I assume the image in the codex shows the dark wheel station, because otherwise it would be silly to include it there. The image shows a red star, the horizon menu shows a white or bright blue star. I don't believe that FD would manually change the colour of the star in one of the images to "just" make it less obvious and harder to find. That would be totally stupid.

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Ive already said it in the canonn discord but i dont believe the start screen menu is a real place in game because no matter how you place yourself, as long as the constalation is more or less correct you will allways have barnards loop in your picture.



The second picture is made around 150ly from sol in direction barnards loop. The only other way that the constelation would match with the start screen would be if you look at barnards from the "opposite site" so you would fly to barnards loop and them some 150-250 ly further in this direction but you would have the same problem that barnards loop is in the picture.
I dont think its a real playce in game. Or would it be possible for FD to "remove" barnards loop for the start screen so its not totaly obvious where it is?

Please don't get too hung up on the constellation being Orion, that was a total stab in the dark on my part and most likely incorrect. Especially since the colors of the some of the stars I proposed don't much their spectral types.

The menu image could still be useful. If we can identify the system it was taken in, at the very least we can conclusively disprove and close this line of reasoning. I'm currently investigating a few possibilities as to what stars could be in the image, I'll report once I get some solid results either way.
 
Im not too sure if this station is more reasonable. Dont you think this station is too close to the sun because we know it orbits the 8. moon of a gas giant.It should be further away from the sun, not?

We've done some research based on that Codex picture. The biggest problem is we don't know the parameters of the "camera" the picture was taken with. It could be cropped from a much wider angle picture, taken from different distances etc. If we assume the FOV is anything close to the default in-game FOV, that station would have to be either very close to the star or the star would have to be very big.

I've queried the EDSM database for gas giants with 8+ moons and sorted them by estimated angular diameter of the star as seen from the gas giant's location*. Within 1200ly of Sol there are only a few candidates that could produce the image from the Codex, but they all have the wrong spectral type or are too hot or too cold to be the right color.

*NOTE: this is not possible for all systems in the EDSM db, some of the are missing data; in other cases involving binary+ systems and bodies orbiting barycenters instead of other bodies it becomes very hard to estimate the angular diameter of stars.
 
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Its an trap with that Gas Giant 8+ Moons

In my language (its german) we will read in the codex "Planets" but no Moon or Moons.

litle question from me: - what is reading in your language (Moon or Planet) ?

and so im wondred me about that Codex text because an Planet like Jupiter (Gas Gigant) have only Moons and no Planets.
And an Gas Gigant like Jupiter is not the only one that we can calling Gas Gigant.

Any Sun is an Gas Gigant too. but this Gigant lit (eLITe = e lit e)

It is an unnamed Sun with 8+ Planets.
So the codex text is correct and true.
 
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An ancient Go-Pro...

I didn't realise (as am not Elite yet) that there's a Gas Giant in the Dark Wheel home system with a port around its 8th Moon (pretty sure someone mentioned this is the case). For me, this has to be the reference from the Codex. Figuring out what to do there is the next step to finding Raxxla imo.

It's on the 8th moon. It's a surface base.
 
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Its an trap with that Gas Giant 8+ Moons

In my language (its german) we will read in the codex "Planets" but no Moon or Moons.

litle question from me: - what is reading in your language (Moon or Planet) ?

and so im wondred me about that Codex text because an Planet like Jupiter (Gas Gigant) have only Moons and no Planets.
And an Gas Gigant like Jupiter is not the only one that we can calling Gas Gigant.

Any Sun is an Gas Gigant too. but this Gigant lit (eLITe = e lit e)

It is an unnamed Sun with 8+ Planets.
So the codex text is correct and true.

I'd be interested to see the German text too. English text states 8th moon of a Gas Giant. Just off to walk the dogs so will try and copy and paste later.
 
I'd be interested to see the German text too. English text states 8th moon of a Gas Giant. Just off to walk the dogs so will try and copy and paste later.


thats realy interesting. in english also Moon. Hmmpff
so i must be wrong because it's a translation mistake.

here is the litle fragment text in german

...dass die ursprüngliche Gruppe ihre Basis an Bord eine verlassenen Sternenhafens hatte, der um den achten Planeten eines namenlosen Gasriesen kreist.

what i can see too is, "eine" its not correct, it must be sounds like "eines". because "Sternenhafens" has the "s" at the end.

thx for the answer
 
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thats realy interesting. in english also Moon. Hmmpff
so i must be wrong because it's a translation mistake.

here is the litle fragment text in german

...dass die ursprüngliche Gruppe ihre Basis an Bord eine verlassenen Sternenhafens hatte, der um den achten Planeten eines namenlosen Gasriesen kreist.

what i can see too is, "eine" its not correct, it must be sounds like "eines". because "Sternenhafens" has the "s" at the end.

thx for the answer

Cant currently get on to rewrite the text, but it does seem like a translation error in the German text.
 
