Why is console still being ignored

[Tel Prydain]

Call it cope if you'd like, but it's almost a plus to have a Xbox environment without p2w ships flying about.

I was furious when they stopped support for console, but looking at PC over two years we haven't missed that much. Maybe that mood will change with PP2, but at the moment it does feel like ED is just trying to keep it's head above water.

 

[Joesan66]

Not to mention the game description on the Xbox store is a blatant lie

Call it cope if you'd like, but it's almost a plus to have a Xbox environment without p2w ships flying about.

I was furious when they stopped support for console, but looking at PC over two years we haven't missed that much. Maybe that mood will change with PP2, but at the moment it does feel like ED is just trying to keep it's head above water.

By purposely shutting themselves out of a huge market ???

Call it cope if you'd like, but it's almost a plus to have a Xbox environment without p2w ships flying about.

I was furious when they stopped support for console, but looking at PC over two years we haven't missed that much. Maybe that mood will change with PP2, but at the moment it does feel like ED is just trying to keep it's head above water.

 

[Northpin]

By purposely shutting themselves out of a huge market ???

If it was a huge market than had given them huge sales and profits - they would had kept it.
Since they didnt - one can only conclude that simply it was not worth for them, financially, to port the game to consoles

 

[Agony_Aunt]

They just announced legacy will be able to buy the new ship via Arcx so maybe this was with console in mind. TBD

Honestly after taking advantage of the full copy to PC I've never looked back due to playing with VKB flight sticks but even if they came back to console it would be PS5 and Xbox Series X only so your end up spending money to buy the game again...or in some cases buying a new console and a game so I think they can leave it as is.

I enjoy jumping on Xbox (classic ED) as I call it from time to time but the PC version with Odyssey even in a basic PC is far better if you copied over.

Sorry, that was bad info in part spread by me. I confused legacy with Horizons live.

 

[RBHM Spoons]

Personally I'm still convinced that today's Series S and X Xbox Consoles even the PS5, could run the Horizon Live servers. Nevermind Odyssey I couldn't care less for space legs, and to top it off. Full fledged cross play between all platforms.

The potential player count from retuning console players?

And coz it's FDEV... MONEY....to the game?

I don't know about you guys but I've the smallest glimmer of hope, they actually do something for us console players.

Unlike others out there...I'm not made of money and cannot afford a PC.

I miss trading, community goals, engaging in the lore
Meeting new commanders
Being pirated by players
PvP

All this stuff is now practically looking for a needle in a haystack.

Trading for example on legacy servers? Tch yeah, little difficult now there's no sites at all that cover legacy trade routes and commodity's markets.
Community goals are just "Kill thargoids in this location" over and over and over and over again every single week.

PvP... If you're not in a FDL don't bother basically on consoles for those who are still actively PVPING on consoles...


I'm GENUINELY convinced Horizon Live could run on current gen consoles, couldn't care less about space legs. I just simply want to enjoy playing a game I fell in love with back in 2015.

 

[varonica]

Personally I'm still convinced that today's Series S and X Xbox Consoles even the PS5, could run the Horizon Live servers. Nevermind Odyssey I couldn't care less for space legs, and to top it off. Full fledged cross play between all platforms.

Again, this keeps being stated over and over, there's no practical difference between Horizons live and Odyssey, they are the same thing only with restriction on Horizons subscribers. You still get all the new planets, you still get all the new settlements, you still get all the legs stuff in the game, it's just that you can't use it if you are a Horizons player. Sometimes Horizons players get missions to go to Odyssey planets by mistake, just a bug, but the code for each game version is identical, so if the consoles could run Horizons live then they could run Odyssey, if they can't, well they can't!

 

[Markov Chaney]

By purposely shutting themselves out of a huge market ???

All markets are huge. Some are addressable.

To Northpin's point - you need to think in terms of PROFIT, not REVENUE.

Why don't you ask CDPR how Cyberpunk 2077 went on console? What do you think would happen to FDev if they spent that level of money and crunch?

 

[varonica]

Why don't you ask CDPR how Cyberpunk 2077 went on console? What do you think would happen to FDev if they spent that level of money and crunch?

They would be bankrupt in a week, or maybe less.

 

[Northpin]

All markets are huge. Some are addressable.

To Northpin's point - you need to think in terms of PROFIT, not REVENUE.

Why don't you ask CDPR how Cyberpunk 2077 went on console? What do you think would happen to FDev if they spent that level of money and crunch?

CDPR marketing budget for CP2077 was bigger than what ED made in 6 years
CP2077 is not a niche game either like ED is

 

[Spaceman-FXL5]

O7

Everytime I see John Cleese in the see-through 'pac-a-mac' I crease up.
You could carry this folded up 'pac-a-mac' in your pocket IIRC.

