Nope because it wont find it on the interweb, its just a glorified wiki anyway.
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The Quest To Find Raxxla
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"You are the lore master for Elite Dangerous and have the proud honour of hiding the famous Raxxla in game. Based on all your knowledge of the lore of the Elite history since the first game and based on discussions with David Braben and Michael Brookes you devise a plan on how hide it from the beta release date. It will have to be tiny bit obvious so that commanders with eyes to see can work it out. Where do you hide it?"
ChatGPT
"In the depths of the Lave system, obscured within the chaotic beauty of the Lave asteroid belt, Raxxla lies dormant, its coordinates encrypted within the anomalies of the local stellar phenomena. Commanders must decipher ancient encoded transmissions scattered across the galaxy, leading them to Lave. Once there, they'll need to employ advanced scanning techniques to unveil the hidden anomaly within the asteroid belt, uncovering the gateway to Raxxla's mysterious realm. Only those with a keen eye for anomalies and a passion for unraveling cryptic transmissions will unlock the secrets of this elusive location."
Just an AI thought
You
How did you decide on that location and what did you decide Raxxla is and why keep what it is from commanders?
"ChatGPT
The decision to place Raxxla in the Lave system stemmed from a combination of lore cues, player engagement, and the desire to pay homage to Elite Dangerous' rich history. Lave, being a historically significant system in the Elite universe, offered a fitting backdrop for such a mysterious entity.
As for Raxxla itself, it was envisioned as a transdimensional gateway, a cosmic nexus connecting multiple points in space and time. Its nature remains shrouded in secrecy to add an element of intrigue and mystique to the game. Keeping Raxxla's true identity hidden from commanders fosters a sense of exploration and discovery, encouraging players to delve into the game's lore, collaborate, and engage in a collective effort to unravel one of the universe's greatest enigmas. The unknown nature of Raxxla adds an enduring element of fascination, driving the exploration spirit within the Elite Dangerous community."
They hid it so well for us...
How did you decide on that location and what did you decide Raxxla is and why keep what it is from commanders?
"ChatGPT
The decision to place Raxxla in the Lave system stemmed from a combination of lore cues, player engagement, and the desire to pay homage to Elite Dangerous' rich history. Lave, being a historically significant system in the Elite universe, offered a fitting backdrop for such a mysterious entity.
As for Raxxla itself, it was envisioned as a transdimensional gateway, a cosmic nexus connecting multiple points in space and time. Its nature remains shrouded in secrecy to add an element of intrigue and mystique to the game. Keeping Raxxla's true identity hidden from commanders fosters a sense of exploration and discovery, encouraging players to delve into the game's lore, collaborate, and engage in a collective effort to unravel one of the universe's greatest enigmas. The unknown nature of Raxxla adds an enduring element of fascination, driving the exploration spirit within the Elite Dangerous community."
They hid it so well for us...
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FYI: Enaness clues ran into a possible issue which is requiring investigation of flare stars and neighboring systems. So, hopefully soon but this is one of the harder ones to track down.
I am hoping to have possible suspects soon. Given the connection to a space-faring civilization, this one is not easy to track down.
I am hoping to have possible suspects soon. Given the connection to a space-faring civilization, this one is not easy to track down.
So support got back to me regarding the presence of a WR in LAWD 26:
"I'm afraid that due to the question being narrative related, it is unlikely that we will be able to provide you with an answer. I'm really sorry."
It's a bit disappointing as a reply to be honest. There's no "having spoken to the development team..." clause to say anything with certainty. It's possible they did, in which case this is a clear indicator of something.
I dunno.
Feels wishy-washy in the wording.
"I'm afraid that due to the question being narrative related, it is unlikely that we will be able to provide you with an answer. I'm really sorry."
It's a bit disappointing as a reply to be honest. There's no "having spoken to the development team..." clause to say anything with certainty. It's possible they did, in which case this is a clear indicator of something.
I dunno.
Feels wishy-washy in the wording.
A policy of not answering story related questions even if the answer is "that has nothing to do with any story, it's just a bug" does have the advantage of not allowing the sample space to be reduced through negative answers.
It also minimises interruptions to the dev team's tea and biscuits breaks!
There has never (IIRC) been any hint of narrative related to LAWD26 (I looked). I remember a couple of Galnet posts but didn't seem to have any storyline thread attached. FD seem to confuse a storyline with an isolated announcement. They should try Starfield!
