Whoa! OK calm down abit ppl on the word accessible. Accessible = findable , firstly.

Secondly, I used the word as an assumption based on the fact that this Quest to Find Raxxla, the Potato Hunt, and other searches ect, are all based on the assumption that Raxxla is both in game and accessible/findable, otherwise, WHY ARE WE LOOKING FOR IT, if we are assuming its not been inserted into the game/accessible for us to find...?

like come on... if your not willing to work under the assumption its accessible/findable, then why bother looking at all??

that's all I'm saying.... anyways.... as I originally said and everyone repeated, yes, everything is technically possible and an argument can be made either way for almost anything, but you have to take what you do have as 'evidence' and rely on that as much as you are willing too as possible facts, and then read between the lines and make more assumptions.

Until fdev comes out with a direct statement or these places/things are found, your right, we could all be 99% wrong in all our assumptions. But to claim its not accessible now, is to me like saying, why bother looking at all? Why even talk about it? If you think it's not there for us now, then why are you here? Just to make others believe you that it's not there, and ruin there experience of looking? I doubt it... its more likely that more than 50% of ppl actively looking for these believe based on what shaky 'evidence' we have, they are in game and accessible in some fashion, even if just POIs, so it's a reasonable assumption to make in this thread I think to use the word accessible, regardless of the facts that yes, they could be in permit locked areas.

I will admit sure, there are lots of things like POIs that don't show in the system maps, but again, if we go back to the basics and the assumptions made in this thread several times that they've been in game since launch, than there is a very limited set of options for these things to be, unless of course they've been completely redone and changed, which again, sure is a possibility, but I believe if they were already ingame as say orbital Stations, as we assume the DW is, that's its unlikely they completely scrapped them and made them into somthing else...not impossible, but I think unlikely due to the costs of scrapping and remaking existing models as a whole. And then atleast the DW station, would be on these system maps we have if it existed. Even Asteroid stations are visible on the system map. I admit raxxla was a bad thing to say originally since we don't what it is, but the DW is +90% likely a station in orbit of a moon of a gas giant, and again an assumption, likely should show on the system map, especially if that map was supposed to be hidden from us but got out due to a mistake, i doubt fdev is just prepared with things deleted from maps and obfuscated in a system they think we cant get into at all anyways, that'd be alot of work on a system youve locked all plyrs out of already anyway, why bother, just make the system how you want, why manipulate the map before needing too?... and sure the legends say DW avoids detection, but there's no proof that actually means it doesn't show up on your system map still once you've accessed the system map, especially a purchased one, not fss yourself, nor that it's possible for fdev to even have an actual orbital station not show up on its system map at all.... if you think thats all possible, then why would these places being accessible not be possible as well??

And yes fdev inserts over time, nothing new there, but this particular story line, or w.e. you want to call DW/Raxxla, has been talked about since launch as being in game, so saying they havnt inserted it yet, is basically, essentially, calling fdev/drew liars flat out... sure it could be locked behind permits, ill admit that, even if I think theyre unlikely to be behind unknown permits, but to say they physically don't exist in any accessible/findable way in game is to call these ppl liars, and im not willing to go that far without actual hard proof, like 100% of the galaxy explored and mapped.

Lol I'm just saying, everything is both possible and not possible at this point yes, but to ignore some things that you can likely infer some fairly reasonably reasoned 'evidence' from, isn't the best way to be looking for somthing... sure you can argue both sides of every theory at this point, but claiming things flat out don't exist or only exist in lockedout out spaces, when we have no other evidence that they are there, is just a waste of time and conjecture at best, I could claim Aliens live at Fort Knox in America since its the most secure building on earth, but like come-on, I have no proof and there is ample proof that they store gold there, not aliens... gotta take what you do have as evidence before you can make assumptions or leaps is all I'm saying...
 
Though I will say, I like that I got a conversation going again, last few weeks been kinda quite with just small bursts of light comments lol....

But if someone can give me evidence that Polaris is hiding somthing to do with DW/Raxxla, im more than willing to listen, but so far there isn't ANY that I'm aware of point us to Polairs for this story arch...

