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You are a one man crusade, aren't you?

I wouldn't mind having more fixes and more of everything but I am also aware that they have been back to work for 8 days now and have released a few patches since then. The only one not showing respect in this thread is you.

How about you save you breath to cool your porridge, calm down and post when you have a more constructive attitude?

So to offer a 57 million credit ship for just over 51 million then charge you the 57 million leaving you with no credits to safely work it is constructive to game play is it sunshine.

Not a one man crusade more a one woman crusade so don't make gender assumptions.

It has nothing to do with the amount of time the Devs have been back at work it has to do with M.B. 's answer to others who have also asked about the discount being refunded.

Just to educate you, as you don't seem to be able to follow the full reasoning behind these complaints, after offering a discounted price at Jameson Memorial when you press buy you were charged the full price which you didn't know would happen until you paid out. M.B. has stated here there are no plans to give those that were cheated by a faulty game system the difference between what the offer for the ship was and what was actually paid. It is only game credits but those credits represent many hours of game play.

So how about you save your breath and stop criticizing those of us looking for a proper resolution to the problem. Which is a refund of the failed discount.
 
What if someone sell a ship from the Founders world now ? Does the system "know" that I did not got the discount due to the bug in the first place and use the original value for the calculation or do I get some "double punishment" because the system gives me only the sell value based on the discounted price, because it don't know that I payed the full price because of the bug ? That would be really bad, because I would have been "robbed" when buying the ship and get robbed again when selling it.
I would suspect that after the "Founder World Exploit" where people were buying modules and selling them at a profit elsewhere, FD have double and triple checked the implications of modifying the ship price, and that whatever the buy/sell prices of those ships are, it is entirely what is intended, and both non-exploitable, and non-punishing.

I'd be very disappointed at anything other than that to be honest.

-- Pete.
 
It was always stated that the discounted ship prices listed in Founders World were an error, and that they should be charged at full price (which they were, which was indeed different from the listed price). The listed price was the bug, not the price charged.

Then FD made a decision that instead of changing the displayed prices to match what is charged (the same as everyone was paying everywhere) that they would reduce the actual price in Founders World to match the displayed price. This is (should be?) excellent news for everyone who has access to this station (Kickstarter Backers, some lucky/bugged Alpha/Beta backers, and anyone reaching Elite status in any category).

However, just because the price changes now, that doesn't mean that it is retrospectively changed for all past purchases, and it is not reasonable to expect this. If they change the prices of any given weapon or equipment at any time then I don't expect them to retroactively change the price anyone who ever bought that item will have paid.

I know I've paid full price for ships that were listed as discounted, but that the displayed price was the bug, not the price I paid. I also know that in future I will have the benefit of having cheaper ships available.

In other words: Suck it up Buttercup.

-- Pete.

Where was it stated please? Daisy. Oh yes and if it was a bug then how simple would it have been just to withdraw all ships from sale at Jameson until it was fixed. Instead of allowing players to drift in unaware and get cheated.
 
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Got the game running as of last night. played about 8 hours of lots of fun. With the patch, Combat demo runs, but not the main game.

Surprising, and a little frustrating.
 
So to offer a 57 million credit ship for just over 51 million then charge you the 57 million leaving you with no credits to safely work it is constructive to game play is it sunshine.
I suspect that if you are leaving yourself with 'no credits to safely work' when charged 5.7 mil more than you expected for a 57 mil ship, then you were setting yourself up for trouble in the first place - I wouldn't even consider buying a ship unless I had double the asking price, so I could afford to even think about dropping half-decent modules into it.

-- Pete.
 
...Not a one man crusade more a one woman crusade so don't make gender assumptions...

I stopped reading here. In my experience it goes downhill once something like gender gets needlessly involved.

But good luck with your intentions. Might I suggest a more helpful attitude and maybe fine tuning your vocabulary a bit - cheating and disrespectful somehow does not feel appropriate
 
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So to offer a 57 million credit ship for just over 51 million then charge you the 57 million leaving you with no credits to safely work it is constructive to game play is it sunshine.

Not a one man crusade more a one woman crusade so don't make gender assumptions.

It has nothing to do with the amount of time the Devs have been back at work it has to do with M.B. 's answer to others who have also asked about the discount being refunded.

