brooke’s used for one of his Drabbles!!! Technically this is another example of a Lost Realm, where a person travels to an Otherworld.
Again as I have pointed out, this mystery utilities numerous sources, many with conflicting contexts, many with exact dimensions. It’s equally logical to presume, such theories are totally unrelated and Raxxla might not be anywhere near here, and these Lost Realms are simply a brilliant Easter Egg.
I have recently reached out to FD Support and presented all of my findings. To which they simply responded with a ‘no comment’.
Ought we look instead to highlight and have championed this Holdstock Easter Egg (irrelevant of Raxxla), what attention might this elicit, if it were intentional, ought it be getting some press coverage, or do FD not wish it to be highlighted because we’re actually right?
I suspect the path of the Brookes Tours has been intentionally placed to direct players attention to a set of systems which form a triad of goddesses. If you follow the mythological links between these and other systems, they do lead towards Avalon, and an area on the outermost rim of Yggdrasil. This is part of the Lost Realms zone.
My theory of the first leg of the tour is that it is not too intentionally leading us towards Raxxla, but it is a nudge, that we are upon the correct path. Something is in this area!
Again this general area also corresponds to the hypothetical path of the Sampo!
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10125313
“To that side Heav'n from whence your Legions fell”
Where was this area, which side of the heavens where these archangels expunged?
My geospatial mind does try and look for environmental markers, because one of Paradise Lost’s greatest strengths is it’s ability to physicalise the ‘unknowable’ and build a model of a universe, with directional markers and dimensions.
In Miltons universe, there is Chaos, which is essentially ‘everything’, at the top of this is heaven, which is described as having a circumference.
Hanging not far from this is paradise (Eden) beneath one of the walls of heaven.
Directly below encompassing much of the centre is the realm of Chaos.
Directly below this is Hell.
After the second fall, and humans are cast out of paradise, God actually raises this Eden up into heaven. So Paradise is the new heaven, whereas before it was outside it, a separate creation.
In Celtic / Saxon mythology the technical idea of a ‘heaven’ is like in Milton’s, simply the seat of gods, not an afterlife for humans. These versions of a ‘Paradise’ are like Eden in Paradise Lost, an ‘Otherworld’. However, there are contradictions, as in many there is no real hell, in some this concept is separate or it’s the same thing.
My geospatial mind feels that FD has constructed a Robert Holdstock area of ‘Edens’ and ‘Hells’. This sits below the tree Yggdrasil which stretches up far above, in whose upper realms does reside the ‘upper gods’. Far below close to Pandemonium is a focal point of ‘lower gods’. This area is effectively the Lost Realms zone.
This brings together multiple mythologies into a logical abstract notion.
Is Raxxla within this area? Obfuscated between other Edens?
Or if FDs ‘Milton’ reference in the recent Brookes Tours is accurate, then they are describing Eden when it hung from the walls of heaven. Similar to the first line in the codex, the jewel that burns upon the brow.
Within the current ‘abstract’ construct then, does Raxxla actually reside below the Lost Realms area, or does it sit upon its outer rim?
Does the area of the Lost Realms like John Miltons heaven, have a metaphorical boundary, a wall. Is this the hypothetical ‘mountains’ area?
If so, then does Raxxla sit relative in position to where Eden was hung from the walls of heaven. From that point of the fall of Satan?
Note there exists a system in game called Fall. If we link this with Pandemonium, it does align with the path between Demeter and Persephone. If this is the ‘correct’ location of the ‘fall’, ought we extrapolate this path downwards?
Oddly (?) these paths do follow the alignment of Yggdrasil in my opinion, they go right through the Lost Realm zone, and far below align with ‘Njoror’, an interesting Nordic deity linked potentially to the root Irish/old English language attributed to ‘paradise’, or ‘north’!
Not far off this location is the system Otohime, this is a Japanese Princess from the story folktale of Urashima Tarō, a story Micheal Brooke’s used for one of his Drabbles!!! Technically this is another example of a Lost Realm, where a person travels to an Otherworld.
Again as I have pointed out, this mystery utilities numerous sources, many with conflicting contexts, many with exact dimensions. It’s equally logical to presume, such theories are totally unrelated and Raxxla might not be anywhere near here, and these Lost Realms are simply a brilliant Easter Egg.
I have recently reached out to FD Support and presented all of my findings. To which they simply responded with a ‘no comment’.
Ought we look instead to highlight and have championed this Holdstock Easter Egg (irrelevant of Raxxla), what attention might this elicit, if it were intentional, ought it be getting some press coverage, or do FD not wish it to be highlighted because we’re actually right?
