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Look at the date on it - it was a year ago.
Things have changed.
While I agree with you, I also disagree. Yes, ideally there would just be one game with a proper DLC. But Odyssey really and truly is not a DLC, it's an entirely separate game, quite literally. With that in mind, I think that's how it should be sold. If you want Horizons (no 4.0, just 3.8), buy that for cheap. If you want Odyssey, buy that for more (Horizons not required). Two separate games, like X3 and X4 (albeit with a shared BGS).
The problem is that Frontier continues to sell Odyssey as a DLC, requiring people to buy Horizons first, and this is why they have this mess on their hands and why people are confused, demanding cross-instancing and everything else. Frontier would not even need Horizons 4.0 if Odyssey was sold as a separate, independent game, "This is where our focus is now" game and Horizons was sold as "last year's game", supported but not expanded. It happens all the time in other games - Call of Duty, Battlefield, the aforementioned X3 vs X4, etc.
Elite-dangerous-64 is 21.7gb and Elite-dangerous-odyssey-64 is a round 50gb
We know instancing has changed, they promised they would bring the two back together, and that hasn't happened.
But you didn't buy Horizons 4.0 no matter how many times you want to claim you did. You bought Odyssey.
Also, what that roadmap ACTUALLY says is the horizons and odyssey players instancing together was to come "After Console Release". Which didn't happen.
Good grief, things changed.
No, you know you are wrong re buying Horizons 4.0.
So, currently, is completely accurate... Once EDO is released on consoles the instancing will happen, surely?
I can't up vote this response enough.
Thanks, that confirms that Horizons 4.0 is actually Odyssey. Then it does seem very weird that there is no Horizon 4.0 launcher option for Odyssey players..! Maybe someone can try the command line trick on the Odyssey client to see if they can instance with Horizons 4.0 players.
OK, then give me my money back. If NOT owning Odyssey is the only way to access Horizons 4.0, I will gladly accept a refund on the DLC.
You really don't get the real point here, do you ? I at least was looking forward to the unification of the code base ending the split in the playerbase. In an ideal scenario I could just launch Odyssey and instance with Horizons 4.0 players in space. Since that doesn't work, the next best thing would be me as an Odyssey owner getting the choice to launch my Odyssey client in Horizons mode to be able to play with Horizons 4.0 players. Not perfect, but still better what we have now: Both having to go back down to Horizons 3.8 to play together.
Especially as there's aspects on there that were or are TBC. If that doesn't tell you there's significant challenges with integrating aspects of odyssey and horizons together, I don't know what else you could say.
I look forward to you letting us know how you get on with that if you've played the DLC for more than a couple of hours.
This is where you are wrong. I'm quite confident that half the player base will not be playing Horizons 4.0. Based on my observations, more than half of the player base already has moved to Odyssey. Most of us who haven't rather play Horizons 3.8. If I wanted what H 4.0 offers, I would have already bought Odyssey. Now I will someday try H4, because it's free, so why not, and maybe by some miracle it will run flawlessly on my PC and I'll be wowed enough to go ahead and buy Odyssey. Or not, in which case I'll go back to 3.8. In other words, I'm not going to just live the rest of my days in H4.
The one big variable is the new player who downloads Horizons for the first time next week. I think Frontier has created a confusing mess for new players being introduced to the game for the first time (look how confused many veteran players are). See my last post for my full opinion regarding this.
I don't have your money, so you'll need to speak with whoever you bought it from.
...Good luck with that.
Since people are a bit confused about which version of the game corresponds to which set of files, here's a quick breakdown.
In the Elite Dangerous\Products directory, there are two subdirectories:
This is what gets executed for the various options in the launcher:
So having both Horizons 4.0 and Odyssey available would not add any extra files to the installation, they're all there already.
In the Elite Dangerous\Products directory, there are two subdirectories:
- elite-dangerous-64 (around 19.8GB, these are the files for 3.8)
- elite-dangerous-odyssey-64 (around 50GB, these are the files for 4.0)
This is what gets executed for the various options in the launcher:
- Elite Dangerous (the base game with no expansions) : elite-dangerous-64/EliteDangerous64.exe with the "SeasonOne" argument
- Arena: elite-dangerous-64/EliteDangerous64.exe with the "CQCArena" argument
- Horizons 3.8: elite-dangerous-64/EliteDangerous64.exe with no arguments
- Horizons 4.0: elite-dangerous-odyssey-64/EliteDangerous64.exe with the "SeasonTwo" argument
- Odyssey: elite-dangerous-odyssey-64/EliteDangerous64.exe with no arguments
So having both Horizons 4.0 and Odyssey available would not add any extra files to the installation, they're all there already.
There are no challenges any more. The promised product is available now. It's already installed on our hard disks! Odyssey owners are just being denied access to it, despite the fact that we paid for it. There is no excuse for this.
i still think it is mostly related to PEGI rating
For example: PEGI7 allows very mild forms of violence (implied, non-detailed, or non-realistic violence) - hence kids can blow up ships
but this (emphasis is mine)
The EDO settlement absolutely DO exist in EDH4.0, and you can land at them, and drive around them. You can even see inside the buildings. There just aren't any npcs walking about, and you cant get out on foot.
(beaten to it by Drinkybird)
Now, i always considered player to player interactions regarding PEGI7 vs PEGI16, but Horizons not seeing any on-foot NPC make even more sense and leads me to believe that PEGI rating is the main thing that prevents instancing between Horizons and Odyssey
Shooting (or running over with the srv) NPC's is quite detailed and realistic violence.
Especially the ragdoll postures of the dead NPC can be quite disturbing at times.
Same here, it worked fine yesterday. The other three panels work fine, but as soon as you try to go to that lower console it crashes to desktop every damn time. Tried clearing the shader cache and verifying all the files through steam and the launcher, nothing seems to be working. I got to play odyssey for exactly one day before getting screwed by an update, after being screwed by the newer AMD drivers yesterday when I bought it. Fun times. I love Elite, but this is a bit much. May as well go back to xbox if I can't ever play odyssey anyway.
you may want to sue them for canceling the Console port too...
go get them tiger.
again, you have not payed for Horizons 4.0
And this isn't a hill to die climbing.
You just assumed you will get Horizons 4.0 and you dont want to accept that was a baseless assumption (one that i've made it myself)