Just for a short while.
Darned skippy! [mad]Good! [mad]
This smiley makes everything look 10 times funkier! [mad]
I say old chap, would you pass the tea!? [mad]
I love Dinosaurs! [mad]
It's glorious... [mad] [mad] [mad]
Do we have a ETA on the cure for the beige plague?
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verminstar
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I don't even disagree when you say "I believe", "possibly", "I guess"...
Well, guesswork really is all we have without clear information which we don't have...we have mixed confusing and ultimately vague information. It could mean a dozen different things and there's simply not enough to prove or disprove any of them.
As far as this being the reason why they don't communicate...well that's cool but maybe if they were better at communication, this wouldn't be an issue, would it? So is it our fault that they are useless at communication or ours fer trying to decipher a situation based on vague scraps and hints?
As many have said we have no choice but to wait and see, I'm actually agreeing with that sentiment...let's wait and see by all means. However...I'm not gonna buy into any continuation of whatever series 3 turns out to be on the back of them breaking something on 2.2 and not communicating when, or even if they are gonna fix it. That means playing out 2.4 and possibly 2.5 before they go into sales mode to sell a whole new season.
If things don't improve between now and then...balls in their court as to what happens next ^
If you said: maybe that, or it could possibly mean, then yes, but you don't. You talk as if what you say is a fact when you have nothing to back up your beliefs. Like this part of your post:
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verminstar
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I don't have to prove my beliefs...the onus is on others to disprove them and that hasn't happened. Can ye disprove them right now beyond any shadow of a doubt?
If they prove me wrong then happy days, I'll be overjoyed and ecstatic that they did and shall join the ranks of those who defend them. That's assuming my motivation lasts long enough to ensure I'm still here to see it happening.
But I don't see what I believe as fact...it's not written in stone and nothing would make me happier than to be wrong in every conceivable way. However, the fact remains that nobody on this entire thread can prove it beyond any shadow of doubt. If someone can, then I'm all ears ^
Why should anyone have to disprove your unsubstantiated claims or beliefs. It is entirely up to you to believe whatever you want, but nobody has or needs to disprove them for you.
I think his point was not that you should prove your beliefs, but that you shouldn't act like your beliefs are facts when you can't prove it.
No, it's not minor to me; as I said earlier, I hate the beige everywhere.
I'm just ranking it like I would for any other defect (bug) using the Lewis scale, like we use at the office. It's minor because you can use the software (game) just fine. It's not preventing you from playing. I would rank it slightly lower than the orange UI, which people hate even more and still hasn't been fixed.
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I think his point was not that you should prove your beliefs, but that you shouldn't act like your beliefs are facts when you can't prove it.
Pretty much this.
I think his point was not that you should prove your beliefs, but that you shouldn't act like your beliefs are facts when you can't prove it.
Can't rep you anymore, but yeah.
verminstar
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I think his point was not that you should prove your beliefs, but that you shouldn't act like your beliefs are facts when you can't prove it.
And my point being that I'm not the one trying to sell a game ergo it's up to the vendor to convince me I should buy their product. Thats why its not up to me to prove or disprove anything, it's up to them to convince me to buy their product ^
Where does it say that nobody is working on a fix?
Ere, that could mean a lot of things. Nowhere does it say they are not working on it.
Well, the ball is always in Frontier's court, it's their game afterall. Ideally they would want to play along with us, but lately they have seemed rather reluctant and that makes for a very lonely court. When they don't then we just have to do our best to "convince" them to play ball from time to time!
This thread and issue is not much different than football fans booing their favorite team when they make a bad play. It's not that the fans suddenly hate their team, they are just voicing their dismay and want the team to do better. Same with many of us who want Frontier to give the beige issue more of a priority: it's not that we hate Frontier or Elite for this, we are just very dismayed and want better for the game. We just want to be able to enjoy Elite again like we used to enjoy it. And it is squarely up to Frontier to enable that, all we can do is voice our opinions and watch what play gets made next.
Following the sports analogy though, after enough bad plays over a long enough period of time even the most die hard of fans can become so dismayed that they drop the game for another sport to take pride in. That's just human nature, and while some people can hold out longer than others, everyone has their limits to what they can tolerate with regards to negativity.
Exploration has long been neglected, that is a fact supported by the update history, so reducing "content" like the beigefication has done only served to reduce an already minimal aspect of the game that has stagnated for far too long already. It was not a very good place to make a mistake like 2.2 did and then to allow it to linger for over a year like it is likely to last. It would be like if 2.4 changed all AI combat levels to harmless and then the issue wasn't fixed for over a year. Sure combat players could still do combat, but much of the fun and content would be effectively nullified. That's what happened to explorers, and the fact that Frontier seems completely willing to allow it to stand for so long a time greatly troubles me as an explorer. If it was a combat issue it would have been fixed long ago, and you need only look at all of the weapon rebalances, new features, and combat oriented betas to prove that. Explorers matter too, and expecting them to simply "take it on the nose" even after being neglected for two and a half years truly sucks.
But, in the end, we have two choices: wait and just bear it, or quit. Eat the poo dish we've been served, or look elsewhere for our meals. I for one and feeling tired of eating poo, and all I really wanted from this thread was some assurance that yes something other than poo is coming to the menu soon. I got that sort of, but the bad news is that I'll be eating poo for a very long time yet. [ugh]
Explorers matter too.
Personaly I think FD needs to stop treating ED as if it's still in early access.
Yes ED will be expanded but it's a full release game not a GPP title.
The state of the updates that are released are like early access ones, littered with bugs and glitches, in GPP you can do that and iron it out before full release.
Changing a tecnical feature, lighting, and turning half the game beige is exactly that, an early access result, not something for a full release update imho.
Yes ED isn't finished yet, I get that, but it's not an early access game anymore that would justify screw ups like this.
Same goes for the poor quality of quite the number of items for purchase in the store, you know those where you pay real money for.
I like ED, I truly do and that's why I react so strongly, this kind of stuff and the way it's being handled annoys me incredibly.
Yes ED will be expanded but it's a full release game not a GPP title.
The state of the updates that are released are like early access ones, littered with bugs and glitches, in GPP you can do that and iron it out before full release.
Changing a tecnical feature, lighting, and turning half the game beige is exactly that, an early access result, not something for a full release update imho.
Yes ED isn't finished yet, I get that, but it's not an early access game anymore that would justify screw ups like this.
Same goes for the poor quality of quite the number of items for purchase in the store, you know those where you pay real money for.
I like ED, I truly do and that's why I react so strongly, this kind of stuff and the way it's being handled annoys me incredibly.
verminstar
Banned
Working on a fix and discussing a fix are two very different things...people been talking about the second coming of Christ fer centuries...still hasn't happened though ^
Working on a fix and discussing a fix are two very different things...people been talking about the second coming of Christ fer centuries...still hasn't happened though ^
So does investigation mean a discussion these days.
Investigation: the action of investigating something or someone; formal or systematic examination or research.
"he is under investigation for receiving illicit funds"
synonyms: examination, enquiry, study, inspection, exploration, consideration, analysis, appraisal;
I don't think it mentions discussion anywhere in the meaning of investigation. So now you are trying to change the meaning of words to boost you unsubstantiated beliefs.
Investigation could mean that they are working on it though.
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