The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Lori Jameson]

It occurred to me that almost all Greek myths that "could" be connected to Raxxla involve a Lyra at some point or another, so I'm on my way out to Lyra's Song, to see if anything whispers at me!

Quite a long trip and I have had to much time to think, so please forgive the tin foil, but.....

Image you were the Feds, and you had just confiscated this alien relic, which after having your scientists prod it for a decade or so, you dubbed the "Omphalos Rift".

Just as you are at the point of being able to exploit this artifact, everything kicks off with Marlin Duval and you think having her assassinated will cure all your problems but....instead, her slightly unhinged brother takes over and appoints himself king of the Empire.

Your not sure what's going to happen and you need to keep this extremely powerful yet very tiny object out of the mad man's clutches. What do you do?

Well, some bright spark in your Navey points out that in just a few months time, you are going to start launching thousands of generation ships into the "deepest void". Hide it on one of those! When things calm down, go and find it!

One problem... they mainly get lost....and "what was lost, will soon be found!"

Basically, what if we have spent the last couple years hunting for a planet, when we should be tracking down the missing generation ships?

Didn't DB once say "of course it is, you just don't know what it is" when asked if Raxxla was in the game?

If this theory holds, the ship would have started in Sol, and passed through Lave at about the time of the Dark Wheel novella. Where would it be now, if it held the same course and speed?

Any thoughts?

Generation ships didn't have FTL. Take the estimated date of launch, subtract today's date, and you get the maximum distance in lightyears it could travel.

Though, I think Generation Ships stopped getting sent before the Mars relic was found. (I'd have to check)

 

[Count dEstard]

Generation ships didn't have FTL. Take the estimated date of launch, subtract today's date, and you get the maximum distance in lightyears it could travel.

Though, I think Generation Ships stopped getting sent before the Mars relic was found. (I'd have to check)

Mars relic found: 2280
Empire founded: Mid 23 hundreds
Generation ships sent: Prior 2200s

At least that's how I understand Wiki.

 

[Tacticus2711]

YouTuber AnwinBahl has 4 videos posted titled 'raxxla satelit' 1 - 4. It's just a bunch of pilot call signs and numbers for a series of like 7 mins or so. Being somewhat inexperienced at making these connections that some of you have been able to tie together, I figured I'd post this info here in case you guys thought we could find use in it. I only watched the first vid and it doesn't really start till after like 50 seconds.

Could you supply me with said links?

 

[Tacticus2711]

Mars relic found: 2280
Empire founded: Mid 23 hundreds
Generation ships sent: Prior 2200s

At least that's how I understand Wiki.

They had something better than FTL, A quarrium drive.

“The first hyperdrive was reverse engineered from numerous Thargoid ships that were captured by the Galactic Cooperative during the INRA-Thargoid war. At the INRA base Almeida Landing, the research team of the engineer Effie Ratling figured out how Thargoid hyperdrives worked to create stable wormholes. This was different than human drives which shifted space around a ship. She created a prototype hybrid drive. When she handed in her report INRA took over and made modifications to the hybrid drive to get it to the test-flight stage. Ratling was only kept as a consultant.

During the first test flight, the wormhole was stable, but Effie Ratling voiced concern about whether a human being would survive going through it. The pilot died when he returned from the wormhole. His body was turned inside out, but the ship was unscathed. INRA launched an investigation, blamed Ratling for the accident and canceled the project. However, INRA carried on testing it in secret until the first hyperdrive was complete.

In 3125 AD the original hyperdrive was powered by a fuel known as Quirium. It's a high energy density material that was produced by the Galactic Cooperative (GalCop). They closely guarded the secret formula of how to produce it. Most Quirium based hyperdrives had a limited jump range, but some people were able to engineer drives to jump across the galaxy or even to other galaxies.

The secret formula was lost when GalCop dissolved on August 19, 3174. The hyperspace industry suffered a major setback. For the next 100 years faster than light travel (FTL) was done using more primitive and slower methods.”

 

[CMDRGURU951]

What many of you fail to realize is that before humans go to Deep Space, we send the machines. During WW3 those machines sat out there for a few decades while we recouped from the devastation. This is also a part of the hidden, unwritten, and unspoken lore of what happened during that time, to be exact, how the AI developed while it sat out there gaining Sentience. I've got plenty of proof to support this claim, though I will not give All of it here. I will however tell you that it is a result of the Philip K AI we currently are developing which can be seen here.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot0Fuy34xN0

"I will keep you warm and safe in my people zoo where I can watch you for old times sake."

Sentient Machines

A sentient machine has artificial general intelligence (AGI). It can successfully perform any intellectual task that a human being can or it can perform general intelligent action.[1] This is also referred to as strong AI.[2] Machine sentience has been banned in Federal, Empire and Alliance...

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"AI which imitates humans is less advanced than machine sentience. However, it is believed that one or two AI (sentient machines) have escaped into deep space."

Transport Ship Lakon Baker Gamma Sierra Heavy in the Thoth system.
519 units- Historical Novels (Secrets of Simulating Backgrounds.)