There's evidence of Polaris having Thargoid history/connections, but not DW/raxxla... (and yes I get it, DW/raxxla and thargoids could also be connected, blah blah blah, show me some hard proof of that, not just conjecture)
 
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/ayhy85/confirmation_by_drew_wagar_that_raxxla_is_indeed/


Is a link to Drew saying in no uncertain terms, Raxxla is IN GAME and fdev knows where it is.
Point blank.

Sure this could mean just a reference to the codex entry, but look at Drews face and listen to his tone. He whole-heartedly believes it exists ingame in some accessible format.

i really dont think hed have been allowed to walk away from that conversation believing that if it wasnt true. He was a close friend and I doubt they'd lied flat out to him.


Anyways, all conjecture, let's move on with our assumptions again XD in Polaris not in Polaris, until someone gets into Polaris, next topic please 😇
 
My point entirely, discussion is important and can get things moving when they get stale.

Critical thinking is good. All theories here are viable, in my opinion.

To entertain the possibility that Raxxla / DW is either not in game or not accessible or is narratively locked is not, in my opinion a limited perspective towards finding them.

It is only limited if one is fixed upon only 1 theory, one has to entertain multiple theories, then weight them up against each other.

Firstly acknowledging our own limitations and challenging bias enables us to widen our understanding and perspective. It’s not meant to be an argument, it’s a scientific principle.

Secondly entertaining such theories, challenging them, retesting them, from time to time can allow us to see intelligence gaps.

Intelligence gaps are valuable, because it can not only assist us to refocus our resources better; but it can also identify hidden behavioural attributes, which normally can not be seen and make projections as to ‘where it will / may be’ in the future, or even discover other elements unlinked but likewise hidden from general view.
 
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Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/ayhy85/confirmation_by_drew_wagar_that_raxxla_is_indeed/


Is a link to Drew saying in no uncertain terms, Raxxla is IN GAME and fdev knows where it is.
Point blank.

Sure this could mean just a reference to the codex entry, but look at Drews face and listen to his tone. He whole-heartedly believes it exists ingame in some accessible format.

i really dont think hed have been allowed to walk away from that conversation believing that if it wasnt true. He was a close friend and I doubt they'd lied flat out to him.


Anyways, all conjecture, let's move on with our assumptions again XD in Polaris not in Polaris, until someone gets into Polaris, next topic please 😇
I have always thought of this...what if the "We" didnt mean Fdev at all and was some sort of riddle, They obviously said this to drew for a reason, as one of the most known and watched Elite fans/players at the time and still currently I doubt they would have said this to him out of ignorance, or they just used him for marketing more than his storyline input (Most likely this)
 
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Random Conjecture, conversation stimulus.
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If Raxxla can indeed move/change systems/travels on a route through systems....

And if Raxxla is a 'device/station/portal/' , with the possible ability/power/portal to send you anywhere in the MilkyWay galaxy, basically unlimited range FSD booster-field thinggggy ....


Couldn't then the timeline for discovery of Raxxla/the earliest record of Raxxla, then mean it could be much further away from the rough 200ly bubble being searched by most ppl?

If we have a 200 year and 200ly bubble now, it could stand to reason that Raxxla was 'discovered', somewhere on its Travels/path thru the galaxy, when it was closer to Sol/the bubble, very early in the days of human expansion, but then it moved, and began getting farther and farther away, and could have been well more than 200ly away, easily, by the first recording of its existence, and anyone who has been there, stayed there, found it again since, was able to return to the "Sol bubble" using its powers, but by the time they can travel back in normal space to it to use it again, it's moved....?

Ideas? Comments? Long running theory I've been noodling along side others lol
 
Also, lmao...

I said "unlimited range FSD booster-field thinggggy"

This lol is unfortunately not even that much if a stretch to think is really real in game.

We know our ships can explode anywhere and we 'escape' in our remlocks/escape pods...
But our physical bodies, can go from beyond Begal Point, all the way back to Sol, in a nearly instant.... which would mean that lore wise, we have sort of, unlimited range FSD, they must just be very limited to minimal weight, and likely organics of some kind, ect, as we can't even take scan data, just our bodies...

But there's potential in the lore for that tech, to have been stolen/reverse engineered from once found, deciphered, and used, Raxxla or potentially, Guardian tech... And that original tech could have/be much more powerful and capable
 
Also, lmao...

