What if we got something to do with the Thargoids that wasn't just killing them?

Kira Goto

Kira Goto
CMDR ROGER said:
And why would they care about us until recently?
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Because… an intelligent species usually doesn’t just spontaneously decide to waste resources in genocide/total extermination for no reason?

One could also view it from the standpoint that they didn’t bother dealing with something that was not a serious threat to the species/‘hive’ at all until we threw weapons of mass destruction at them twice.
 
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Kira Goto said:
… because I don’t know, an intelligent species usually doesn’t just spontaneously decide to waste resources in genocide/total extermination for no reason?

One could also view it from the standpoint that they didn’t bother dealing with something that was not a serious threat to the species/‘hive’ at all until we threw weapons of mass destruction at them twice.
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Given their gun-toting behaviour inside the bubble before, how can you be sure they don't view the entire galaxy as their territory that needs taking from us? If they don't like bug repellant, they probably shouldn't be treating us like pests in our own territory. And if they did have the capacity for peace and treaties, they wouldn't have spent the last decade pulling vessels out of hyperspace instead of figuring out communication.
 

Greasetrap42

Greasetrap42
CMDR ROGER said:
Given their gun-toting behaviour inside the bubble before, how can you be sure they don't view the entire galaxy as their territory that needs taking from us?
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In the Elite Dangerous game and lore that goes with this game, when were Thargoids in human space (bubble) shooting weapons? --> prior to the very recent events

Admittedly there are probes in systems with Ammonia Gas Giants, which gives evidence they are likely aware of our existence.
 

Greasetrap42

Greasetrap42
Kira Goto said:
One could also view it from the standpoint that they didn’t bother dealing with something that was not a serious threat to the species/‘hive’ at all until we threw weapons of mass destruction at them twice.
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A cautious race might either exterminate, enslave, or domesticate a species showing signs of rapid development that could potentially become a threat. Thargoids did neither implying they really didn't care.

The Thargoids have sensors in every system with an Ammonia Gas Giant, so it is reasonable to assume they were aware of Human development over the last 500 years. There appears to be no other space faring sentient race in our galaxy... so we would stand-out as quite unique.
 

CMDR ROGER

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Greasetrap42 said:
In the Elite Dangerous game and lore that goes with this game, when were Thargoids in human space (bubble) shooting weapons? --> prior to the very recent events
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If we want to discuss OOC and meta like heretics, the only part of Elite (1984) that doesn't seem to have any bearing on the canon as a whole is the weird galaxies thing. Other than that, Lave et al are in Elite 2, First Encounters and Elite Dangerous as they were in Elite which indicates to me we can trust the events of E'84, and the Thargoids weren't exactly peace lovers there. And that happened inside what we'd call the bubble now.

Greasetrap42 said:
Its not until Humans crossed a pretty big line that Thargoids reacted leading to current events.
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¯\(ツ)/¯
 

Greasetrap42

Greasetrap42
CMDR ROGER said:
If we want to discuss OOC and meta like heretics, the only part of Elite (1984) that doesn't seem to have any bearing on the canon as a whole is the weird galaxies thing. Other than that, Lave et al are in Elite 2, First Encounters and Elite Dangerous as they were in Elite which indicates to me we can trust the events of E'84, and the Thargoids weren't exactly peace lovers there. And that happened inside what we'd call the bubble now.
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Please re-read my post. I am playing Elite Dangerous, not Elite 1984. Please provide me a screenshot of Thargoids in human space bubble (from before very recent events).

Or point me to lore that pertains to the Elite Dangerous game that clearly states Thargoids were in the bubble shooting weapons.
 

CMDR ROGER

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Greasetrap42 said:
Please re-read my post. I am playing Elite Dangerous, not Elite 1984. Please provide me a screenshot of Thargoids in human space (from before very recent events).

Or point me to lore that pertains to the Elite Dangerous game that clearly states Thargoids were in the bubble shooting weapons.
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Or first tell me when Fdev renounced Elite 1984 from canon, because so far I only see evidence it happened in the same continuity.
 

Rainbro

Rainbro
Greasetrap42 said:
Please re-read my post. I am playing Elite Dangerous, not Elite 1984. Please provide me a screenshot of Thargoids in human space (from before very recent events).

Or point me to lore that pertains to the Elite Dangerous game that clearly states Thargoids were in the bubble shooting weapons.
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Oh, they have been in the past, pre-Proteus. Several months after the powers invaded the Pleiades, declared total war on the Thargoids, started shooting every Thargoid in sight, and then also had some covert group start luring the Thargoids into the bubble with covert convoys of Thargoid tech and manmade Transmitter beacons to get the Thargoids to attack the marked stations to retrieve their technology.

kind of weird they felt the need to do all that actually if the bugs are evil actually, hmm
 

angusmadmac1

angusmadmac1
At least in the original game you could give the thargoids the antidote .
I mean it's not not like we are competing for the same planet types and we only need meta alloys to fight the thargoids ?
It went well for the guardians who were killed by their own AI who thought the thargoids were a better option ?? And the cry will be " we were innocent we didn't do Nuffin honest Guv"
 

galahad2069

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Greasetrap42 said:
Please re-read my post. I am playing Elite Dangerous, not Elite 1984. Please provide me a screenshot of Thargoids in human space bubble (from before very recent events).

