That pin only one blueprint system was already bonkers. With the new system, you should at least be able to see all the levels for an upgrade.
Until then, there's the internet.
New upgrade System - "Your time is valueable"- is a pure grind and waste of everyones time
Until then, there's the internet.
The equivalent of a decent G5 current is (if I understand how they're planning to handle grandfathering by making new G5 better) will require 1 G5 roll in the new system
This will take (using broker and assuming that the 2.9 rolls to progress is accurate) 3 G5 mats (one pick up) 3 G4 mats (one pick up) 3 G3 mats (one pick up) [as you get 3 per mat/data find] and leave you with spare data/mats for other rolls.
This is equaivalent to 3 G5 rolls in the current system which is what I'd call "a couple to handful"
So I see little difference.
Add in there will now be no wasted time when farming mats (spend an hour scanning for DMWE and get non but a load of grad 1-4 stuff. just convert it up!)
and I think the new system will be marginally better. (it will still be a grind and horribly imbalanced and broken in my book but not worse)
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I very much doubt it take much more if any stop and scoop as it did before to get your G5.
Bob Lighthouse
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Not all opinions are valid.
That suggests you cannot think of an opinion you can dismiss off hand, or that opinion cannot be broken down and rejected based on facts and reason.
Platitudes don't outweigh objective criticisms.
That suggests you cannot think of an opinion you can dismiss off hand, or that opinion cannot be broken down and rejected based on facts and reason.
Platitudes don't outweigh objective criticisms.
I think the real issue with the new method is that of progressing each and every module through each and every grade, combined with the fact that at the moment, we have very limited storage compared to what it will be.
At the moment we know how much of PITA it was to unlock each engineer to grade 5, and now many of us are essentially gob-smacked by the thought of doing that exact same thing all over again but now for every single module. However, the number of materials we will be able to carry is also to be significantly increased, and there will be ways to get the harder to find materials, other than having to find them, which will ultimately (and hopefully) make this less of a PITA than what we remember.
This is more a transitional pain, due to the current limits. Perhaps they could implement a patch to double or triple the materials we can currently carry, so it doesn't hit as hard when it goes live (i.e. those mats are going to take time to collect but once they are it won't be such an issue), as a bit of a sweetener.
The other issue is changing blueprints, personally, I'm not sure how this will work, but from what I can gather if I modify say a laser to G5 Efficient, and decide I want it to be long range instead, I have to start from G1 again ?. Like I said I'm not sure that is the case, but I don't think that should be the case if it is. It should be more like an instance of it's already at G5, it's "grandfatherd" to G4 Long Range, like current modules would be... Hope that makes sense.
Precisely. People seem to want to make their own unnecesary grind at the moment with the new engineers. It will be far easier for me as a casual player to get a G5 module.
Bob Lighthouse
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Impact how?
It will be easier to get upgrades casually. That's something can be easily guaranteed.
Again, #NotAnG5Shop
Bob Lighthouse
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It will take more steps, more time and more materials.
That is generally accepted as being "harder" not "easier" no matter what you are doing.
Bob Lighthouse
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Please post screenshots of your respective right UI panels -> statistics -> crafting and we can discuss this more objectively.
I know exactly what mine shows.
I know exactly what mine shows.
Exactly.
The only people who will realy benefit from the new system are those that are always looking for a maximum result.
Average players, like me, who are happy with a reasonable improvement are screwed.
I never had a problem with the rng aspect of the engineers, a couple g5 rolls always gave me a satisfying enough result.
I've never been grinding for so called god rolls, a couple g5 rolls always gave me a significant better module then how it was stock.
Now I'll have to grind my way through all grades for every module installed.
My feeling exactly. What FD is doing with engineering is best translated as : go suck eggs you non 1337 PvPers.
Bob Lighthouse
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Also for the brand new player it will be much longer.
Currently one can G5 level an entire engineer's menu through a single mod, so you can skip all the other lower mods in the first place.
Eg unlocking Farseer to G5 for FSDs unlocks everything she does.
Seems a lot of people are overlooking that part.
Number of rolls required to get a G5 roll (assuming level 5 reputation):
Current system: 1
New system: 13 on average, but you’d better take extra for each grade in case RNG screws you over - just like happened to Sandro and Ed in the livestream - and one of the grades takes 4 or 5 rolls to get through. Otherwise you’ll be stranded on, say, G2, with a tiny bit of incomplete progress circle trolling you because you can’t make any further rolls until you go and get some more G2 mats. So let’s say 17-21 to be on the safe side.
How. As of right now to guarantee a good G5 roll you need 5-6 G5 mats. In the new system you will get a good grade 5 straight away using 1 roll, more if you want it better and it will get better straight away without risk of it getting worse.
So you do what you normally do to get your 5 G5 rare mats. Create 6 G4 mats from two of the G5 leaving you with 3 G5. Create 6 G3 from 2 G4, and 6 G2 from 2 G3 and 6 G1 from 2 G2.
This leaves you with:-
3 G5 mats
4 G4 mats
4 G3 mats
4 G2 mats
6 G1 mats
With all the same amount of material gathering. This doesn't include the materials you will get while you are looking for G5 mats either making it even easier.
So a virtually guaranteed great G5 for the same or less material gathering unless you are very very unlucky. And you may get a super roll on your first try at G5 too.
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It wasn't easy to make the system even worse but FD worked their magic.It's almost impressive.
The rolls take seconds, it is no big deal. It is pretty likely that you will have enough G1 and G2 rolls anyway if you do your material gathering as normal.
Nope, it is just as easy to get a guaranteed good G5 roll. For me it is far superior.
This is one of the problems I have with the current system. Once I've unlocked a G5 upgrade the Engineers stops being an upgrade system, and becomes just another module shop. I am excited for the new system to feel like actually upgrading my ship instead of just buying an A+ rank module to replace my A rank one.
the enxt days they all should play 4 hours a day on a legit non supported account from sidey to cutter or Coruvette (to include rank grind) and then make all modules g5 top. This would give them some perspective what doign that actually means.
So far I can only conclude many people just dont run numbers in their head at all. When you look at G1-G3 reqs and the material trader, all this 'OMG I MUST GRIND THROUGH ALL THOSE RANKS!" seems... not very well thought out. And when you factor in how much easier it is to get those rare mats/data for the G5 rolls it becomes rather obvious this is also faster for those who just want 'a simple G5 mod'.
I dont godroll. I do 1-3 rolls per module, max. I dont have killer PvP ships. The new system seems fine for people like me. The 'casuals get kicked in the teeth' stuff really doesnt match the numbers.
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