I suspect the path of the Brookes Tours has been intentionally placed to direct players attention to a set of systems which form a triad of goddesses. If you follow the mythological links between these and other systems, they do lead towards Avalon, and an area on the outermost rim of Yggdrasil. This is part of the Lost Realms zone.
My theory of the first leg of the tour is that it is not too intentionally leading us towards Raxxla, but it is a nudge, that we are upon the correct path. Something is in this area!
Again this general area also corresponds to the hypothetical path of the Sampo!
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10125313
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Tried jumping to Ross 54 a few times and the game crashes...
Don't you guys think lft 509 should be the key to finding raxxla.
I dont think we should be able to just stumble upon it without finding the dark wheel
I dont think we should be able to just stumble upon it without finding the dark wheel
Why that system, do you have a theory?
There are a lot of permit locked systems, even in the bubble, just curious as to why that one caught your attention
Why that system, do you have a theory?
There are a lot of permit locked systems, even in the bubble, just curious as to why that one caught your attention
From what i've read when fleet carriers launched, you could buy astronomical data from systems. even the permit locked ones.
a survey was concluded on all the systems and the only system of all the permit locked ones that met all the criteria for the existance of a hidden station was lft 509.
You can read more about this here:
LFT 509 and Witch's Reach - A call to identify the factions that issue the permits to these two systems (if any such faction exists)
LFT 509 and Witch's Reach - A call to identify the factions that issue the permits to these two systems (if any such faction exists) Factions and Systems within (TBD) light years of LFT 509 3) Once the list of factions in #2 has been established, we can then rule out any factions that...
Now. if this system was just some random system like any other there would be no reason not to inform the permit holder and "requisites".
thus my idea that one canno simply stumble into raxxla itself but has to rather make ther journey thru the dark wheel
Thanks for this infoFrom what i've read when fleet carriers launched, you could buy astronomical data from systems. even the permit locked ones.
a survey was concluded on all the systems and the only system of all the permit locked ones that met all the criteria for the existance of a hidden station was lft 509.
You can read more about this here:
Furthermore different from polaris in witch i was told that is not acessible a this time due to the permit not existing, i received a rather cryptic response from fdev thru the support channels in regards to LFT 509 permitLFT 509 and Witch's Reach - A call to identify the factions that issue the permits to these two systems (if any such faction exists)
LFT 509 and Witch's Reach - A call to identify the factions that issue the permits to these two systems (if any such faction exists) Factions and Systems within (TBD) light years of LFT 509 3) Once the list of factions in #2 has been established, we can then rule out any factions that...forums.frontier.co.uk
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Now. if this system was just some random system like any other there would be no reason not to inform the permit holder and "requisites".
thus my idea that one canno simply stumble into raxxla itself but has to rather make ther journey thru the dark wheel
Interesting indeed. I searched my old notes and found this post from reddit, which includes the "honest not hacked guv" LFT 509 system map, does that match what people got from the carrier bug?Your support reply is very strange. In the past have they been pretty clear about what is and isn't possible to get? I've seen several times references to Fdev outright saying when a permit isn't yet accessible.
LFT 509 is only 53ly from Sol - within the conceptual radius for an "early days" station, and on the leaks there's a gas giant with 8 moons (ish) - is there anything else to suggest the system is significant?
Just playing devil's advocate: There are 15 systems within 30ly of Sol which have Gas Giants with 8 moons. Beyond that radius I didn't look, but 8th moons aren't too uncommon. (Lacaille 8760 7 H , LHS 380 B 7 H, LP 816-60 4 H & 5 H, Struve 1321 A 4 h, LHS 3531 4 h , Carener AB 1 h, LAWD 96 2 h, LHS 417 6 h, NLTT 55164 1 h, Arangorii A 2 h, Minmar 9 h, CPD-28 332 ABC 1 h, V374 Pegasi A 3 h & A 4 h, Wolf 1329 3 h, Kappa-1 Ceti 1 h.)
But, I am in the bubble currently and I'm always up for getting permits to places, so if you've got any ideas I'm happy to give it a go
Edit so as not to make another reply: Just checked more notes: around the 8th moon of a gas giant in Shinrarta there's a "tourist beacon" that says this:
In many ways, Shinrarta better matches the location of the Dark Wheel. It's 64ly from Sol (reachable in the early days, but very far). It's got (a/the) Dark Wheel faction origin there, you can only get there if you're Elite, there's a bunch of "secret" info there about the PF and the Dark Wheel...
