May have been reference to various naval forces employing privateers, maybe false flags / pirates?
Agreed re Lori and no, I haven't seen a way to get in SD without Founder or Elite (Trade in my case).
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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Agreed re Lori and no, I haven't seen a way to get in SD without Founder or Elite (Trade in my case).
I think DB got things a bit mixed up. Flying a defaced ensign sounds a lot like the federal and imperial naval rank system.
Mmm no I don’t think so. He seemed to be implying that there were different flavours of PF, which is true if EFP are a thing in-game. And it’s the EPF which makes ED dangerous (can’t see this), all talking around the subject of an in-game bounty mechanism applied by PF which would naturally control griefing (big fail there!).
Firstly Id heard DB say that high off the elliptical plane would be a good place to hide things - so that's 3 areas that has been referred to as somewhere to hide stuff. Also DB has specified Raxxla is discoverable and not permit locked. No such mention of the DW so Im separating the two.
Yes, agreed, don't think its as simple as just getting allied to them all, that may just be a first step or at least some of them will 'trigger' something else at a certain point or achievement. Which makes me worried that this will be a CG type thing and not really a secretive organisation...time will tell. If they are even in the game atm.
Except Jorki is allied with all of them (except t’ young lass that recently appeared & is Palin’s sacrificial offering to t’thargoids (who’s the nearest engineer to Col 70?)), has been for a long time and never got any mission or been offered any other test from them. But yes, that is another example of the in-game test mechanism. So there is a test for engineer acceptance, there may be a similar test for the mysterious Elite Federation of Pilots, and we hope for
a similar test for TRDW so we can get some hints as to Raxxla’s location.
Yes, agreed, don't think its as simple as just getting allied to them all, that may just be a first step or at least some of them will 'trigger' something else at a certain point or achievement. Which makes me worried that this will be a CG type thing and not really a secretive organisation...time will tell. If they are even in the game atm.
Can you substantiate that?
I suspect they’re in-game as a faction, but under a different name. That would allow all the usual mission mechanisms etc to be discretely used for the test. I know reputation has been in-game from the outset, but was wondering in the early hours (insomnia, again!!!) how long influence has been used? Wonder if you’ve got to tip the influence over a certain limit perhaps, or keep on building reputation beyond Allied 100%? It’s possible there’s a hidden tracker that maintains a higher level for this. DBOBE’s Malmo talk did have “stats tracking” on one of the slides....
Getting a bit fed up with my current hypothesis, I’ve been working for this faction for ages without anything out of the ordinary happening (apart from duplicate structural regulators at two sites I had to retrieve them from). It’s getting tedious. Can’t see anything obvious that could be “a suitable test of courage and skill”; don’t think it’s likely to be an assassination mission; they’re supposed to be adventurers not killers.
The EFP was set up to carry out Elite missions, DB example is a diplomats daughter needing transport, so the diplomat would contact the EFP to get an elite pilot. That's all it is, an introduction agency getting the best contracts. However the EFP allow us rl players to join without being elite as its just a kill counter not a test of skill in their eyes so we can do the harmless missions that they don't want to waste an elite pilot on. For combat that is, assume other ranks work the same, we get different ranked trader missions after all. DW was originally an offshoot of the PF and I still think its different or separate to the EFP but may have been ret-conned...No idea who the Club actually are, what their intentions are or where they fit in but if they are the new DW that's a sell-out to me, Ill just have to live with it.
At least that's what I understood from it.
What is the point of the defaced flag? Is it a ship that will be commandeered if needed first above ones not flying the flag? Or is it just a 'supporters club' flag but obviously they cant fly the real one as its restricted to Royal Navy vessels only? Does it give extra 'protection' at sea somehow? (Roman citizens had rights all across the Roman Empire type of thing and officials were less likely to mess with them than another traveller) I get the feeling its just a rich boys toy to display their arrogance and probably a hangover from a distant past where they could pretend to be more important. - nice side issue DB, now we have a mystery we might actually solve
At least that's what I understood from it.
What is the point of the defaced flag? Is it a ship that will be commandeered if needed first above ones not flying the flag? Or is it just a 'supporters club' flag but obviously they cant fly the real one as its restricted to Royal Navy vessels only? Does it give extra 'protection' at sea somehow? (Roman citizens had rights all across the Roman Empire type of thing and officials were less likely to mess with them than another traveller) I get the feeling its just a rich boys toy to display their arrogance and probably a hangover from a distant past where they could pretend to be more important. - nice side issue DB, now we have a mystery we might actually solve
That’s the one. Wonder if I could buy some life insurance on her.............
and can you substatiate that either ?
if not on either place please do not state as fact that which is rumour..
Pretty sure it was in the original statement of 'no clues' but cant find that now. Not the one asked by DJ to MB which confirmed the no clues but the original statement where that came from. think it was 'There will be no clues' and also included that it was 'discoverable' by anybody, no permits needed.
Find that original quote if you can and Im sure its there. If not Ive read it off someone else analysis of that quote and will happily accept that.
That ones easy, The Dark Wheel novella in 1984 game. PF was exploiting people or seen as corrupt at the top and DW was set up as the protector or good guys and had found and lost Raxxla. think they were protecting Raxxla from the exploitative PF was the idea.
