It's just a crazy theory, but maybe also demonstrates how little we know.
But IMO it's no longer relevant, now they're at our doorstep and hostile so best to just kill them all with extreme prejudice.
What if we got something to do with the Thargoids that wasn't just killing them?
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But IMO it's no longer relevant, now they're at our doorstep and hostile so best to just kill them all with extreme prejudice.
In very specific areas which are easily avoided at the moment. They’ve also abandoned the Kingfisher’s location, by all looks. And you might remember that Taranis passed by the Kingfisher not long before the aggressive Thargoids were around there. HIP 22460 and the invasion zone… do those even need an explanation?
That recording will have been elsewhere than those three. Specifically, the nav indicator on the bottom left says it’s in the Etain system, which is basically right in the Bubble near two Far God cult settlements (the fate of which is not entirely certain). And they’re non-hostile if you don’t give them a reason to be bothered.
Yes, do the Thargoids not want PX commanders shooing enemies away from their capital ship? A much better analogy would be fighting for the Feds in a hi-CZ and their own capital ship begins firing on both the Imps and your own team mates. It's obvious to me they're either incredibly stupid for a species that can hang around in witchspace and create stable wormholes, or they are incredibly aggressive and don't even want PX humans fighting for them.
They don't need to be portrayed as a warmongering species by PF, that's what they portray themselves. They are literally attacking the Bubble right now.
They are big, dangerous and hostile and they have never shown any sign of interest in communicating, let alone negotiating peace.
That's enough to treat them as a serious threat, it's not even necessary to mention that they are also caustic, toxic, most probably smell awful, and even the Holy Church of Saint Greta would agree that the greenhouse gases they emit are a big environmental hazard and greatly contribute to galactic warming.
If you were under attack and the enemy started fighting itself, would you take sides or would you shake your head and consider them extremely stupid?
Let's reverse. Suppose that in the thick of an AXCZ around a station some peculiar thargoid ships arrive (maybe they're colored differently than the usual ones, say, blue and pink instead of browns and greens) that then start fighting other thargoid ships (the brown and green ones). How many AX commanders you'd think would not shoot every single 'goid in the instance, whatever the color, because a 'goid is a 'goid, "I'm from Buenos Aires!" and it's a warzone?
Also, out of curiosity I once followed a Cyclops around a megaship in Pleiades. It completely ignored me and only shot at the megaship when the megaship started shooting, and even then not always. It didn't shoot indiscriminately, but did very precise surgical attacks on a turret doing shooting. Once the turret went down, the 'Clops simply continued its patrol until another turret opened fire. The whole affair didn't look like mindless aggression at all:
I don’t think it’s fair to expect the Thargoids to consider differences within human society they may not even be aware of, especially during war, and toward their drones which while intelligent, are not a human level of intelligent and also operating on orders of the (sapient) queens.
So I don’t think one would care to make the difference between the Krait MKII which is firing at the Titan and the other one that isn’t but also could be, if it was told “Defend the Titan”.
So I don’t think one would care to make the difference between the Krait MKII which is firing at the Titan and the other one that isn’t but also could be, if it was told “Defend the Titan”.
"Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake."
That should be well known by any half developed species at war.
That happened only because they are also cowards, they did not want to take the risk of opening fire in the abscence of their Titan class motherships.
Although I must admit, they have some good qualities as well. For example, they can be decent, law abiding citizens.
I remember when Thargoid interceptors first appeared in this game (was it in 2017? or 2018? something like that) a friend of mine made the effort to kite a Cyclops from an USS to a station (that was something like a 500 or 1000 km long trip in normal space). The Clops went aggro on everyone in the instance, but it immediately stopped shooting as soon as it had entered the no fire zone.
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I would rather like to see the powers reaction to any Thargoid vessels that attacked other Thargoids and left humans alone. Somehow I doubt we'd happily let them wander around in our warzones and outside our important structures, because duh, what if it's a trick and they're spying or carrying some new weapon we don't know about. We shoot on sight.
Same goes the other way around.
Same goes the other way around.
Now that is stupid, considering soldiers on your side the enemy. It's unknown if the Thargoids are that stupid or just the analogy here, but it remains clear they're not acting to ensure any kind of peace or ceasefire
It would be very convenient of me to answer "they'd shoot", wouldn't it? But given humans tend to be a tad smarter and given the imminent enslavement of humanity if the Titans aren't taken care of, I'd have to answer "most of the AX pilots there would take the defectors' help".