Assuming the Dark Wheel has really existed (as it says in the codex) since the early days to interstellar travel, then a system like Shinararta might be what you get after a thousand years.
I guess that's what I mean when I asked what else about LFT 509 is suggestive of the Dark Wheel location?
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Thanks for this info
Your support reply is very strange. In the past have they been pretty clear about what is and isn't possible to get? I've seen several times references to Fdev outright saying when a permit isn't yet accessible.
LFT 509 is only 53ly from Sol - within the conceptual radius for an "early days" station, and on the leaks there's a gas giant with 8 moons (ish) - is there anything else to suggest the system is significant?
Just playing devil's advocate: There are 15 systems within 30ly of Sol which have Gas Giants with 8 moons. Beyond that radius I didn't look, but 8th moons aren't too uncommon. (Lacaille 8760 7 H , LHS 380 B 7 H, LP 816-60 4 H & 5 H, Struve 1321 A 4 h, LHS 3531 4 h , Carener AB 1 h, LAWD 96 2 h, LHS 417 6 h, NLTT 55164 1 h, Arangorii A 2 h, Minmar 9 h, CPD-28 332 ABC 1 h, V374 Pegasi A 3 h & A 4 h, Wolf 1329 3 h, Kappa-1 Ceti 1 h.)
But, I am in the bubble currently and I'm always up for getting permits to places, so if you've got any ideas I'm happy to give it a go
the most important part is the system status on the galaxy map.
the system has no station on the map, but in the galaxy map it has an allegiance and population.
this is 3 years old but i still think there might be something there
Wrt LFF 509,
I wonder if wake scans from systems near LFT 509 from ships departing to LFT 509 could give any hints?
I wonder if wake scans from systems near LFT 509 from ships departing to LFT 509 could give any hints?
That's something we can try. I've not done much wake scanning but am I right in thinking that if you scan it you can then jump to the same location? If so... does that work if you don't have the right permits??
that does not work unfortunately
I was thinking more in the line of potential clues as to what faction(s) that have the permit...
Edit: If any...
Edit: If any...
That's why Ross 54 / HIP 34104 has interested me for some years and I keep coming back to it as it just seems wrong.....
I can search for them both and they appear as their own system in the galaxy map (Ross 54 being the main name), but you can't plot a route to them however you can try and jump to them but the game crashes for me.... and they both (Ross 54 & HIP 34104) are LFT 509 anyway......
Post from earlier in this thread "The System's stars are so far apart, many times longer distance than hutton orbital, that it appears to pointing at empty space."
Why Ross 54/HIP 34104 are noticeably not in LFT 509 (or why they exist at all on the galaxy map!) I don't know, but I agree it would be about .92 LY out from LFT 509 and somewhere good to hide a dark station or Raxxla?
When I raised a ticket about HIP 34104 not appearing in the galaxy map but still being searchable (https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/16947) the response was:
"STATUS BY DESIGN
Greetings commander, As this is a child star and not a system in itself, it will not appear in the galaxy map. Fly safe! o7"Could this be...
"As this is a child star and not a system in itself" - "A certain celestial body. Place that isn't a place"?
"it will not appear in the galaxy map." - "door that is also the key."?
The only other mention of LFT 509 in the game that I know of are in the release notes for the 1.2 Wings release where it mentions LFT 509 and two other systems.
N.B. I'm excluding the leaked pictures of the LFT 509 system through the Carrier exploit for purchasing system data!
1.2 Wings Release Notes: "Adding valuable salvage convoys to three permitted systems: LFT 509, Isinor, Witch's Reach"
Why add in valuable salvage convoys to a system you can't enter?
Outside of in game official FD LFT 509 references there was the turning the wheel exercise to get the Dark Wheel faction to expand in to LFT 509 (or grant a permit to the system by being within 20 LY) .... Which was admirable and failed to spawn anything..... (Which I thought needed the Pilots' Federation to be pushed out there myself
)It's also a bit weird you can buy the market data for it... Which i did
Then there's EDSM... Did CMDR IRREGULAR HUMAN honk and leave?
(going by the 1 celestial body recorded on there he went to the 7th Moon of an un-named gas giant! LMAO)
EDSM - Elite Dangerous Star Map
The Galactic Positioning System of Elite: Dangerous at your service.
www.edsm.net
Finally I have raised a ticket for not being able to plot a route to Ross 54 (and it not loading the star types in the info), feel free to try it and confirm it and it may get a response and whether it's by design or not! : https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/62106
Just some thoughts!