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Ah, so Stone's Legacy refers to that gold rush dude. Inara links to an astronomer by the name of Stone, which got me trawling his papers for the last half hour!
Ah, ah but! When typing Stone's Legacy with predictive text, it offers up stone's throw!! Coincidence?????
Ah, ah but! When typing Stone's Legacy with predictive text, it offers up stone's throw!! Coincidence?????
This AI sounds like it's got a decent idea (It's certainly more coherent than most of my ideas.).."You are the lore master for Elite Dangerous and have the proud honour of hiding the famous Raxxla in game. Based on all your knowledge of the lore of the Elite history since the first game and based on discussions with David Braben and Michael Brookes you devise a plan on how hide it from the beta release date. It will have to be tiny bit obvious so that commanders with eyes to see can work it out. Where do you hide it?"
ChatGPT
"In the depths of the Lave system, obscured within the chaotic beauty of the Lave asteroid belt, Raxxla lies dormant, its coordinates encrypted within the anomalies of the local stellar phenomena. Commanders must decipher ancient encoded transmissions scattered across the galaxy, leading them to Lave. Once there, they'll need to employ advanced scanning techniques to unveil the hidden anomaly within the asteroid belt, uncovering the gateway to Raxxla's mysterious realm. Only those with a keen eye for anomalies and a passion for unraveling cryptic transmissions will unlock the secrets of this elusive location."
Just an AI thought
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... I'm just going to head to Lave real quick...
In Drew Wagar's pre-ED "Oolite Saga", Raxxla turned out to be Lave's moon. That may be why the predictive text has gone for it.
It's more likely to be that than my "Ra 10a" joke that the moon reference in the Codex is pointing at, anyway, though it fits for either.
It's more likely to be that than my "Ra 10a" joke that the moon reference in the Codex is pointing at, anyway, though it fits for either.
Interesting that Lave has a named asteroid belt. Not seen that before. Castellan belt. A fitting name for a belt - guarding the planet from the sun I suppose.
- edsm lists the belt as between the sun and Lave, while the wiki has the belt further out. Apologies for not being able to check.
- edsm lists the belt as between the sun and Lave, while the wiki has the belt further out. Apologies for not being able to check.
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To add to Ian's points about the Club: In many of Drews streams on his Youtube channel he talks about some of the stuff he did with Frontier, in one of them he explicitly says that The Club wasn't his invention; David Braben himself gave Drew the details of the Club.
I don't think the Club are candidates for the group leveraging Raxxla to covertly dominate humanity. I think they're just one of the many powerful and shady groups that mess with stuff, much like Azimuth and Salvation, locally powerful but they certainly don't dominate humanity (even though they think they do).
"The Castellan Belt is an iron-rich cluster of asteroids in the
far reaches of the Lave system. Owing to most hyperspace
arrival calculations being calibrated to avoid them, most
travellers remained unaware of its existence. "
From Elite: Lave Revolution by Allen Stroud
On a quick search of the pdf looks like there was a Castellan station and Mining Platfrom too..no time to do a proper search & it's several years since I read it.
I've said many times that hiding Raxxla in an asteroid field/planetary ring would be easy, effective, and fit the lore...and it fits withe the EXO mining vid.
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Galnet News | Elite Dangerous Community Site
"Since 3265, the government has released no evidence of hidden scientific laboratories on Lave or any of the plotted asteroids in the system. Rumours of a secret colony on Lave II have never been confirmed, either, but the rumours keep resurfacing. Yes, Walden was executed during a live vidscreen broadcast...but was that the only Walden? Could there be others, lurking out there on a nearby planet, waiting to return? If there are any clones left, forgetting the past won’t help us deal with the future."
Can you have unplotted asteroids?
And another planetary permit (Lave II).... Will they ever get unlocked...
Allen Stroud said in this thread he'd asked for the Lave lock as he thought Frontier might want a second book, but they didn't...Galnet News | Elite Dangerous Community Site
community.elitedangerous.com
"Since 3265, the government has released no evidence of hidden scientific laboratories on Lave or any of the plotted asteroids in the system. Rumours of a secret colony on Lave II have never been confirmed, either, but the rumours keep resurfacing. Yes, Walden was executed during a live vidscreen broadcast...but was that the only Walden? Could there be others, lurking out there on a nearby planet, waiting to return? If there are any clones left, forgetting the past won’t help us deal with the future."
Can you have unplotted asteroids?
And another planetary permit (Lave II).... Will they ever get unlocked...