Just to educate you, as you don't seem to be able to follow the full reasoning behind these complaints, after offering a discounted price at Jameson Memorial when you press buy you were charged the full price which you didn't know would happen until you paid out. M.B. has stated here there are no plans to give those that were cheated by a faulty game system the difference between what the offer for the ship was and what was actually paid. It is only game credits but those credits represent many hours of game play.

So how about you save your breath and stop criticizing those of us looking for a proper resolution to the problem. Which is a refund of the failed discount.

No. Discount was on equipment. Nicely extended to ships now. What more?
 
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You obviously don't work in coding if you think any rollback is simple :)

I think the word rollback is better suited with restore, but yes restores cause other issues that need to be consider.
I just wish they state the size of the patch while on the update console would be nice.

Keep up the good work FD's
 
These are the ones accompanying this client release. Andy did a separate thread for the updates in 1.04.

Michael

Thanks for mentioning this, I had wondered what happened to that. I didn't see it at the time because I now realise that his announcement was placed in the Support forum rather than the News and Updates forum (for "News and Announcements") that I had been keeping an eye on and where it has been announced in advance :)

Perhaps when something that is relevant across forums, a thread could be created in both with one hyperlinking to the main one?

Cheers for the continued support,
Sparkie
 
Where was it stated please? Daisy
Somewhere on the forums. Unfortunately I don't archive the URL to every post I ever read, so I'd need to search for it.
I'm sure you're equally able to use the search tool, and given that you are the one who wants to know, I'll let you do the donkey work.

-- Pete.
 
I would suspect that after the "Founder World Exploit" where people were buying modules and selling them at a profit elsewhere, FD have double and triple checked the implications of modifying the ship price, and that whatever the buy/sell prices of those ships are, it is entirely what is intended, and both non-exploitable, and non-punishing.

I'd be very disappointed at anything other than that to be honest.

-- Pete.

So what if there is a bug with selling ships bought at Founders World and we get robbed twice. Should we just suck it up this time around too? How much robbing does it take for you to not just say "suck it up"?
 
About the ships are discounted in founder planets.

So wealthy players can just buy the most expensive ship for discount and sell them in nearby station for profit to buy a eagle to fly back again and repeat it all over? That would suck

You are not aloud to do that
 
It's the silence that kills...

I sure believe it feels like silence, but in all honesty, have you seen how many answers Michael Brookes gives out every day? Sometimes there is just a minute between two posts...

People need to calm down a little. Even if the devs don't explain every little part of what they are working on right now in detail, they still give more feedback than the average forum user might be aware of.

Just look at Michaels profile and click at "recent posts". It looks like he is trying to answer as many questions as he can (even though - sadly - mine are not among those that get considered for a response :( ).
 
Somewhere on the forums. Unfortunately I don't archive the URL to every post I ever read, so I'd need to search for it.
I'm sure you're equally able to use the search tool, and given that you are the one who wants to know, I'll let you do the donkey work.

-- Pete.

I see so you make a statement quoting an unfounded source then expect me to find it for you. Sorry I don't think so.
 
I suspect that if you are leaving yourself with 'no credits to safely work' when charged 5.7 mil more than you expected for a 57 mil ship, then you were setting yourself up for trouble in the first place - I wouldn't even consider buying a ship unless I had double the asking price, so I could afford to even think about dropping half-decent modules into it.

-- Pete.

Some people like risk I guess :) I admit I did it once or twice & it paid off for me but if you stuff up you have to take in the chin.
 
I see so you make a statement quoting an unfounded source then expect me to find it for you. Sorry I don't think so.
Well, wouldn't you know - I had already repented, and went looking before you even posted that...
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=93710&p=1457109&viewfull=1#post1457109

Not sure what else there is, I've got better things to do than other people's research, and besides, that fact remains that the price paid was as intended before, and as you paid what FD intended for you to pay then there's no reason to refund it.

-- Pete.

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And several days ago, it was stated that this change would be coming in this exact way:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97392&p=1514019&viewfull=1#post1514019

And that retroactive discounts would not be applied:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97392&page=2&p=1514662&viewfull=1#post1514662
 
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