EDIT: Forgot this is cool.... LFT 509 - Sagittarius Eye
"Baddest Jerk Face's"
posts that are mentioned in the podcastSource: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/9swf1r/oh_look_tinfoil/
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/haxvri/lft_509dark_wheel/
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"1.2 Wings Release Notes: "Adding valuable salvage convoys to three permitted systems: LFT 509, Isinor, Witch's Reach"
Could this have been a hint to start off in Isinor which would unlock the permit for one of the two systems.....Funny enough Witch's Reach also has an 8th moon of a gas giant
on that note Isinor would have had no accessibles stations pre horizons
Could this have been a hint to start off in Isinor which would unlock the permit for one of the two systems.....Funny enough Witch's Reach also has an 8th moon of a gas giant
on that note Isinor would have had no accessibles stations pre horizons
Sol, Shinrarta, Polaris and LFT 509/Ross 54 are my main candidates for progressing the search for the DW and/or Raxxla... Sol is a bit broken and has lots of possible links/hints, Shin Rez has a DW faction and locked until you are Elite, etc, Polaris is locked and has been part of the lore before...... but LFT 509/Ross 54 is broken in many ways and wrong for many weird reasons... ;-)
That's why Ross 54 / HIP 34104 has interested me for some years and I keep coming back to it as it just seems wrong.....
I can search for them both and they appear as their own system in the galaxy map (Ross 54 being the main name), but you can't plot a route to them however you can try and jump to them but the game crashes for me.... and they both (Ross 54 & HIP 34104) are LFT 509 anyway......
Post from earlier in this thread "The System's stars are so far apart, many times longer distance than hutton orbital, that it appears to pointing at empty space."
Why Ross 54/HIP 34104 are noticeably not in LFT 509 (or why they exist at all on the galaxy map!) I don't know, but I agree it would be about .92 LY out from LFT 509 and somewhere good to hide a dark station or Raxxla?
When I raised a ticket about HIP 34104 not appearing in the galaxy map but still being searchable (https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/16947) the response was:
"STATUS BY DESIGN
Greetings commander, As this is a child star and not a system in itself, it will not appear in the galaxy map. Fly safe! o7"
Could this be...
"As this is a child star and not a system in itself" - "A certain celestial body. Place that isn't a place"?
"it will not appear in the galaxy map." - "door that is also the key."?
The only other mention of LFT 509 in the game that I know of are in the release notes for the 1.2 Wings release where it mentions LFT 509 and two other systems.
N.B. I'm excluding the leaked pictures of the LFT 509 system through the Carrier exploit for purchasing system data!
1.2 Wings Release Notes: "Adding valuable salvage convoys to three permitted systems: LFT 509, Isinor, Witch's Reach"
Why add in valuable salvage convoys to a system you can't enter?
Outside of in game official FD LFT 509 references there was the turning the wheel exercise to get the Dark Wheel faction to expand in to LFT 509 (or grant a permit to the system by being within 20 LY) .... Which was admirable and failed to spawn anything..... (Which I thought needed the Pilots' Federation to be pushed out there myself
It's also a bit weird you can buy the market data for it... Which i did
Then there's EDSM... Did CMDR IRREGULAR HUMAN honk and leave?
(going by the 1 celestial body recorded on there he went to the 7th Moon of an un-named gas giant! LMAO)
EDSM - Elite Dangerous Star Map
The Galactic Positioning System of Elite: Dangerous at your service.
View attachment 372443
Finally I have raised a ticket for not being able to plot a route to Ross 54 (and it not loading the star types in the info), feel free to try it and confirm it and it may get a response and whether it's by design or not! : https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/62106
Just some thoughts!
EDIT: Forgot this is cool.... LFT 509 - Sagittarius Eye
"Baddest Jerk Face's"
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/9swf1r/oh_look_tinfoil/
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/haxvri/lft_509dark_wheel/
ok i confirm trying to jump to ross 54 crashes the game
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What and where is the brow of heaven?
I knew ‘the brow’ had some relevance in Paradise Lost but couldn’t initially place it, until a recent re-read. Within the segment of book VI describing the war in heaven, and the expungement of Satan to hell, this area is described as being upon the brow of heaven.
Remember that later in Paradise Lost, when Satan is traversing back up through Chaos to find Paradise. The character Chaos tells Satan Paradises exact location, in being that same area as from whence his band of fallen angels were first excluded.
“To that side Heav'n from whence your Legions fell”.
In book VI describing the war in heaven this location is described as being the brow of heaven.