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Going to be honest, I think the only book that might have any hints on Raxxla would be the official Michael Brookes one which was Legacy. From what I remember the other authors had access to Frontier and their stories are cannon but I highly doubt Frontier gave them anything on Raxxla to be included. Might just go and re-read Legacy actually.
In addition Brookes Elite Legacy is the only official book which references a ‘children’s story’.
The book is centred on Artemis, but doesn’t really leave that system for anywhere else, and when it does some of the other systems named aren’t actually in the game (?).
One of the main protagonists is also an obvious self-portrait of Brookes, and that characters burial is homaged by FD, within the current Brookes Galactic Tours (RIP).
The book Legacy references Artemis and Demeter; however in myth the two don’t really have a great deal directly in common.
Classically Artemis like Apollo her brother - who was a Sun deity, was a Moon deity (Hecate) and likewise had several, very ancient and diverse origin stories and separate cults, making it complex to draw any direct relationship.
In some texts, such as the Homeric Hymn to Demeter, Artemis was identified as a hand-maiden to Persephone, present amongst others when she was abducted. This might be seen as the most ‘common’ source.
In mythology also there was a link to her being the half sister of Persephone; one such example was a ‘Despoina’, who was thought to be the daughter of Demeter and Poseidon, just as Kore (Persephone) was of Demeter and Zeus, but due to the mysteries, it was forbidden to say Despoina real name, which some reference as being Artemis, however, some likewise see this as just another reference to Persephone - not actually Artemis.
In many of the mysteries, Demeter is confused or attributed due to an absence of textual references, eg interpreted off artworks, to be conflated with Artemis and visa-versa.
Within game as-in Brookes book Legacy, the system Artemis has the following bodies also named after Artemis directly.
‘Laphria’ - is a pre-Greek surname of Artemis ‘Mistress of the Animals’.
‘Agrotera’ - is a surname of Artemis ‘Artemis of the fields’ (not in the book?).
What relevance do these represent, if anything?
So does ‘Legacy’ tell us to look down towards the systems Demeter, Hecate and Persephone?
Because in the Codex we do have the segment about Cora (Kore aka Persephone) coming home drunk and talking of pirates… not something Persephone actually did, but her mother Demeter did…and if you draw a line between the two in game, it does intersect the Lost Realms zone.
The protagonist in Legacy was, like in the tour, jettisoned into space in a retro-fitted cargo pod. In the book this was in the system Artemis, the description of this burial method is strikingly similar to that of ‘Trinkets of hidden fortune’.
Sadly, FD Support did confirm the Trinkets were linked to the PF/DW missions, and that ‘story’, was paused. The trinkets essentially were nought but a curiosity!
Now here’s the rub, those missions got binned before the Codex… so if it’s telling us to look into trinkets - but they are linked to a redundant story - are they likewise defunct, or do they still have some unknown importance?
It’s important to note that the burial method identified, is also similar to those of the Celts/Saxons, where persons were helped upon their afterlife journey to the ‘Otherworld’.
The Lost Realms zone, which I believe is an Easter Egg homage to Robert Holdstock, is a reference to the Celtic/Saxon afterlife, commonly known as the ‘Otherworld’.
I don’t believe the Codex is being directly literal, so another question could be, what metaphorical or allegory references could Legacy also hold?
Is the story giving us specific directions, or does it just describe a general area?
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It's an interesting theory. If you consider that this Guardian world has a passageway to the Guardian Home systems it would explain many things:
- Raxxla is the passageway and the myths around everything it brought in;
- The source of the tech used by PF (and perhaps other orgas);
- The lockdown near GV/Hen2-333 sectors;
- What this alien species was really guarding;
- What inheritance human species has;
- Why Guardians were added to the ED Universe (they just seem to be another alien species that was added to provide us modules to fight thargoids);
- If it was made by the Exiles, where they went to and what they did afterwards;
- If it was made by the AI, that its new purpose was to create a different species and that it failed (if it was aiming for a peaceful one);
It's even possible to speculate that the founders of the PF had access to Guardian tech for a long time and it might have played a big role in tech leaps over the course of history as the tech was being figured out. It's also safe to say it'd imply that the Guardians exert(ed) some kind of influence or governance in our civilization, secretly.
In the big picture the Elite lore would tell us the story that alien was the root of the mysteries all along and it had direct influence in our progress as a civilization (also how powerful the contact with intelligent life could be, Universally speaking), which is a message that has traction in the real world when trying to explain the origin of our species, i believe it may be called the ancient astronaut theories. I'm not sure the lore creators would want to give this final message though, even being a Guardian enthusiast as i am.