I interpret the defaced flag comment as meaning the EFP are the real elite military outfit, PF is a “subsidiary” of lesser qualified individuals. IRL a white ensign can only be legitimately flown by British Royal Navy ships and shore establishments, members of the Royal Yacht Squadron and by ships of Trinity House escorting the reigning monarch, and a couple of exceptions.
I guess that's not how I read it, hence my comment. Unless you can show me where I missed it, nowhere does it identify the PF as the villians, but maybe I missed it. If you can show me the relevant text, I'm happy to be convinced.
Is it worth collecting what we think we know has been definitely said by fdev/DB/MB etc and getting them to confirm it. My hopes aint high but if we get together and ask?
Not asking for new information, just clarity on what has been said by who and what has been mis-reported.
eg Did DB say it was in game from the beginning and discoverable? Yes or No will do.
Did DB say he 'knows why people haven't been able to find it' yes or no
Please confirm or deny the 'honk and moved on' rumour as it keeps coming back with no source so a denial would put it to bed.
Just asking, what have you said and what have you not said but has been attributed to you so we can make sure all the info you have already given is correct in our minds, just clarity as theres bits all over and half the time the source has vanished or isn't even on the Frontier YT channel at all. eg DJ interview is on DJ website, not Frontier.
And now this above as well, is this correct or has it changed from then? Clarity is all Im asking for as its an evolving game and storyline.
Not asking for new information, just clarity on what has been said by who and what has been mis-reported.
eg Did DB say it was in game from the beginning and discoverable? Yes or No will do.
Did DB say he 'knows why people haven't been able to find it' yes or no
Please confirm or deny the 'honk and moved on' rumour as it keeps coming back with no source so a denial would put it to bed.
Just asking, what have you said and what have you not said but has been attributed to you so we can make sure all the info you have already given is correct in our minds, just clarity as theres bits all over and half the time the source has vanished or isn't even on the Frontier YT channel at all. eg DJ interview is on DJ website, not Frontier.
And now this above as well, is this correct or has it changed from then? Clarity is all Im asking for as its an evolving game and storyline.
Never experienced any fast track to combat Elite in any of my accounts, which was and still is one of the most time consuming of the three Elite's.
The tourist beacon 0246 in SD says that: 'There was no way they could satisfy anything like all the demands on them, so they formed "The Elite Federation of Pilots". This was a sub-group of the Pilots Federation'
You can speed up combat (and crew) rank using compromised nav beacons eg. LTT 4487 (near SD).
Trust me I did, and I still wonder why there's any pirates left
On another note, the installation at LFT 926, Cluster Belt 1, has a Civilian Installation contact that can be scanned. When scanned, a number of Hackable Maintenance Hatch and a Hackable Comms Array appears. The Satelitte contact does not seem to be scannable with the Data Link Scanner. And there's currently a battle going on...
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'The hell he would,' Rafe said, staring at the younger man from the shimmering holoFac on the bridge. 'The ship that killed Jason was no pirate. He was killed because he'd found something. Something that certain parties were deeply unhappy that he'd found.'...
Who do you think attacked them in 1984, long before the Club et al? Who are the 'certain parties' if not the only existing organisation at that time, the PF who had supposedly found and exploited Raxxla for their own ends? There may have been more references in later games I cant remember. I also think there may have been more in the actual manual which introduced you to the Elite universe but I lost that long ago. Or may have been in an interview in BBC Micro magazine at the time or a hundred other long lost sources.
Overall though, its not important today as its been ret-conned. My question is who is the DW now, are they protectors or the mafia basically, are they separate to the Club? I don't know whats what any more or how many different groups there are or where they fit in....it used to be so simple.
Who do you think attacked them in 1984, long before the Club et al? Who are the 'certain parties' if not the only existing organisation at that time, the PF who had supposedly found and exploited Raxxla for their own ends? There may have been more references in later games I cant remember. I also think there may have been more in the actual manual which introduced you to the Elite universe but I lost that long ago. Or may have been in an interview in BBC Micro magazine at the time or a hundred other long lost sources.
Overall though, its not important today as its been ret-conned. My question is who is the DW now, are they protectors or the mafia basically, are they separate to the Club? I don't know whats what any more or how many different groups there are or where they fit in....it used to be so simple.
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'Twisted men', Could've been the ciep. Im sure in the vastness of space there would be a near unlimited number of unknown and/or unknowable organizations. Who is to say it wasnt a former DW member that started their own group because of differences in ideology of how to find raxxla or what to do once it was found.
The fact that it was never specifically clarified doesnt confirm that it was anyone specific but exactly the opposite. It could be anyone.
The fact that it was never specifically clarified doesnt confirm that it was anyone specific but exactly the opposite. It could be anyone.
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So it doesnt say that its the PF and therefore this is your conjecture, but you stated it as a fact. Its easy to start rumours this way. Just trying to be clear, before others get the wrong impression.
Like the 'someone honked it' which has never been verified and is therefore as good as untrue.
The known facts are on the front page, and yes I mean all of them.. anything else is hearsay and surmise (I sound like the man in the shack in HHG2G now...)