The Open v Solo v Groups thread
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Other player groups go go great length to organize get togethers for their respective purposes. And yet a certain subset of players is content with just the lowest effort to find other players's ships to make them go boom, brazenly claiming to "seek the challenge of a human opponent" while at the same time just going for the low hanging fruit of attacking the weakest enemy they can find - the new player going to grandma Farseer for the first time, possibly being unaware of even the existence of gankers or the danger of going there in open.
I am aware this may only be anecdotal, and for sure I am just Grandpa Simpson yelling at clouds, but within my limited experience with going to places like Deciat, Sol or ShinDez in open, often I only see gankers attack the weaker players, while running from each other (in the rare case they are not teaming up against the weaker players to make the challenge even greater).
I am not saying all PvPers are gankers, and I am aware that there is some effort being made by some to organize proper PvP events (what happened to San Tu as the "PvP hub" - not enough easy targets?), but claiming to be a "true PvPer" and not a ganker (honestly, ma!) and simultaneously stating that Deciat is the place to go because "that's where people to shoot at are" is just... lame.
Quite a few PvPers (not all, mind you) exude just such a whiff of superiority over all the carebears, forum dads and cowards hiding in solo and PG, and yet the only way to get some action is to go to the newbie spots? Either those are really a tremendously lazy bunch of slackers, of this is either just highly hipocritical or just plain lying.
Exactly. It's purpose, its core idea, has always been dynamic content of pvp using the powers as teams the players pledge to.
It's quite clearly labelled on the start menu that players may attack you... so that excuse died years ago.
Also you cannot tell the experience level of another player really, as only combat rank is exposed to others. They may be Elite in every other field...
If there's a good, time-efficient way to find powerplay opponents to fight I'd love to hear it...
The location players choose to go to find players to fight has nothing to do with their targets precieved competency, it's simply a numbers game in system traffic (otherwise why is Shinrarta a gank hotspot?)
And yet, after over nine years and a large scale revamp, OOPP still hasn't happened. Seems somewhere along the way someone had a change of heart what the "core idea" actually is.
I responding to the post saying Powerplay had nothing to do with PvP which is clearly inaccurate.
Too much time was needed doing BGS to keep it anarchy to avoid accidents involving bounties because it was constantly under attack to stop it being anarchy. Players gave up trying so decided they might as well went back to spots with the highest player count in open (Deciat, Shin Dez, CG systems) for PvP.
Core idea has never changed. Otherwise there would be no system in place designed to put opposing players into the same locations, doing opposing activities, as the main way the powers compete against one another. If the core design changed, then maybe you could say the core idea changed, but the core idea is still in tact.
But those systems generally aren't anarchy either. So I'd imagine doing PvP there faces the same challenges as in a non-anarchy San Tu.
I think we might have a different idea about what "core idea" means. Edit: Unless we're falling into the old trap of confusing symmetrical and asymmetrical PvP. Yes, PP is intrinsically asymmetrical PvP at its core. What it's not: Shooty shooty bang bang at its core.
Deciat is basically first step to engineering your ship. I COULD go there and rack a kill count. Not that I would want do such thing but I own a fighting FDL.....
The core way the feature functions, is designed to put opposing players into direct conflict. by narrowing the play space into key objectives (systems the powers have or are competing to acquire)
Incorrect because you're still competing against other players. Unlike bgs, if the players do nothing then the feature no longer functions.
Yes, but but once San Tu loses its reason for being, why not go back to those high traffic systems? What's possibly keeping players there when there's more players to be found elsewhere.
See my edit above. I agree to a point in that it is designed to put opposing players into indirect conflict.
Funny thing btw how peacefull Shin Dez is when you fly FDL or engineered Cutter.....
Man y'all cannot stop shadow boxing "muh gankers"
Per the video, it was designed to put us into direct conflict, with powers as teams. No aspect of the feature itself was changed with 2.0 regarding that.
Well somehow all those hollow triangles just let me be
Funny...