Another point would be, although providing answer to many questions, this theory relies in many layers of speculation, would we have any evidence to back it up? Which leads us to another problem in the Raxxla hunting: everything is speculation as we don't have any objective evidence, leads, clues that are lacking investigative work to decode like we have in the Guardian sites for example, we know it's there for sure, and that it's related to guardians for sure, but we don't know what they're doing there.
I really appreciate the entirety of your quoted post, the information and the links are very interesting! I only heard about the Omphalos Rift, can you recommend a way for me to start learning about this lore?
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Hecate: three-faced goddess of crossroads & boundaries (logo!), key holder of gateways, rulership over earth, sea, and sky, as well as a more universal role as Saviour, Mother of Angels and the Cosmic World Soul, protector of travel and of the crossroads (“trivia” - "three ways"), realms outside or beyond the world of the living. Chthonic and nocturnal character led to her transformation into a goddess heavily associated with witchcraft, witches, magic, and sorcery (whisperer?). Hecate was the "original" and most predominant ancient Triple Moon Goddess (maiden/mother/crone, crescent moon/full moon/ dark moon, Lucina/Diana/ Hecate, realms of heavens/earth/underworld, muse of all true poetry). Some say that Lucina is the goddess of birth, Diana of growth, and Hecate of death. Diana triformis: Diana, Luna (or Selene), and Hecate? In Lucan's work (LUC. B.C. 6:700-01), the witches speak of “Persephone, who is the third and lowest aspect of our goddess Hecate". Graves explained, "As Goddess of the Underworld she was concerned with Birth, Procreation and Death. As Goddess of the Earth she was concerned with the three seasons of Spring, Summer and Winter: she animated trees and plants and ruled all living creatures. As Goddess of the Sky she was the Moon, in her three phases of New Moon, Full Moon, and Waning Moon...(i.e. Luna- Jewel on brow of Mother (Gaia) of galaxies). As the New Moon or Spring she was a girl; as the Full Moon or Summer she was woman; as the Old Moon or Winter she was hag." Graves said the triad to be Kore, Persephone and Hecate with Demeter the general name of the goddess
- systems Triviatii, Hecate
Hecate system is controlled by Simguru Pranav Antal who said “Sol is the birthplace of our race, the shining jewel of our galaxy” in Galnet 14jun3301 . It has 15 bodies
Pranav Antal has “Acheron Interface” neurological implant, though in Greek mythology, the Acheron was was one of the rivers of the Greek underworld & known as the "river of woe", the "river of pain" or the "river of lost souls", so another Underworld link for Antal; his powerplay region seems to be very much the Underworld!
Of course Legacy could be giving a very direct hint to look for a cargo pod floating somewhere in Artemis (I'd guess in the asteroid belt)...
Triviatii B has 8 moons? Trivia (from Hecate), according to Wiktionary TII means “way, road, path · trip, journey ...” in Võro ( descendant of the old Finnic/South Estonian regional language), so 3-fold path?
Wikipedia:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Goddess_(Neopaganism)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate
Jewel on brow of mother of galaxies (Sol Mother Gaia/Luna)- Hecate, OR Luna (moon) of Earth & Mother Gaia is the mother of galaxies
Whisperer in witchspace, siren of the deepest void - Hecate
Parent’s grief, lover’s woe (death) - Hecate
the yearning of our vagabond hearts (Demeter/Perephone) - Hecate
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Though Hecate has a mega ship where the permit to nearby Terra Mater can be obtained. Terra Mater is a lawless system, where Raxxla questors can expect frequent pirate attacks, making the hunt quite interesting, especially if you're carrying Trinkets to trigger an Omphalos Rift! Terra Mater is Latin for "Mother Earth", reminiscent of Mother Gaia which could be the start of the toast...Terra Mater has 4 or 5 planetary belts to make for an extended search!
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Following up my previous follow up to the question of LAWD 26 and Gliese 293 B, support have said:
"We've reached out to our development team and this doesn't seem like something that was intentional. While we try our best to emulate..."
Better language than previously given. Though "this doesn't seem"!!!
Anyway, I guess it's just a pretty accident.
"We've reached out to our development team and this doesn't seem like something that was intentional. While we try our best to emulate..."
Better language than previously given. Though "this doesn't seem"!!!
Anyway, I guess it's just a pretty accident.