I said "unlimited range FSD booster-field thinggggy"

This lol is unfortunately not even that much if a stretch to think is really real in game.

We know our ships can explode anywhere and we 'escape' in our remlocks/escape pods...
But our physical bodies, can go from beyond Begal Point, all the way back to Sol, in a nearly instant.... which would mean that lore wise, we have sort of, unlimited range FSD, they must just be very limited to minimal weight, and likely organics of some kind, ect, as we can't even take scan data, just our bodies...

But there's potential in the lore for that tech, to have been stolen/reverse engineered from once found, deciphered, and used, Raxxla or potentially, Guardian tech... And that original tech could have/be much more powerful and capable
Perhaps Raxxla was found and they have been using it to FSD our escape pods home being we are the Elite CMDR's of the Pilots Fed//Dark Wheel Associates ;) :unsure:
 
Perhaps Raxxla was found and they have been using it to FSD our escape pods home being we are the Elite CMDR's of the Pilots Fed//Dark Wheel Associates ;) :unsure:
Exactly, maybe the whomever, use Raxxla's powers for our instant communication and escape systems, but thats all they really can do right now, and they hold the location secret because it both moves, and is the source of all of humanities ability to be "safe" and have access to information and communication while traversing the galaxy, and if people, like the winking cat or others, messed with it in anyway, we could loose everything forever 🤦‍♂️😁 or like, once somthing as large as a ship uses it, it's permanently set for large things like ships, and communication breaks or somthing.... who know... needs more work XD
 
Exactly, maybe the whomever, use Raxxla's powers for our instant communication and escape systems, but thats all they really can do right now, and they hold the location secret because it both moves, and is the source of all of humanities ability to be "safe" and have access to information and communication while traversing the galaxy, and if people, like the winking cat or others, messed with it in anyway, we could loose everything forever 🤦‍♂️😁 or like, once somthing as large as a ship uses it, it's permanently set for large things like ships, and communication breaks or somthing.... who know... needs more work XD
Maybe Raxxla is only found by dying over and over again where finally the game realizes this guy dies so much lets show him the way..... :ROFLMAO:
 
Maybe Raxxla is only found by dying over and over again where finally the game realizes this guy dies so much lets show him the way..... :ROFLMAO:
Lol, I did have a theory once about trying to do a self destruction just as your FSD is kicking in, like literally just before it locks your view straight Forward, or if it was possible, while already in the hyperspace tunnel, and see what happens.... lmao XD but never attempted... figured youd load into white nothingness of Raxxla... XD XD
 
I also have another theory that involves dying, but just as an means to start....

I wonder, and I dont think it's been done...

What would happen if a CMDR, never left the Permit locked Pilots Federation worlds?
And got to Elite, maybe double elite, trade and exploration .... although I don't think exploration would be possible to achieve in those confined systems tbh.... but trade should be in theory, it would just take forever....

And if you never left or get kicked out, and got elite, what would happen?
Would you still get the Elite permits?
🤔🧐
 
Lol, I did have a theory once about trying to do a self destruction just as your FSD is kicking in, like literally just before it locks your view straight Forward, or if it was possible, while already in the hyperspace tunnel, and see what happens.... lmao XD but never attempted... figured youd load into white nothingness of Raxxla... XD XD
Iv done that, turns out it doesnt actually let you self destruct while engaging fsd
 
I also have another theory that involves dying, but just as an means to start....

I wonder, and I dont think it's been done...

What would happen if a CMDR, never left the Permit locked Pilots Federation worlds?
And got to Elite, maybe double elite, trade and exploration .... although I don't think exploration would be possible to achieve in those confined systems tbh.... but trade should be in theory, it would just take forever....

And if you never left or get kicked out, and got elite, what would happen?
Would you still get the Elite permits?
🤔🧐
I doubt it would involve Raxxla, If it did people would be furious those systems didnt exist only until recently
 
I doubt it would involve Raxxla, If it did people would be furious those systems didnt exist only until recently
Trueeeeee......

Wasn't thinking...