 

[Thatchinho]

Not sure where you're getting this from but quite a lot is wrong. (And some of it has already been covered on this thread over the last few days.)

They had something better than FTL, A quarrium drive.

A Quirium drive isn't better than an FTL drive, it is an FTL drive. All hyperdrives are FTL drives.

“The first hyperdrive was reverse engineered from numerous Thargoid ships that were captured by the Galactic Cooperative during the INRA-Thargoid war.

No, the first hyperdrives were in the early 22nd century. The INRA stuff is 1,000 years after that.

In 3125 AD the original hyperdrive was powered by a fuel known as Quirium.

As per the above this is 1,000 years after hyperdrives were invented.

Most Quirium based hyperdrives had a limited jump range

Limited compared to what? Anything to support what those limits actually were?

but some people were able to engineer drives to jump across the galaxy or even to other galaxies.

This is not currently canon for ED.

 

[Tacticus2711]

Not sure where you're getting this from but quite a lot is wrong. (And some of it has already been covered on this thread over the last few days.)



A Quirium drive isn't better than an FTL drive, it is an FTL drive. All hyperdrives are FTL drives.

No, the first hyperdrives were in the early 22nd century. The INRA stuff is 1,000 years after that.

As per the above this is 1,000 years after hyperdrives were invented.

Limited compared to what? Anything to support what those limits actually were?

This is not currently canon for ED.

Hang on a sec, a quarrium drive creates a ‘wormhole’ and travels ‘instantaneous’ so cant be FTL travel, it’s effectively teleportation and I never said they were used during the 22nd century and it was a quote from the cannon research group who have pieced evidence from INRA sites across the galaxy.
Not sure what I have wrong here as all you’ve done is pointed out a lack of evidence that I would like to note, I did not put together

 

[Tacticus2711]

If you’d like to see the GalNet article here you go

Galnet News | Elite Dangerous Community Site

community.elitedangerous.com

And here to the video link which is one of many INRA sites

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N63DGZnl4eY

And here is the books name which covers some areas of the drive and aspects of the quarrium drive. And yes the book was OFFICIALLY released by frontier.
Elite Dangerous: Premonition

 

[Thatchinho]

Generation ships didn't have FTL. Take the estimated date of launch, subtract today's date, and you get the maximum distance in lightyears it could travel.

Though, I think Generation Ships stopped getting sent before the Mars relic was found. (I'd have to check)

Later Generation Ships did have FTL. (Knew I remembered it from somewhere, but have had to delay replying while I searched for a source for it. )

I'm also pretty sure that their use extended past the discovery of the Mars Relic, but I need to try and fish out something more definite about that. The best I've got to hand is:

"The first generation ship was launched in 2097, and in the centuries that followed, many more set off into the vastness of space."

Exactly what 'centuries' constitutes in that context is pretty open to interpretation, and would be valid for both them stopping setting off prior to the discovery of the Mars Relic, or for them continuing to set off for hundreds of years after that.

 

[Count dEstard]

Later Generation Ships did have FTL. (Knew I remembered it from somewhere, but have had to delay replying while I searched for a source for it. )

I'm also pretty sure that their use extended past the discovery of the Mars Relic, but I need to try and fish out something more definite about that. The best I've got to hand is:

"The first generation ship was launched in 2097, and in the centuries that followed, many more set off into the vastness of space."

Exactly what 'centuries' constitutes in that context is pretty open to interpretation, and would be valid for both them stopping setting off prior to the discovery of the Mars Relic, or for them continuing to set off for hundreds of years after that.

We should define what FTL means. What we are currently doing is more transitions than FTL. Keep mind that I define Transition from Perry Rhodan as instant transit from one place to another whereas FTL from my point of view is more or less what Starfleet does with Warp Drive technology.

 

[Thatchinho]

Hang on a sec, a quarrium drive creates a ‘wormhole’ and travels ‘instantaneous’ so cant be FTL travel, it’s effectively teleportation and I never said they were used during the 22nd century and it was a quote from the cannon research group who have pieced evidence from INRA sites across the galaxy.
Not sure what I have wrong here as all you’ve done is pointed out a lack of evidence that I would like to note, I did not put together

A Quirium drive is a hyperdrive. It is by definition FTL travel. All hyperdrives are FTL. Perhaps you're meaning something different than FTL?

What you said:

"“The first hyperdrive was reverse engineered from numerous Thargoid ships that were captured by the Galactic Cooperative during the INRA-Thargoid war."

The INRA-Thargoid stuff was in the 32nd Century.

The first hyperdrives were in the 22nd Century.

What you said cannot be true.

I hasten to add that when I say that, I'm not accusing you of lying. It's either the info you're using, the way you're interpreting it, or the way you're posting it on here that's incorrect.

 

[Thatchinho]

If you’d like to see the GalNet article here you go

Galnet News | Elite Dangerous Community Site

community.elitedangerous.com

And here to the video link which is one of many INRA sites

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N63DGZnl4eY

And here is the books name which covers some areas of the drive and aspects of the quarrium drive. And yes the book was OFFICIALLY released by frontier.
Elite Dangerous: Premonition

Not sure if this was specifically for me or just references in general, but I'm very aware of these!