 

[DjVortex]

Legacy, regardless of whether it's PC or Console, as mentioned above, is done. The end. Koniec. El Fin. Das Ende. La Fin.

That doesn't mean Odyssey could not be ported for the consoles. They would be perfectly capable of running it fine.

 

[rootsrat]

That doesn't mean Odyssey could not be ported for the consoles. They would be perfectly capable of running it fine.

No.

 

[DjVortex]

No.

What do you mean no?

The RDNA 2 architecture on the PS5 is approximately equal to, and in fact slightly faster than a Radeon RX 6700, which is about the same as an RTX 2080 Super. The PS5 also has an 8-core AMD Zen 2 based CPU approximately equivalent to an AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, which is faster than eg. an Intel Core i9-9900K.

Are you telling me that's not enough to run Odyssey?

 

[rootsrat]

What do you mean no?

The RDNA 2 architecture on the PS5 is approximately equal to, and in fact slightly faster than a Radeon RX 6700, which is about the same as an RTX 2080 Super. The PS5 also has an 8-core AMD Zen 2 based CPU approximately equivalent to an AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, which is faster than eg. an Intel Core i9-9900K.

Are you telling me that's not enough to run Odyssey?

No, as in clearly FDEV gave up on the idea. So no - it couldn't be ported unless FDEV wants to try again. But it is quite obvious that this ship has sailed, regardless if it's technically possible to run Ody on the current gen consoles.

You're basically beating a dead horse here. Let it rest in peace and enjoy Legacy while it lasts.

 

[thistle]

What do you mean no?

The RDNA 2 architecture on the PS5 is approximately equal to ....

But they weren't trying to port it to the (at the time) next gen consoles, they were explicitly trying to port it for the last gen console user base they sold Horizons to.

And they aren't going to try now to jump over those consoles and start again with the current ones. Would it work? Who knows. We won't find out.

 

[varonica]

But they weren't trying to port it to the (at the time) next gen consoles, they were explicitly trying to port it for the last gen console user base they sold Horizons to.

And they aren't going to try now to jump over those consoles and start again with the current ones. Would it work? Who knows. We won't find out.

Yeah, at the time it had to run on both versions of consoles because of constraints imposed by the console makers, that is the existing base of users on old consoles would simply be stopped from playing the game if it was changed to run on the updated console and since they payed for the game through whatever service the console makers were providing having the game suddenly stop working was a no go.

Of course now that there are two versions, Odyssey and Legacy, they could take the time and spend the money to port Odyssey to the new consoles and leave legacy on the old, but since the new generation of consoles is only a small part of the entire installed base it then comes down to whether or not it's worth it. Let's ask the question, would all players of legacy rush out and buy the new console, then pay for the "new" game through whatever service the console makers provide? Probably not.

Another thing, would the console makers be happy with that approach? What people don't seem to be taking into account here is that we are dealing with two separate companies with license agreements and restrictions on what can be done. Without knowing all the details of those, it's all very well saying it could technically be done, but would it be legal according to current agreements between the two companies. That's something only FDEV and the console makers can answer.

 

[DjVortex]

But it is quite obvious that this ship has sailed, regardless if it's technically possible to run Ody on the current gen consoles.

You write as if there would be some kind of insurmountable barrier making it impossible to port Odyssey to the consoles and thus it's useless to even suggest it.

Let's ask the question, would all players of legacy rush out and buy the new console, then pay for the "new" game through whatever service the console makers provide? Probably not.

Over 50 million PlayStation 5 units have been sold. The potential userbase is enormous. And Odyssey already costs money to purchase. You write as if Odyssey were a free expansion, and making it commercial on the consoles would be preposterous, and nobody would buy it. People are already buying it on PC, very much including those who had only Horizons before.

 

[rootsrat]

You write as if there would be some kind of insurmountable barrier making it impossible to port Odyssey to the consoles and thus it's useless to even suggest it.

Because it is useless to suggest it. It's been suggested a million times. FDEV are very clearly not interested in it. Considering their current circumstances, it would seem to me they won't be interested in it for a very long time.

It's not happening.

 

[DjVortex]

Because it is useless to suggest it. It's been suggested a million times. FDEV are very clearly not interested in it. Considering their current circumstances, it would seem to me they won't be interested in it for a very long time.

I don't think it's useless. If people keep asking for it for long enough, and they continue to see it for years and years, they might start reconsidering it.

On the contrary, if people stop asking for it, they may take that as a sign that people aren't interested, only reinforcing their decision.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is currently stuff in the game that was implemented precisely because people kept asking it long enough, which wouldn't exist if people had stopped.

 

[metatheurgist]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is currently stuff in the game that was implemented precisely because people kept asking it long enough, which wouldn't exist if people had stopped.

That would explain why the game is so lackluster, no primary vision. Just a bunch of comittee hacks.