The way I see it is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion just as long as they know that I am always correct then everything will be fine. 
This community is 'different'
- Thread starter M00ka
- Start date
The way I see it is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion just as long as they know that I am always correct then everything will be fine.
That's the beauty of quantum mechanics - you can be correct and I can be correct even though we're saying opposite things. Spooky forums at a distance
Have the rep, Jason. Have all of the reps!
This sentence is only true when I say it.The way I see it is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion just as long as they know that I am always correct then everything will be fine.
That's the beauty of quantum mechanics - you can be correct and I can be correct even though we're saying opposite things. Spooky forums at a distance
In the same light, until someone reads what you’ve written, it is both correct and incorrect simultaneously.
Nailed it. Most of the noise on this forum is one demographic using confirmatory bias to attack another.
Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
Man what does that say about *me*.... spending all this time reading a game forum? lol.
NecoMachina
N
This right here is a mild form of white-knighting. Dump everyone who has a complaint about the game into one neat tidy box and label it "People who just want the game to be like Eve". Then with one dismissive statement, you can just tell the "whiners" to go away and play Eve.
It couldn't POSSIBLY be because the game went in a little different direction that what was being discussed before launch. It couldn't POSSIBLY be because of a large number of bugs that stick around for months or even up to a year, get fixed, and then get re-introduced back into the game a couple patches later. It couldn't POSSIBLY be because development is moving at a snails pace. It couldn't possibly be because they've spent 3 years trying to stack flimsy new systems on top of a shaky foundation.
No, it's definitely just that people just want this game to be like Eve and are too dumb and immature to realize this is a different game. If those guys want Eve so bad, why don't they just go play it, amirite?
Here's a shocker. I HATE Eve with a burning passion. Hate everything about it. The absolute LAST thing I wanted was this game to be anything like Eve. But I didn't wan't it to be what it is right now either. What I wanted was all the cool things David talked about. What I wanted was alot of the well thought out ideas in the DDF. And I bought the game because we were led to believe that is the direction they were gonna go in. So stop pretending like we are asking for unreasonable things. I didn't walk in here and start demanding things to be different from what they said it was gonna be.
But no, DEFINITELY don't take the criticisms at face value. Deflect the criticisms away from the game so you can pretend that people are simply being unreasonable.
Last edited:
I don't think that this stuff should be discussed in the public, otherwise it would be the same as naming and shaming. People usually don't get permanently banned from the forum, but a few days timeout happens very often.
I didn't intend to make it sound so dramatic, I just wanted to show that the forums aren't always as civil as they appear, because that's often after the mods did their job... Maybe that's why people don't understand where OP's frustration comes from. (this goes for both 'sides' BTW)
Last edited:
Yes, after reading NecroMachina's post it looks like I (and many others on this forum) have the same issues with the game. I would add the lack of NPC wings and crew though.
So I can't understand how you come to the conclusion that criticism isn't allowed on this forum. As long as you don't insult someone... And keep in mind that the people disagreeing with you are allowed to have an opinion as well.
Last edited:
Wait, not sure how I fit into your response. Clearly I believe criticism is allowed on the forum. Anyway, yeah looks like we’re in agreement. The NPC thing drives me crazy. NPC crew guts me every time I think about how they’ve left it to rot. Interactivity with NPCs in general is extremely anemic.Yes, after reading NecroMachina's post it looks like I (and many others on this forum) have the same issues with the game. I would add the lack of NPC wings and crew though.
So I can't understand how you cone to the conclusion that criticism isn't allowed on this forum. As long as you don't insult someone... And keep in mind that the people disagreeing with you are allowed to have an opinion as well.
Cool.You fit in my post as 'I absolutely agree with you'
Now back to the NPC sidetrack. I don’t think there is an element of the game that I would like more than my own crew on my ship. Wanna get me that engineer, the fighterjock, the science officer etc. my crew, with me for the life of the game to keep me company and get into adventures with.
Not the sad fodder we have now.