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Its an trap with that Gas Giant 8+ Moons

In my language (its german) we will read in the codex "Planets" but no Moon or Moons.

litle question from me: - what is reading in your language (Moon or Planet) ?

and so im wondred me about that Codex text because an Planet like Jupiter (Gas Gigant) have only Moons and no Planets.
And an Gas Gigant like Jupiter is not the only one that we can calling Gas Gigant.

Any Sun is an Gas Gigant too. but this Gigant lit (eLITe = e lit e)

It is an unnamed Sun with 8+ Planets.
So the codex text is correct and true.

I think that is where it gets tricky. Depending on the person making it and their choice of design. The game has alot of planets that revolve around each other. They also have planets with potentially close orbits at rare times. For all we know that planetary alignment happens once every actualy 1000 years and they took a pic on purpose when it happened or made it align as if it happened to take the pic. You don't need planets and moons to produce that result. It could be a lot of things. It's just two bodies that close to each other with one at the least having a station around it. It could be a station shared between them, which exists, it could be a station at either one. There are quite a few possibilities. Assuming the picture is a straight up screenshot and not modified.

I see a lot of planetary orbits that get farther and closer together also. It could just be a planet that at a certain time was that close. It may not even be any of the nth number of naturally constantly close bodies in the game. Although it could be two planets with a station in between and shows up that way on the system map. Or two very close planets around a gas giant or whatnot that are revovling around each other and a station is or isn't present on the system map. It could be many things besides that if you just consider two planets in a pic close to each other and a station.

BTW, has anyone every mapped all the stations and got their numbers to see what is concluded from it? I found fsp#0000 and others. I've been taking screen shots. We should make a thread to organize pics and do it the fast way. Try to gather pics of the station name and FSP# on the front and then try to gather info on coordinates etc of the system also. Maybe split up work on various tasks and do whatever it takes to get the info. I have several pics of the front of the stations. Screenshots are just hard for me to do because of problems with linux and screenshots and alt tabbing and crashing ultimately. It likes to take a screenshot of some previous place in the game and I have to make two increasing the time till my game needs to be restarted. Unless that also happens to windows user. At which point I would be curious if that is a bug or some weird purposely thing in the game. I doubt it though since I'm using the system screenshot to do it. Not sure if I want to play in windowed mode just to get screenshots. I've never liked playing in windowed mode because of loss of mouse focus in game potentially at vital moments.

Note: some stations don't have fsp#'s but other numbers on the back of the inside of the station on some of those legs that old the back in place. There are a few different potential numbering systems. Although the one I saw was a 6 number. I wonder if that translates into anything like coordinates. It was XXXX-XX something. Maybe using that spiral key you can turn it into a system coordinate. That or it is the existing system coordinate. It would be worth figuring out what all of those numbers mean. It would whittle things down regardless.

I think the best thing is to start making coordinated efforts to actually map and find these things and start figuring out what everything is to remove possibilities. Or has it been done in the past. Are there any existing efforts for these sorts of things?
 
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BTW, has anyone every mapped all the stations and got their numbers to see what is concluded from it? I found fsp#0000 and others. I've been taking screen shots. We should make a thread to organize pics and do it the fast way. Try to gather pics of the station name and FSP# on the front and then try to gather info on coordinates etc of the system also. Maybe split up work on vairous tasks and do whatever it takes to get the info. I have several pics of the front of the stations.

Ill be putting up a google docs with the ones I have found so far. YOu should record your data in an excel sheet for easy transfer. The info I am gathering:

Station id | System Name | closest body | distance from entry star | star type | how many stars in this system? | is there a gas giant with more than 8 moons?
 
What about a new thread with just this and gather info from everyone also. It would be the fastest method. Is there a way to add data as it goes without one person having to do all the work? I don't use docs enough to know how to set any of it up. The therad could also list and add data to be found as things go to slowly gather all needed information.
 
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*tinfoil* Back to the place that is no place and the whisperer in witchspace... As stated earlier the place that is no place can be seen as the place in between. I wrote about that when posting my Avalon theory (disapproved).

However I once read a book by German Ethnologist Hans Peter Duerr (Traumzeit. Über die Grenzen zwischen Wildnis und Zivilisation - rough translation: Dreamtime concerning the borders between the wild and civilization). Some part of the book is about the place that is no place in mythology and about the person guarding it: The Hagazussa (today hag. See for Etymology here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexe#Etymologie and sorry there is no english version of this wiki entry but french, russian and spanish are provided.). The Hagazussa is basically a witch. The Wiki I just quoted states that amongst the first witches to be mentioned was Circe. What a fine whisperer in witchspace she could be... Btw. There is a System near Sol named Circe. As I'm currentyl gathering guardian stuff I won't be able to go there soon. Would be glad if anyone going that way could take a look.

*tinfoil off*
 
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