Special Treatment & Favouritism?

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So in order to be noticed we need to lobby Frontier and be part of a big group? M'kay.. We can't just play the game?

Clearly not the case given that you have had the opportunity to raise your concerns with FD prior to starting this thread. That and that at least one person from the company is actively reading the thread.
 
As we (Radio Sidewinder) got mentioned by the OP I feel that I should respond. Lave Radio started before us, so that is probably why they got their little in-game reward (the orange sidewinder). Radio Sidewinder was/is probably seen as the upstarts that copied someone else's idea - although we are different and role play everything. Lave certainly have better connections in FD than I do so I also guess that is part of it. Personal relationships are bound to play a part in these things.

But I don't think FD has favourites. I just put the lack of "rewards" down to them being very busy, having a large customer base, with lots of different groups all doing great things. Perhaps some groups shout louder than others as well? (note to self: must shout louder)

It's not really possible for them to do something special for every group anyway - they are trying to build a game after all!

Fly safe all - oh... and listen to Radio Sidewinder ;)
 
Ah, decals, such a dissapointing topic. I really don't mind that they do decals for some groups doing something cool like distant world, Fuelrats and whatnot. What does bother me is that they only make those exclusive decals and don't do any decals for a normal peasant like me. Last time they did that was the ones on the Cobra Onienhead Paintjob and that was a long time ago.

A bit of love for commoners here and there couldn't hurt, I'm even willing to pay for it and I don't think I'm the only one.
Well said Bomba. I am in agreement with you. Exclusive decals just for groups is a thing I'm cool with but adding more decals that are accessible for everyone would be much cooler.

You're mistaken there is no argument, just a petty statement masquerading as a thread. you're buthurt that you dont have a collection of stickers for you imaginary spaceship and seek validation, grow up.
Said the one who posted a decal of a baby crying. Doctor, treat thyself.
 
13 pages because someone can't get a pretend decal? Really?

Its coming to something when I have to quote myself.. If you are going to comment please read what I wrote before hand ;)

Ultimately my largest concern here isn't about a few cosmetics but how this will naturally affect their choices when it comes to the planning of the game.

And..

I don't want a decal

:rolleyes:
 
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Then we end up with naughty things created.

I would rather FD created the decals that way we don't get 400 variations of the same thing because somebody thinks their Hello Kitty logo is better than the previous 399.

I don't know if it is a simple case of adding an alpha channel and desaturating a vector image; if it is, maybe Frontier can open up to submissions?
 
Its coming to something when I have to quote myself.. If you are going to comment please read what I wrote before hand
:rolleyes:

Considering your OP seems to have been triggered by unfairly distributed decals, I'm surprised you expected anything else.

Maybe leave 'decals' out of the next thread entirely.
 
Initially, I was extremely critical of such internal Group Rankings.

However, there's a few caviats :
- a Decal is just that. A tiny emblem. And typically it was earned by a typically very tough Group effort.

- "Special Interest Groups"... Well, that's a bit of a different case. Still :
-> certain mass-events require some levels of participation that can't be guaranteed or organzied otherwise; huge Groups tend to be able to safisfy that requirement and "make it happen"
-> certain Groups simply have achieved to make themselves known. Can think about what certain Groups do or not - but it's an achievement nonetheless

Last but not least, Frontier gets what they need from several of these Groups & Events : PR. Footage. Images. Well-documented Stories.
Quite often very well-made content and customized to fulfill specific requirements for publication to a broad audience.
They're a commercial enterprise after all, so advertising what is theoretically possible within the Game done by Players/Groups helps that.

Now how far certain "special treatment" goes, is debatable. But ultimately, it's up to them to decide.
In the past, at least I've seen no showstoppers that have arisen from that (the Great Betrayal of Kaushpoos being the only exception I can recall - but that didn't really look like it was "Special Interest Group" related for all I know).

I'm guessing the only way to clear this is to remove all decals that have been awarded as well as any 'special' treatment; because FD can't look at all the groups and make a balanced decision unless they want to spend manpower on it.
Are these favorites not entitled to a decal in your opinion?
Are other groups efforts comparable and should receive a decal, any particular group in mind? Have this group asked for it, do they even want it?
Saw that Canonn writing an open letter - they might even get a decal now as they 'caught' the developers eye. You gotta get noticed I guess...


If it is blatant favoritism and suppression of other major players, then yes it is a problem and I would hope most would see it instantly.
I can not see a 'real' problem but I do recognize that the ones that catches FDs eye might get a response since they indeed was noted. But are the other ones 'suppressed' in FD management? Are they actively trying to stomp out a group and favoritism an other; are they really?


And when you say no other MMO has this - but do other MMOs even acknowledge any player group, interact in this way at all?


They are/where doing modding interviews on the Bethseda Blog and people where asking "why this modder, she hasn't done as much as this one", or "interview this one" "no, this one!". Some just thought it was great reading these interviews even though they where favorite some modders over other.


When FD is blatantly stomping on player groups, that is the time to start these threads - right now it is a problem that has always existed in some form and as long as they don't stray to far we can acknowledge that it is what they see as fun and beneficial.


I think it is more beneficial for all players that FD do these kind of things than not at all, for both actions have negative affects and wont suit or work for everybody - and some will see the problems, if there really are any at all.
We'll see if FD will ban a whole clan of players out of the game, then you bet I will complain and not buy anything Elite connected again.