I hate that I didn't know about ED when it launched, it's hard to always remind myself of what was available at launch vs now, when I didn't even know about elite until Beyond pushed out, and even then was more just watching a buddy play from time to time, I didn't even buy the game till Horizons when you could land on surfaces, lmaoo (then i bought on xbox and PC, lmaoo, i love me some VR)... but man oh man since then.... information overload lmaooo....

Someone needs to write the encyclopedia of elite dangerous one day XD XD...
 
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Trueeeeee......

Wasn't thinking...

I hate that I didn't know about ED when it launched, it's hard to always remind myself of what was available at launch vs now, when I didn't even know about elite until Beyond pushed out, and even then was more just watching a buddy play from time to time, I didn't even buy the game till Horizons when you could land on surfaces, lmaoo (then i bought on xbox and PC, lmaoo, i love me some VR)... but man oh man since then.... information overload lmaooo....

Someone needs to write the encyclopedia of elite dangerous one day XD XD...
They have done, It comes in Paperback, Hard copy and an Ebook

 
They have done, It comes in Paperback, Hard copy and an Ebook

Lol after reading the reviews and quotes on that book, I kinda really wanna read it now XD

It may help decode the vagueness of the DW toast and Raxxla legends...

If not, atleast it might tech me how to be so vague about things to ppl they think I'm illuminati or Free Mason or some such thing XD
 
Ill just throw this down here. Since I've stated this theory before in other places. Its my (VERY tenuous) theory that Raxxla is in CD-37 10033:

The short of it:
Guardian Civ + Wclass stars.
Reading though the old data from guardian obelisks, it implies very subtly guardian connections to Wolfs. Particularly how the stars cooling affected their evolution, and rise of civilization.
Guardian "Bubble" is mostly centered around a Wolf, "Gamma Velorum".
Second Guardian "Bubble" is also centered around a Wolf as well.
Guardian AI constructs are missing from history.
Guardian Constructs gone somewhere far.
Constructs speak to humanity via dreams.
Dark Wheel know this, spent centuries gathering up "evidence" from affected individuals, records at hidden station, never actually found physical Raxxla.
Jasmine Haley and Gan Romero have dreams recently. EDIT (now D-2 as well! From the Hyford Cache mystery at Oaken Point)
Jasmine says; "I saw a place of extraordinary beauty. A paradise. It was truly wonderful. This was no dream – it was a glimpse of something very real. We must find this place. It could be our future".
She also describes them as "architects of creation"
Romero records; "an area of space, not black but radiant…glowing like heaven"
Systems inside single system nebulas have a sky bright and radiant (like Bubble Nebula).
CD-37 is a Wolf-Rayet inside such a nebula.

As stated; VERY tenuous. Have to assume with little evidence of Raxxla-Guardian connection 1st.
Basic gist: We got to find the DW base (my money is in Polaris) first before we can properly look for Raxxla. The records there will reveal both the length of time the DW has been looking for Raxxla, as well as all their accumulated evidence for it's existence.
Well, if you believe Raxxla is in a Wolf Rayet system have you looked in LAWD26? I’ve pointed out several times in this thread that system is a huge anomaly since DB supposedly believes in scientific accuracy for ED. WR are highly luminous objects due to their high temperatures, Gamma Velorum (supposed Guardian home system) is a naked eye object from Sol though its over 1000 ly away. If it were IRL LAWD 26 would be the brightest thing in our sky, outshining our sun - “Just a tiny bit obvious”???
 
Nothing is confirmed regards Raxxla or the Dark Wheel; anything is potentially permitted within reason until proved otherwise.

Being devils advocate I’ll try and respond to your own assumptions, this is not meant to be counter intuitive but to challenge any and all assumptions, even my own. And open the floor for critical thinking.

We don’t actually know if any content - if it is potentially within a permit locked system is currently visible, that it maybe obfuscated either because they don’t appear on a scanner (eye ball Mk i only) or it simply requires FD to actively turn/insert them in/on.

Likewise it is equally possible that the evidence provided of the content of these ‘empty’ systems is evidence they are not related to the DW / Raxxla; it therefore remains an unknown or intelligence gap.

Raxxla is described as being in game and within the galaxy it has never been described as ‘accessible’; please provide a source if there is one because this potentially is one of the biggest bits of evidence which could flip our assessment of the evidence from ‘maybe’ to certain.

