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Why is it that Obsidan Ant's coverage of the video gets me hyped for SC and hopefully, but CIGs presentation just made me think this is doomed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bvOTqolIYg

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CIG always go way over the top: Chris will wave his hands around and yell "Nobody does anything this! It's really amazing!" (and half the time it's something Fdev did better years ago): I then take a closer look and decide it's actually a bit pants (example in this thread is the zoom to the station, where Chris is waxing lyical about the station rings rotating, because fidelity and draw distance: I went back, looked closely and it's just static. Allowing for graphics, FFE did that way better).

OA, on the other hand, just appreciates the bits that *are* there, which is a lot easier to get your head around ("Look at the sunset": Yeah, quite nice actually) so I don't automatically write them off...

Sadly, even OA can't sell SC to me in it's current state...

But you're right, maybe it's a British thing: I do sarcasm much better than hype (better than most things, in fact).
 
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What's the average monthly salary of a middle dev in places like Austin and Manchester? Anyone know? (And of course, its only going to give a very rough estimate of salaries, not even covering other operational expenses. I seem to recall one CFO stating (depending on the business of course) that staff salaries only counted for about 1/3 of monthly expenditure.

UK dev salary is probably 2/3 of US dev salary.

I once worked for a startup and you very quickly burn through what sounds like a lot of cash just with salaries when you work it out. I could easily believe that they have money problems, if not now on the horizon.

Remember employees cost to the company is more than just salary it is like +20-30% other expenses, hidden taxes, insurance, benefits, employee development, etc.
 
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Initially I thought the 60 million dollar price tag for the motion capture parts of the game was overblown and ridiculous.

But they're claiming there's 20+ hours of it, so we're talking 3 million per hour of motion capture. That to me still sounds expensive until you consider that they commissioned the Imaginarium studio for the job. They're the motion capture house, part owned by Gollum himself, so 3 million an hour starts to sound very believable. Most Hollywood megabudget films won't have much more than an hour or so of mo-cap shots, let alone 20 or more!

If CIG really have blown that much money on this, or even half as much you can't really blame them for not wanting to show anything that's less than perfect.

The fact that they seem to made such a hash of it is a disaster. And not only that, that longer it takes them to sort it out the more it's costing them.
 
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CR needs to hire Obsidan for Europe marketing team ;)
But I guess, most money is coming for US...so focus is US market...

that would be a mistake for OA to get entangled into that mess. With the reputation CIG has I would stay as far away as possible.
 
that would be a mistake for OA to get entangled into that mess. With the reputation CIG has I would stay as far away as possible.
Also with claims that streamers have gotten paid for positive SC coverage without disclosing it publicly, which is violation of the law in US.

Also I believe OA is just strong believer in space games and won't just ponder to one base. That's what makes people subscribed to him.

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Initially I thought the 60 million dollar price tag for the motion capture parts of the game was overblown and ridiculous.

But they're claiming there's 20+ hours of it, so we're talking 3 million per hour of motion capture. That to me still sounds expensive until you consider that they commissioned the Imaginarium studio for the job. They're the motion capture house, part owned by Gollum himself, so 3 million an hour starts to sound very believable. Most Hollywood megabudget films won't have much more than an hour or so of mo-cap shots, let alone 20 or more!

If CIG really have blown that much money on this, or even half as much you can't really blame them for not wanting to show anything that's less than perfect.

The fact that they seem to made such a hash of it is a disaster. And not only that, that longer it takes them to sort it out the more it's costing them.
Yeah, 60M figure puts a lot of this in perspective. And if those mocaps are botched...this is really harsh situation to find themselves into.
 
Same shill that pretty much wet himself at the Gamescon trailer and stated as total fact that because you could see through the windows there were no instances - no instances at all! it's all one instance!

He's an idiot who knows nothing, simple as. Someone hired to play the everyman to let us know what to think. I dunno why anyone would post his stuff it's embarrassing for the project.
 
Same shill that pretty much wet himself at the Gamescon trailer and stated as total fact that because you could see through the windows there were no instances - no instances at all! it's all one instance!

He's an idiot who knows nothing, simple as. Someone hired to play the everyman to let us know what to think. I dunno why anyone would post his stuff it's embarrassing for the project.