Wanted to rep your last post but I have to spread the love around a bit more but the game needs more voices like yours - it's quite telling that Planet Coaster is their money making game, ED wasn't even mentioned so all the white knighters are actually destroying this game by repeating that it's ok. Star Citizen shows there's a huge market for space flight games (or the promise of space legs / landings / dog fights etc) - Fdev need to tap into that market and they're not gonna do it if they think the present iteration is perfect.
The developers never respond to me, watch: Are we ever going to get an orrery? if not, at least an explanation of why not would be highly desirable.
They did answer this. It's still something they want to add, but can't guarantee it. It's also at the bottom of their to do list... No ETAs no guarantees
NecoMachina
N
Here's a good example of what I mean. Here's a thread saying how someone wasn't impressed with what was said to be coming in 2018.Yes, after reading NecroMachina's post it looks like I (and many others on this forum) have the same issues with the game. I would add the lack of NPC wings and crew though.
So I can't understand how you come to the conclusion that criticism isn't allowed on this forum. As long as you don't insult someone... And keep in mind that the people disagreeing with you are allowed to have an opinion as well.
Here are some snippets of the replies.
"You aren't making the game I want!
WHY aren't you making the game I want!!! And I want it NOW!!!
Wah Wah Wah!!!"
Accurate summary of the OP
I'll stop there at about 1/3 of the way thru the thread.
Now, just to be clear, the original OP did go as far as implying the devs were incompetent, so I can understand why people would take offense. I really do. I also do think that for a dev team that constantly releases known serious bugs which were reported in the betas into the live game, it might be fair to start questioning competence in some respects. But I do also think he went a bit too far. I agreed with most of his criticisms, but I wouldn't have gone so far as to call for people to be fired.
The point I'm trying to make is, please don't try to pretend that criticisms aren't ever shot down on these forums. Don't act like people aren't told to stop whining and go play something else. It happens ALL THE TIME. And it's not only when someone goes a little too far with the rudeness, like with the OP in this case. It happens with polite posts, stating their criticisms and constructive feedback as to how it could be better. ALL THE TIME.
Repped for effort.
It'd be really nice if more posts contained referenced citations & examples to back up formed opinions rather than just bullish confidence & mockery.
Last edited:
To be fair though, the point he's been trying to make is so perfectly obvious that it shouldn't require him to come up with a bunch of examples to prove.
This community is great. It is also the only online community i am or care to be a part of.
Yes there are those who defend the game/FD hard and attack anyone who criticizes or asks for changes with derogatory terms. I don't know how often i was called a minmaxer, meta gamer, or that i want easy mode or i win button, or am a care bear, just because i asked something i considered QOL making the game play less cumbersome or require less external tools info. These purists that claim to know how the game is intended to be played and that only this way is the right (not to say righteous) way - well, they are annoying. But there are very, very few such posters, and even those are sometime open to rational discussion.
Then there are those who cannot express their dissatisfaction without offending FD or other players who enjoy what they don't.
But the vast majority (in particular of veterans that visit this forum on a regular basis) are intelligent people able to express their thoughts and engage in any kind of discussion in a constructive way. They don't think to know everything of to represent the target audience. Everyone is here because they like the game and see something special in it. Many of those players are disappointed about many aspects of the game, but they are able to control their impulses. In other communities such players are a minority - go visit Steam forums.
Yes there are those who defend the game/FD hard and attack anyone who criticizes or asks for changes with derogatory terms. I don't know how often i was called a minmaxer, meta gamer, or that i want easy mode or i win button, or am a care bear, just because i asked something i considered QOL making the game play less cumbersome or require less external tools info. These purists that claim to know how the game is intended to be played and that only this way is the right (not to say righteous) way - well, they are annoying. But there are very, very few such posters, and even those are sometime open to rational discussion.
Then there are those who cannot express their dissatisfaction without offending FD or other players who enjoy what they don't.
But the vast majority (in particular of veterans that visit this forum on a regular basis) are intelligent people able to express their thoughts and engage in any kind of discussion in a constructive way. They don't think to know everything of to represent the target audience. Everyone is here because they like the game and see something special in it. Many of those players are disappointed about many aspects of the game, but they are able to control their impulses. In other communities such players are a minority - go visit Steam forums.