They all support (and are references for) the points I was making.

 

[Tacticus2711]

A Quirium drive is a hyperdrive. It is by definition FTL travel. All hyperdrives are FTL. Perhaps you're meaning something different than FTL?

What you said:

"“The first hyperdrive was reverse engineered from numerous Thargoid ships that were captured by the Galactic Cooperative during the INRA-Thargoid war."

The INRA-Thargoid stuff was in the 32nd Century.

The first hyperdrives were in the 22nd Century.

What you said cannot be true.

I hasten to add that when I say that, I'm not accusing you of lying. It's either the info you're using, the way you're interpreting it, or the way you're posting it on here that's incorrect.

That’s not what I said (well I did but...), it’s what I quoted word for word by copy and paste off the cannon site under the name ‘quarrium’ drives.
If your determine FTL as faster than light travel then I guess a quarrium drive can fit into that description, but wormholes are folds in space and they are currently theoretical let’s not forget and elite dangerous is as realistic as it gets. Hawkins theory predict wormholes to be able to transport something instantaneously through space essentially teleporting, so no actual travelling is needed. It’s just a ‘ta da!’ magic trick. FTL or ‘faster than light TRAVEL’ ( in its name ) is an object moving faster than the speed of light but you don't need to be moving faster than the speed of light to be transported by the worm hole.

 

[Tacticus2711]

Not sure if this was specifically for me or just references in general, but I'm very aware of these!

They all support (and are references for) the points I was making.

Just general references to people

 

[Thatchinho]

We should define what FTL means. What we are currently doing is more transitions than FTL. Keep mind that I define Transition from Perry Rhodan as instant transit from one place to another whereas FTL from my point of view is more or less what Starfleet does with Warp Drive technology.

Well, call me crazy here...

But FTL is already defined. It means Faster Than Light. The definition is inherent.

People are free to define sub-divisions as much as they like, but ultimately if it means getting something getting somewhere faster than it could travelling through normal space at the speed of light, then it's faster than light.

Warp, Supercruise, Hyperdrives, Infinite Improbability Drives, Wormholes, Instant Transmission, Ridiculous Speed, Ludicrous Speed, etc. - they're all FTL.

It's a catchall term.

 

[Tacticus2711]

The drives developed by the INRA are ones capable of superluminin speeds

 

[Thatchinho]

That’s not what I said (well I did but...), it’s what I quoted word for word by copy and paste off the cannon site under the name ‘quarrium’ drives.
If your determine FTL as faster than light travel then I guess a quarrium drive can fit into that description, but wormholes are folds in space and they are currently theoretical let’s not forget and elite dangerous is as realistic as it gets. Hawkins theory predict wormholes to be able to transport something instantaneously through space essentially teleporting, so no actual travelling is needed. It’s just a ‘ta da!’ magic trick. FTL or ‘faster than light TRAVEL’ ( in its name ) is an object moving faster than the speed of light but you don't need to be moving faster than the speed of light to be transported by the worm hole.

Hey, like I said, I wasn't accusing you of anything and I said the source might be wrong.

The only point I'd make there is it's probably worth sense checking what the sources say.

I use FTL as faster than light. If we're talking about travelling, which we are, then it's FTL travel.

Quirium Drives were Hyperdrives. The fuel used was called Quirium. Hyperdrives in this context being a drive for transiting through hyperspace. It's a form of FTL travel.

Wormholes would also involve travelling - they need to be entered, traversed and exited.

If we're talking realistically then you can't ever be moving faster than the speed of light, and all hypothetical forms of FTL travel involve getting around that restriction in a form where you don't locally move faster than light (which you can't) but still arrive at the destination faster than light would (if that light was travelling the 'ordinary' route through normal space).

 

[Exocortex]

Speaking of rogue planets, I wonder if it's possible that they're already in Stellar Forge, but unimplemented. It wouldn't be unprecedented, since we have instances of stations orbiting comets that have no physical representations in the game. I would be sad if Raxxla turned out to be something that technically has been in the game (or at least in the code) since Gamma, but is effectively undiscoverable.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Speaking of rogue planets, I wonder if it's possible that they're already in Stellar Forge, but unimplemented. It wouldn't be unprecedented, since we have instances of stations orbiting comets that have no physical representations in the game. I would be sad if Raxxla turned out to be something that technically has been in the game (or at least in the code) since Gamma, but is effectively undiscoverable.

I think it's reasonable to assume that FDev aren't willfully screwing over their playerbase by not actually implementing Raxxla.

A bug which stops it appearing, on the other hand...

 

[Exocortex]

I think it's reasonable to assume that FDev aren't willfully screwing over their playerbase by not actually implementing Raxxla.

A bug which stops it appearing, on the other hand...

Agreed. That is a reasonable assumption. Hopefully they built some nice automated tests around the "finding Raxxla" sequence.