It is believable that the Raxxla / DW station would not be in-game for all this time, as it is not outside the realms of plausibility.

It is not a nice idea but it’s not impossible; as there is no evidence to the contrary; any informed assumption must be made upon existing evidence anything else is conjecture / projection and open to bias, as such this falls under an intelligence gap, its in the unknown, if it’s an unknown it’s still possible, we must be open to our own biases, again it informs the previous assessments / assumptions.

FD states Raxxla is in game but they never confirmed it’s accessible, if it is narratively locked it can technically be said to be in game but not actually physically there.

eg ‘we know where it is - because we hand crafted a system for it, the location exists, however it’s empty, but the content exists because we storyboarded it, it’s forms part of our 10 year narrative and will get inserted at x date.’ (Not a quote but a made up example).

It is logical to assume that unobtainable permits may simply be irrelevant; based upon FD behaviour of removing / delaying content, therefore the possibility of there being no implementation at all, remains a possibility.

Equally said permits may be relevant, therefore it falls within an intelligence gap, and it is possible that Polaris is locked simply due to its previous lore relationships, and is not related to the DW / Raxxla.

The existence of the codex doesn’t confirm any such content is currently in game, this was confirmed by FD when I directly questioned them (evidence in thread) regards these entries, as they answered with their catch-all phrase that certain factions and permits may not currently be active.

Such an informed assumption identifies that some parts of the codex are narrative implements, possibly to prime us for future content or to cover over historical errors / retconned lore.

Any statements made by senior executives or employees although reliable due to being a public statement, may not be totally trustworthy, as said conversations could have been made out of context, or said parties could themselves have been misinformed; content is open to change or removal from game altogether or may be totally narrative in nature.

From time to time DB made many statements regards proposals for future content, many of which were very detailed, many of which were storyboarded, some were coded and exist in the game logs; these were never resolved.

FD also confirmed they have removed content from the game; it is also apparent other content has either been removed or nerfed for the future, such as the ‘mission packs’…

The current CM stated ‘it’s out there’…’of course it’s out there’… ’the payoff would need to be big’… what that means is open to interpretation. However said statement mirrors almost exactly what said CM said regards other narratively driven content.

Said CM in the same statement confirmed FD insert content over time, an informed assumption is that such statements don’t confirm anything except that of a narrative element; however they are purposefully non confirmative due to the nature of the IP so it open to debate.

So what FD say is not 100% concrete, it is open to interpretation / change due to the development nature of the game and that all major content is actually drip fed and inserted over time.

Drew’s interpretation of the event although trustworthy is also still not directly known, and his interpretation of the event has changed over the years. Not saying it’s not true, but the context has been muddled, it could be biased.

At most, we can ‘choose’ to believe that FD public statements are accurate and trustworthy; if that holds true then an assessment can be made that there is a realistic possibility Raxxla is in game and discoverable that equates to a 50% likelihood, meaning it either is or isn’t… but maybe it is…

Anything else is open to debate or is an intelligence gap…

I think FD statements are accurate and trustworthy, but also they have a sense of humour, they want the search for Raxxla to be difficult, and their words can (and often are wrt Raxxla) highly ambiguous.

I suspect the “big payoff” for any discoverer of Raxxla is an invitation to visit FD HQ at Cambridge and see the new developments in progress (after signing an NDA). I suspect some have already done so.

So, I think it’s in-game, it’s in the Milky Way, there are clues, but it’s very hard to find. The one thing you didnt mention is the reputed statement by MB that a pilot has visited the system it’s in, honked but didnt find Raxxla. Although there is no evidence to back up this rumour I have no reason to doubt the veracity of the source. So the implication is that Raxxla exists but is either very difficult to detect or it is hidden in plain sight as an everyday object that people just ignore and dont explore.....

So either you need to be very close to Raxxla to honk and detect it, or it’s “dark” and you need to detect it visually (& this may be the real reason for the codex phrase about a dark station, as a hint to the way Raxxla is implemented in-game), or it’s disguised as an everyday object such as an asteroid (the logo may hint at this) or a space station or an npc or an installation (all of which have tunnels which might fit the omphalos hint in the codex).

IMHO these possibilities are far more likely than FD implementing it in a permit-locked system with no way to find the permit.
 
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