‘Go, Michael, of celestial armies prince,
And thou, in military prowess next,
Gabriel, lead forth to battle these my sons Invincible; lead forth my armed Saints, By thousands and by millions, ranged for fight, Equal in number to that Godless crew Rebellious: Them with fire and hostile arms Fearless assault; and, to the brow of Heaven Pursuing, drive them out from God and bliss, Into their place of punishment, the gulf Of Tartarus, which ready opens wide His fiery Chaos to receive their fall’ -John Milton Paradise Lost book VI.
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Later in Paradise Lost our pendant world is described as hanging below the circumference of heavens wall, and a very specific zone, which as various scholars might identify, was a particular side of heaven, or a particular gate of heaven.
So given the various allusions to Miltons Pendant world in game, first by the codex of it as a jewel ‘burning on the brow’, then within the Brookes Tours and a direct Milton quote about this shining pendant world; I can summarise that FD is very likely referencing this same location described from Paradise Lost, the brow of heavens encircling wall, the edge of heaven.
Raxxla therefore is being described I believe as being upon the brow / egdge of some ‘metaphorical’ boundary or wall of some type of a heaven, or as I have already potentially identified, via my Lost Realms discoveries, maybe this is some alternative Robert Holdstock ‘otherworld’?
Has the wall of heaven been transcribed to the boundary of the Lost Realms? Or does it still reside close to the original first fall of Satan, much higher up? If so why all this emphasis on the Lost Realms within the codex? If that is the correct interpretation?
I knew ‘the brow’ had some relevance in Paradise Lost but couldn’t initially place it, until a recent re-read. Within the segment of book VI describing the war in heaven, and the expungement of Satan to hell, this area is described as being upon the brow of heaven.
Remember that later in Paradise Lost, when Satan is traversing back up through Chaos to find Paradise. The character Chaos tells Satan Paradises exact location, in being that same area as from whence his band of fallen angels were first excluded.
“To that side Heav'n from whence your Legions fell”.
In book VI describing the war in heaven this location is described as being the brow of heaven.
‘Go, Michael, of celestial armies prince,
And thou, in military prowess next,
Gabriel, lead forth to battle these my sons Invincible; lead forth my armed Saints, By thousands and by millions, ranged for fight, Equal in number to that Godless crew Rebellious: Them with fire and hostile arms Fearless assault; and, to the brow of Heaven Pursuing, drive them out from God and bliss, Into their place of punishment, the gulf Of Tartarus, which ready opens wide His fiery Chaos to receive their fall’ -John Milton Paradise Lost book VI.
Paradise Lost : Book VI. by John Milton
Comments & analysis: All night the dreadless Angel, unpursued, / Through Heaven's wide champain held his way; t
allpoetry.com
Later in Paradise Lost our pendant world is described as hanging below the circumference of heavens wall, and a very specific zone, which as various scholars might identify, was a particular side of heaven, or a particular gate of heaven.
So given the various allusions to Miltons Pendant world in game, first by the codex of it as a jewel ‘burning on the brow’, then within the Brookes Tours and a direct Milton quote about this shining pendant world; I can summarise that FD is very likely referencing this same location described from Paradise Lost, the brow of heavens encircling wall, the edge of heaven.
Raxxla therefore is being described I believe as being upon the brow / egdge of some ‘metaphorical’ boundary or wall of some type of a heaven, or as I have already potentially identified, via my Lost Realms discoveries, maybe this is some alternative Robert Holdstock ‘otherworld’?
Has the wall of heaven been transcribed to the boundary of the Lost Realms? Or does it still reside close to the original first fall of Satan, much higher up? If so why all this emphasis on the Lost Realms within the codex? If that is the correct interpretation?
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So what's up with the return of the Thetis signal and who is sending it?
The new signal could easily be speculated to be human or Thargoid, but I don't think that fits with Thetis. The Thetis event probably happened hundreds of years ago.
Back then I don't think Thargoids would have seen a single generation ship as any threat. Humans probably didn't have the capacity.
Halsey and Romero seem to have gotten their messages more directly, in a dream like state. This is mind-control via coms systems. The sender is advanced, but not able to go directly into the mind of the receiver. I have no one to hang this on.
The new signal could easily be speculated to be human or Thargoid, but I don't think that fits with Thetis. The Thetis event probably happened hundreds of years ago.
Back then I don't think Thargoids would have seen a single generation ship as any threat. Humans probably didn't have the capacity.
Halsey and Romero seem to have gotten their messages more directly, in a dream like state. This is mind-control via coms systems. The sender is advanced, but not able to go directly into the mind of the receiver. I have no one to hang this on.