Or point me to lore that pertains to the Elite Dangerous game that clearly states Thargoids were in the bubble shooting weapons.
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Or first tell me when Fdev renounced Elite 1984 from canon, because so far I only see evidence it happened in the same continuity.
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You can dock at a very popular station named after the protagonist from that game, you can go ask his great-granddaughter do some engineering for you, and you can literally visit the wreck of his crashed Cobra for some juicy mats in the current game. :)
 

Rainbro

Rainbro
CMDR ROGER said:
Or first tell me when Fdev renounced Elite 1984 from canon, because so far I only see evidence it happened in the same continuity.
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Jack Winter said:
AFAIK (it was stated informally during a convention by a Frontier developer), the only canon is what is in the game, the codex and Galnet.

Don't try to infer something from the older games or the fan fiction books..
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Yeah, we can't assume material from older games is canon, but that doesn't mean it has to be different in Dangerous either. There definitely aren't 8 galaxies or cat people in Dangerous canon for example, whatever 1984 says. But Veliaze is still referenced, even if it maybe didn't involve thirty motherships like FFE says. The general overarching themes seem to be the same, if not the specifics. Anything of specific importance to Dangerous should be referenced in some way by Dangerous anyway, you'd hope.

I would still include the Elite Dangerous novels, because they explicitly were canon at the time of release and I don't see any reason for that to have changed, but that's a different debate. I think there's a good chance the conversation you're referencing didn't differentiate between the Dangerous novels and the novels for previous games like 1984 and FFE.
 

Rainbro

Rainbro
CMDR ROGER said:
Perhaps finding ways to counteract their hyperdiction technology?
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Not sure how any of what I listed would help with that. It evidently didn't work, anyway, and it seems a bit shortsighted to deliberately trigger attacks to make hyperdictions less of a concern.
 

Greasetrap42

Greasetrap42
Rainbro said:
Oh, they have been in the past, pre-Proteus. Several months after the powers invaded the Pleiades, declared total war on the Thargoids, started shooting every Thargoid in sight, and then also had some covert group start luring the Thargoids into the bubble with covert convoys of Thargoid tech and manmade Transmitter beacons to get the Thargoids to attack the marked stations to retrieve their technology.
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Fair enough and very interesting. A very isolated incident with unusual circumstances.

That is the only reference I have ever heard of Thargoid ships in Human space (bubble) prior to the recent events. Regarding the game Elite Dangerous. I have never seen any other reference to encounters or incidents in the bubble. Humans had to travel outward from the bubble to discover, meet, interact, fight... whatever with Thargoids.
 

Jack Winter

Jack Winter
Rainbro said:
Yeah, we can't assume material from older games is canon, but that doesn't mean it has to be different in Dangerous either. There definitely aren't 8 galaxies or cat people in Dangerous canon for example, whatever 1984 says. But Veliaze is still referenced, even if it maybe didn't involve thirty motherships like FFE says. The general overarching themes seem to be the same, if not the specifics. Anything of specific importance to Dangerous should be referenced in some way by Dangerous anyway, you'd hope.

I would still include the Elite Dangerous novels, because they explicitly were canon at the time of release and I don't see any reason for that to have changed, but that's a different debate. I think there's a good chance the conversation you're referencing didn't differentiate between the Dangerous novels and the novels for previous games like 1984 and FFE.
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The point being made was that the only canon that exists is what's in game and what is published by galnet.
 

galahad2069

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Jack Winter said:
AFAIK (it was stated informally during a convention by a Frontier developer), the only canon is what is in the game, the codex and Galnet.
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OK, not gonna bother to look up Galnet articles, but here's what the very canon Codex has to say about them:
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Apparently we are not going to have long conversations about tantric Buddhism or classical Greek love poetry with them. :)

They are a threat to us, we are a threat to them, armed conflict has always been inevitable (and actually it's already going on, with them playing the role of aggressor).
Kill 'em all, so that we can finally forget them.
 
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Rainbro

Rainbro
galahad2069 said:
OK, not gonna bother to look up Galnet articles, but here's what the very canon Codex has to say about them:
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Apparently we are not going to have long conversations about tantric Buddhism or classical Greek love poetry with them. :)
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Correct. The war is due to the powers invading the Pleiades, and the Thargoids are not interested in negotiations over their territory. The powers have shown no interest in leaving Thargoid territory, so I can only assume they value it more than the lives lost by continuing the war. So here we are.
 
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