Since decals do absolutely nothing, much in the same way racing stripes do not make cars any faster, I don't care if FD hands these out to anyone. I don't even use the free ones we get for our various rankings.
As for things like a stylized Sidewinder - it's a Sidewinder. Everybody has, or at least, had one at one time. It's not like it grants any sort of special advantage.

Now if FD was handing out Special Edition Panther Clippers I might support a fuss.

Would I like a decal for our group? Sure thing, who doesn't?

Do I think it is unfair that some groups got one and we didn't, and we didn't? No.

Do I think FD would give every group a decal if it was possible with an acceptable effort? sure.

Can FD trust players to not abuse being able to upload decals? A HAHAHA HAHA. ...No. Well, me they could trust, I know that I am trustworthy.

This is once again a case where FD does something above what they were supposed to do, where they tried to reach out to reward the community, and they get burnt for it.

Why should they add me PG decals, if that is the thank you they get?

I can't understand how someone can mistake kindness for favoritism.

As we (Radio Sidewinder) got mentioned by the OP I feel that I should respond. Lave Radio started before us, so that is probably why they got their little in-game reward (the orange sidewinder). Radio Sidewinder was/is probably seen as the upstarts that copied someone else's idea - although we are different and role play everything. Lave certainly have better connections in FD than I do so I also guess that is part of it. Personal relationships are bound to play a part in these things.

But I don't think FD has favourites. I just put the lack of "rewards" down to them being very busy, having a large customer base, with lots of different groups all doing great things. Perhaps some groups shout louder than others as well? (note to self: must shout louder)

It's not really possible for them to do something special for every group anyway - they are trying to build a game after all!

Fly safe all - oh... and listen to Radio Sidewinder ;)

If the OP would respond to some of these instead of cherry picking what further your own agenda I would appreciate it.
 
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No good deed goes unpunished. Also, the human race sucks.

I've never seen another developer do this sort of thing and I hope FD expected this and doesn't give a fecal matter. Is it possible for FD to create an A hole decal and award it to those that cry about this sort of thing? They get their decal and we can easily identify them as the pucker part they are. Win win.
 
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Considering your OP seems to have been triggered by unfairly distributed decals, I'm surprised you expected anything else.

Maybe leave 'decals' out of the next thread entirely.

I wish I had. I didn't expect raising the issue would be the equivalent to kicking an asian hornet nest. [woah]
 
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On the subject of favouritism and special treatment, how long are 'Founder/backer' players going to keep on being rewarded above everyone else?

People who have just as much interest in the game now and contrubute just as much if not more, are receiving less content than those who signed up first. Had I even known this game existed earlier, I probably would have backed it. But I didn't even know it was in production until after it's general release.

They can't keep doing it forever surely? Especially once the game is 'complete' new players are going to be be pretty annoyed if they get less content that people who signed up several years ago and may not even be playing anymore!

Surprised it took 63 posts for that bit of blatant and mindless envy to come up. You cannot or will not add what the Kickstarter backers added to the game (full disclosure: I am one):

  • They made the game possible that you were either blissfully unaware of at the time or did not want to back
  • Many invested a lot more than the current purchase price, sometimes hundreds of pounds
  • Many provided feedback and invested their time in the design decision forum
  • All Backers took the risk of not receiving anything in return for their investment

For that, we receive a few benefits. Mostly access to Founder's World, a slightly better starter ship for many (i.e. Eagle instead of Sidewinder). Anything beyond that (Lifetime Pass, Beta Access etc) was directly tied to money. Hey, I don't even get a Kickstarter decal!
 
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Well said Bomba. I am in agreement with you. Exclusive decals just for groups is a thing I'm cool with but adding more decals that are accessible for everyone would be much cooler.

Meh, are they?

I mean if people feel they are, then bring some on in. Let's put them in the shop along with other visual modifications.
I assume we're all good with that, right? Nobody is going to get a cob on if they get charged money for it, the same as the paint and body kits? Obviously this entire line of trying to raise a mob wouldn't be just to get free visual mods for everyone, because that's clearly not in the interests of FD.

Personally, I'd rather the time was spent on paint work, because paintwork is MUCH cooler than some blobby scribble on the side of my ship which signifies... well, nothing if it is generic. but if the community would rather see custom scribbles than paint, I can live with them being in the shop.

But for me part of the joy of them isn't that they look cool (they don't generally and nobody can see them much), but that they are a badge that signifies *something*. So there needs to be a *something*.

I've got a Pax decal. It's a blobby thing that doesn't mean anything to me because I just clicked a button to get it. I don't use it. It is without meaning.

IRL, I have an 'OPT Drift Club' sticker on my car. It means something to me because it signifies something. I don't stick a 'Nissan' sticker on it, because that doesn't. Or indeed a 'Ford' sticker. We as humans have established rather an etiquette that if we go and stick something on our car, it is personal and relevant and meaningful. And nearly all the time it signifies membership of some kind of 'club'. That's pretty much what they are: social markings, rather than straight decoration. That's what all the decals in FD to date have been.

Yes: Even the Onionhead one.

If the OP or others want scribbles they can buy: Fine. But that is not relevant to the awarding of special decals for special stuff and can go on independently of it, which is cool and should continue.
 
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