Not with ED, where you literally don't need much credits to start playing and try any activities. Credits are only required to get the top-level gear.
LTD mining is overpowered and it kills all other activities
okay
Which is generally what the barrier to entry to any serious attempt to do anything but shuttle data from one station to another consists of.
Like sure, you could try and do basically anything else on the cheap, but the already low rewards for doing it would be even lower. Exploration is about the only thing you can seriously engage with without at least the ability to buy and A rate most of a medium size ship.
Can't really agree with it. Probably the only thing you can't do in a cheap ship is combat activities. Exploration, planetary stuff, guardians, mining, engineers, trading, passengers - everything is accessible. Sure you can't do top-level part of some activities, but to be honest there is almost no difference in gameplay, it's mostly about improving QoL in game and nothing more.
which would be true if engineering was not a thing. you can buy the "best" ship in the game according to you but if you don't engi it up its still gonna get its teeth kicked in. we should not be lowering pay outs of activities when it can cost you over a billion creds to buy and outfit ship lowering pay is just a bad idea unless your goal is to drive away newer players.
btw your ignoring that a good chunk of the ships are faction locked as well so even if players have all the money they still have to grind out their rep anyway.
Engineering is required anyway, no matter if you have credits or not, so it's not an argument
yes but the fact that your required to engineer to have a viable ship means that creds are not important. you cant buy mats for engineers. so it does not matter how many creds a person has they will still have to do the grind just like everyone else. get it? engineering is already a grind we don't need to be adding more grind by nerfing ltd. we should be boosting payout on other options instead making them viable way to make creds.
The problem isn't that LTDs are over powered. The problem is that the pay for everything else is crap.
Combat is fun but the repair, ammo, and possible re-buy costs make the risk/reward not really worth it.
Missions pay so little that they are pretty much only worth doing for the reputation, role play, and rare engineering materials.
Trading comes closest to mining but it is still not that profitable and market fluctuations could result in losing money on a load.
Combat is fun but the repair, ammo, and possible re-buy costs make the risk/reward not really worth it.
Missions pay so little that they are pretty much only worth doing for the reputation, role play, and rare engineering materials.
Trading comes closest to mining but it is still not that profitable and market fluctuations could result in losing money on a load.
not really, as I said - engineering is out of context here
No one argues that there should be decent way to get money in game. Problem is that current best way also involve least risk, and least complexion. Which makes much riskier and complex game element pointless and frustrating.
As for engineering.
Completely un-engineered cutter still capable of earn way more money via laser-mining, than corvette with 20+ hours involved to fully engineering it for bounty hunting, or 5+ hours engineering for exploration anaconda. Hell, un-engineered ship will earn way more money with laser-mining even compared to fully engineered ship for deep-core mining.
which is why we should increase combat and exploration pay not drag down mining pay. the only players that are really affected by credits are the new players who are not established. engineering is already gatekeeping combat we don't need a 2nd wall for new players it would kill ED by driving away new players.
you want to nerf mining and essential lower the payout for doing mining. this is a massive problem since credits really only matter to new players once a player is established and fully kitted up credits are a null factor we only need it to rebuy and people are not buy a cutter every other day. the reason engineers matter its the grind players Have to do AFTER they finish the credit grind. why does it matter in a topic where your asking to nerf a credit farm? because if you nerf the credit farm it means new players will now have two points that they have to heavily grind on they will have to grind both credits and engineers, and your asking to slow down their ability to farm credits, this is gonna kill off new players because they are gonna hit that credit grind look at it then see the engineering grind that looms behind it and go heck no I don't need a second job.
here's the thing if you want to increase the payout so that combat and exploration are better hell i think most people will be for that. but slaming the breaks on LTD mining just because it earns more than combat or exploration is a bad Idea you should be lifting up not tearing down.
- Credits are easy from mining.
- New players can learn mining easily, get rich fast. Low skill, low risk, very easy.
- Unlocking engineers introduces players to other aspects of the game. Small hurdles. (good IMO)
- Gathering mats might seem a pain for new players that got credits so easily. Don't do much other activities so watch videos on how to brainless easy grinding methods for mats for hours and hours and complain on forums. Easily conclude that the game is all about grinding.
If Mining wasn't so easy, low risk, and lucrative, other aspects of the game would become more attractive activities for those trying to progress quickly. Gaining engineering mats without silly mindless grinding would be more intuitive within the other gameplay activities and more syncronized with the pace of gaining credits. Oh well. Too late.
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I do not understand why FDev would make such an easy activity with low skill, risk, effort, the most significant pathway to riches in the game. Most other games I have played you gotta level up, learn the game, and kill the big dragon to get rich.
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Only if you regard acquiring credits as the primary goal of the game. You can get your credits by mining and then spend them on doing the fun stuff because once you've got a couple of billion what do you need to mine more for? Other than a big dumb money sink like a fleet carrier that won't actually directly help you do anything, or an A rated version of every ship in the game despite the fact you can only fly one at a time.
Yeah, that's true of mining and basically nothing else. So despite how trivial it is to get credits from mining the actual progression curve in basically everything else is dominated by engineering materials not credits at all.
I agree that the extrinsic rewards for other activities should be boosted so that they feel more rewarding whilst doing them, but I don't necessarily think that increasing credit rewards alone are the way to achieve that.
For example I think planet exploration value should increase for planets with geological/biological features (which should be able to be identified to increase it more) and terraformables/elws should increase in value with their closeness to Earth in terms of gravity, temperature, etc), but there's no need for exploration to give the same credit return as mining, the increased credits would just be a reason to interact with more of the system as you do it, instead promote explorers by giving more visibility of what's been found recently and by who, because nobody explores for the money, it's for the cred of seeing your name on the galaxy map next to a shiny planet. So an explorer's newsletter for the people who care, which you can get your name into and be recognised among the cognoscenti would be cool.
I don't want to nerf mining ¯\(ツ)/¯
funny you say that because this says otherwise
all those listed suggestions would be a complete nerf to mining anyone with half a brain can see that. and yea your last suggestion which i cut out for sake of space said or raise the pay on all other actives but that does not change the fact that almost every other single idea you posted to "fix" LTD mining is a straight nerf. they they would ether making it 10x harder to mine or cut the profits. It doesn't matter if you claim you don't want to nerf LTD mining when 90% of your first post is literally asking for them to nerf LTD.
If you truly didn't want to nerf LTD then you would have not asked for changes to it, you would have just posted something like this "raise the pay on all other activities to match LTD"
no it's not. I'm not asking about nerf, I'm asking about either complete rebalance of the in-game economy, or inplementing dynamic market & dynamic mining. It's not to make mining less profitable, rather to make it more challenging and/or more interesting.
or when you say stuff like this ^^^ your clearly hacked off that LTD produce so much credits and you clearly want it nerfed, because these are not statements somebody who claims they don't want it nerfed would say. you are literally complaining about how much money ltd makes in this post. so please spare the "I don't want to nerf LTD" , no one's gonna buy it.
That would drop the value of LTDs to almost nothing pretty much overnight, or sooner
Sure, in comparison with other activities or in-game prices. But the overall point not about nerfing LTDs - it will not solve the issue - rather to rebalance and/or improve the whole economy
That's the point. LTDs would drop, other will rise. Then the other way around. Then something new will appear. The point is not to have a one single best-profit thing in the game.