To keep the hype train rolling, however the hype train is running out of fuel, right now they are burning the furnitures and everything else that can get into the burner.
I find it funny, when FD released the first trailer everyone was shouting FAKE!! YOU CAN"T DO THAT IN THE GAME!! well no that is true, thus the "not in game footage"

However SC show something that take ages or even never get into the hands of the players are praised to the sky! Weird.
 
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Initially I thought the 60 million dollar price tag for the motion capture parts of the game was overblown and ridiculous.

But they're claiming there's 20+ hours of it, so we're talking 3 million per hour of motion capture. That to me still sounds expensive until you consider that they commissioned the Imaginarium studio for the job. They're the motion capture house, part owned by Gollum himself, so 3 million an hour starts to sound very believable. Most Hollywood megabudget films won't have much more than an hour or so of mo-cap shots, let alone 20 or more!

If CIG really have blown that much money on this, or even half as much you can't really blame them for not wanting to show anything that's less than perfect.

The fact that they seem to made such a hash of it is a disaster. And not only that, that longer it takes them to sort it out the more it's costing them.

It's still wildly out of the park. Imaginarium's entire turnover for last year was a shade under £2.3 million: how CIG managed to burn $60 mil is anyone's guess.
 
This my idea was a joke, I think OA is not going to work for CIG, but if he does than we can start to call him a sellout ;P

True it would not be a wise decision. Too much dirt stick to CIG right now.
However I do agree that FD really need to make the content and the environment on the atmospheric planets really really good!
 
It's still wildly out of the park. Imaginarium's entire turnover for last year was a shade under £2.3 million: how CIG managed to burn $60 mil is anyone's guess.
On the other hand, £2.3M for an entire year of what's supposed to be a high-priced/high-brand studio does itself seem… off. And it's not like it's a new studio — they were involved with Ryse, which came out 3 years ago. So what on earth is going on there?
 
Ah but Roberts can achieve anything! Look at... er... erm. OK I dunno.

It's still wildly out of the park. Imaginarium's entire turnover for last year was a shade under £2.3 million: how CIG managed to burn $60 mil is anyone's guess.
would the actor's fees show up on imaginarium's books?
 
It's still wildly out of the park. Imaginarium's entire turnover for last year was a shade under £2.3 million: how CIG managed to burn $60 mil is anyone's guess.

Good point, but that 60 mil wouldn't have just been paid to Imaginarium, there's the people paid to invent a new language, the fees for the actors (probably the biggest outlay), all of the dev work that has taken place pre and post shooting etc.

The raw mo-cap data itself is probably the most sound part of the whole deal, seeing as they would have paid top dollar and did get the best in the business to do it, everything else though........
 
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Ah but Roberts can achieve anything! Look at... er... erm. OK I dunno.


would the actor's fees show up on imaginarium's books?

I'd assume not, so there's a chunk to allow there. But $55 mil for ~20 hours? I should have paid more attention in drama class! :eek:
 
To keep the hype train rolling, however the hype train is running out of fuel, right now they are burning the furnitures and everything else that can get into the burner.
I find it funny, when FD released the first trailer everyone was shouting FAKE!! YOU CAN"T DO THAT IN THE GAME!! well no that is true, thus the "not in game footage"

However SC show something that take ages or even never get into the hands of the players are praised to the sky! Weird.

That's because dreams are almost always better than reality. Its like elections, people get all excited about the same stupid promises that get made every 4 years and then act all surprised when they realize they have been conned afterwards. Honestly some folks cant be helped. This diagram should be given to every potential SC backer before they hit the pledge button:

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On the other hand, £2.3M for an entire year of what's supposed to be a high-priced/high-brand studio does itself seem… off. And it's not like it's a new studio — they were involved with Ryse, which came out 3 years ago. So what on earth is going on there?

Depends how you look at it. 2.3 mill for owning a room full of cameras and some lycra suits is a pretty sweet deal (Once you you figured out how to actually use the things...)
 
I'd assume not, so there's a chunk to allow there. But $55 mil for ~20 hours? I should have paid more attention in drama class! :eek:
If I was an actor's agent faced with Roberts' confidence and a 3-film/game long job and a whole load of fundng with questionable chances of completion I'd be asking for the fee for all three upfront to secure the role

After all he wouldn't want a person changing into someone else 2/3rds of the way in right? And there's so much money etc
 
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