That statement lacks context and thus you may be right or wrong in your conclusion about who drew first blood.
IIRC, and I may not, in Elite 1984 Thargoids hyperdicted a player and then drew blood. That may be very different from drawing first blood.
If they wanted to attack, as advanced as they were, they could have attacked isolated human settlements that are unable to defend themselves.
Instead they attacked ships that used whitchspace. Occum's razor implies their issue is with humans using whitchspace, not with humans existing on planets or traveling within a solar system.
It is possible we drew first blood by using a particular type of jump drive for hyperspace travel.
In any case, I enjoy ax combat much more than combat the neutered npc pirates offer.
But to categorically state they drew first blood in Elite 1984 simply lacks context.
Then I consider the context in FFE and ED and can't help having ambivalent feelings when I slaughter them.
Occam's razor implies their issue was that even the most isolated human settlements could possibly send multiple ships after them, so they just chose to hyperdict a single ship at a time that was 100% sure on its own.
Fair, however it was stated in one of the frameshift lives by the story devs that it is in fact fuel/material. (i do see what you mean)I've often speculated that we're going to their mating grounds and stealing their embryos (meta alloys)..
Whether the thargoids in the pleiades are the same as in the bubble i can not tell you tho, so not all mysteries are solved.
Cyclops may be a kind of scouts or not on top of the food chain, or a very old and more docile version and therefore not the sharpest spoon.
That is both endearing and hilarious.
Context always matters. -such as when thargoids breed a new kind to not only vacuum, but also prevent humans from not being brought to the titans.
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There is a difference between their in-universe behaviour and their behaviour as it is programmed into the game.
In-Universe there are basically no Pro-Xeno people because those who are pro-xeno are either insane cultists like the Far God people, or anybody who is Pro-Xeno gets tracked down and arrested/killed by the superpowers for not toeing the line of "All xenos bad mmk?"
Ikr? It was immensely comedic to me that AX pilots love to chest-pound and brag about how tough they are, but after about 2 days of not immediately taking back all territory when the war started, they were outcrying for massive nerfs because the WAR felt too unfair
Honestly at this point I'm mostly convinced you're just trolling for the sake of it...That happened only because they are also cowards, they did not want to take the risk of opening fire in the abscence of their Titan class motherships.
Although I must admit, they have some good qualities as well. For example, they can be decent, law abiding citizens.
I remember when Thargoid interceptors first appeared in this game (was it in 2017? or 2018? something like that) a friend of mine made the effort to kite a Cyclops from an USS to a station (that was something like a 500 or 1000 km long trip in normal space). The Clops went aggro on everyone in the instance, but it immediately stopped shooting as soon as it had entered the no fire zone.
I would like to believe that nobody can be as blatantly hypocritical as you but you're certainly trying to prove me wrong
Addressing your "Cyclops may be a kind of scout" - They have those already, the Thargoid Scouts.
Now... if we ignore the fact that Megaships are invincible except for specific components. The Cyclops only shooting missile turrets (which can't even hit it) seems more akin to the Interceptor gently slapping away the weapon saying "Stop it, it doesn't even work."
Along with that, their whole patrolling the Megaships thing seems to be that they're just kinda looking around for any Thargoid stuff to salvage from the Megaships that are transporting their stolen property
Maybe we can make peace with Nyarlethotep or great Cthulu or Yog-sothoth or any other cosmic horror beyond human comprehension while we're at it.
The Thargoid are an extra-dimensional race that live in witch-space for all we know, and take what they want where they want it. They've never made peace, even with the Guardians that were, ostensibly, far more advanced and civilized than Humans at the time of the their Thargoid war.
Let's face it, boys. Thargoids are the boogyman and there's no making friends no matter how peacenik you want to be about it.
The Thargoid are an extra-dimensional race that live in witch-space for all we know, and take what they want where they want it. They've never made peace, even with the Guardians that were, ostensibly, far more advanced and civilized than Humans at the time of the their Thargoid war.
Let's face it, boys. Thargoids are the boogyman and there's no making friends no matter how peacenik you want to be about it.