A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim

[Schlack]

Tick is rolling out now

 

[Walter2]

Forgot - it's Thursday.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I was under the impression that famine and outbreak are the invitable consequence of doing nothing, as in all factions will go into those states unless they receive some medical or foodstuff input occasionally - either by trade or missions

Yep - it was on the last BGS livestream. There are small drifts towards these states in systems with no transaction traffic. This is why the systems that usually go into outbreak/famine have tiny populations - there's a lot less traffic because they don't really work as trade nodes.

You guys could be right. I do recall them discussing it, but I thought they also mentioned some way of contributing to the bucket. Maybe thy did just mean through mission targeting.

 

[Abil Midena]

I thought that if Faction A is in a war state in one system, Faction A inf can't go up in other systems. Today at the second tick in War state, Faction A inf went up in another system (state = none), but down in every other system they are in (as expected).

Is it possible that:

1. Faction A inf can go up in other systems, but only by combat missions/actions as in the system they are actually at war at.
2. Faction A inf can go up if, somehow, all other factions inf should have gone down.

Of note, the CZ's spawned and later disappeared during the first tick. Now, after today's tick, the CZ's are back exactly where they were before they disappeared yesterday. [wacky]

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I thought that if Faction A is in a war state in one system, Faction A inf can't go up in other systems. Today at the second tick in War state, Faction A inf went up in another system (state = none), but down in every other system they are in (as expected).

Is it possible that:

1. Faction A inf can go up in other systems, but only by combat missions/actions as in the system they are actually at war at.
2. Faction A inf can go up if, somehow, all other factions inf should have gone down.

Of note, the CZ's spawned and later disappeared during the first tick. Now, after today's tick, the CZ's are back exactly where they were before they disappeared yesterday. [wacky]

I thought that the inf lock only occurred in the system at war. As a matter of fact, I'm almost positive that that is the case.

 

[goemon]

I thought that the inf lock only occurred in the system at war. As a matter of fact, I'm almost positive that that is the case.

yep.

i bet it is a combination of A) and B) @Abil

 

[Abil Midena]

I thought that the inf lock only occurred in the system at war. As a matter of fact, I'm almost positive that that is the case.

yep.

i bet it is a combination of A) and B) @Abil

I think there is some confusion here. There is no 'inf lock' in the system at war, other than the two factions involved only take inf from each other (other than BGS rounding/100% changes).

And I guess it is A and B as well Goemon.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I think there is some confusion here. There is no 'inf lock' in the system at war, other than the two factions involved only take inf from each other (other than BGS rounding/100% changes).

Right, just semantics. By lock I meant only taking from each other (and not accounting for rounding creep).

 

[Walter2]

I think there is some confusion here. There is no 'inf lock' in the system at war, other than the two factions involved only take inf from each other (other than BGS rounding/100% changes).

I'm afraid that's not been the case since 2.0 (I think - it might be later). If another faction does rather well during the war it can take influence from the warring factions. The assumption is that, if enough effort is put into the war, they can take influence from the others.

Tick completed after 21:00 today. The new factions and bases have been installed in Colonia.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Tick completed after 21:00 today. The new factions and bases have been installed in Colonia.

Nice. So does that mean utopia is about to go to hell in a handbasket?

 

[Vingtetun]

Well, BMs accept any stolen good, right? So you get hold of a bunch of stolen biowaste and go dump it on the BM. I think when 1T trading was still the deal, it was used pretty effectively as an offensive BGS attack. Not sure how well it would work now.

Oh! You mean how would it work in real life? LOL

we dropped 200,000 tonnes of biowaste on a station last saturday night for giggles as outbreak makes you rich through trade and missions and it didn't put them in pending outbreak (small population). there was no blocking state like war/election. we were mighty disappointed.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

we dropped 200,000 tonnes of biowaste on a station last saturday night for giggles as outbreak makes you rich through trade and missions and it didn't put them in pending outbreak (small population). there was no blocking state like war/election. we were mighty disappointed.

Very good info. Thanks.

 

[Abil Midena]

... If another faction does rather well during the war it can take influence from the warring factions. The assumption is that, if enough effort is put into the war, they can take influence from the others..

These two statements don't seem to go together. Do you mean both can happen? One of two factions at war can 'do well' in their war effort and take inf from the non warring factions. And. That other factions not at war can 'do well' and take inf from the warring factions?

 

[DNA-Decay]

Hello.

What are the major causes of famine and out break?

I'm working on trying to rid the galaxy of these states on cuppa at a time.

I know this is wrong so don't hit me.
But I had this notion that outbreak follows trade around, and that trading with a diseased system would spread the outbreak.

I thought I had a confirmation the other day. A few of us had been out to the Mahon fungal farm and unloaded the exploration data into a system. And there in the news was something about absidia and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucormycosis but no outbreak pending.

But it's rubbish of course.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I know this is wrong so don't hit me.
But I had this notion that outbreak follows trade around, and that trading with a diseased system would spread the outbreak.

I thought I had a confirmation the other day. A few of us had been out to the Mahon fungal farm and unloaded the exploration data into a system. And there in the news was something about absidia and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucormycosis but no outbreak pending.

But it's rubbish of course.

Wow, if that were a hidden mechanic, it would be a pretty awesome one.

 

[Vingtetun]

We DO know however that biowaste MISSIONS contribute to outbreak in the destination system. It shows as a red negative text in the mission completion screen.

 

[goemon]

we dropped 200,000 tonnes of biowaste on a station last saturday night for giggles as outbreak makes you rich through trade and missions and it didn't put them in pending outbreak (small population). there was no blocking state like war/election. we were mighty disappointed.

did you trigger boom for exampel or any other state?

 

[Walter2]

Nice. So does that mean utopia is about to go to hell in a handbasket?

I think it has a head start.

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These two statements don't seem to go together. Do you mean both can happen? One of two factions at war can 'do well' in their war effort and take inf from the non warring factions. And. That other factions not at war can 'do well' and take inf from the warring factions?

Yes, although I'm not so sure about the warring factions taking a raise - I haven't been in a system at war where there's been enough support effort put in - but logic(!) suggests that it should happen. I think it's down to the updated balancing regime.

 

[CMDR pollycough]

I know this is wrong so don't hit me.
But I had this notion that outbreak follows trade around, and that trading with a diseased system would spread the outbreak.

I thought I had a confirmation the other day. A few of us had been out to the Mahon fungal farm and unloaded the exploration data into a system. And there in the news was something about absidia and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucormycosis but no outbreak pending.

But it's rubbish of course.

We always belived that when the Plague CG was on back in 01. The first outbreak happened, and then it spread to All the local systems that we had been buying meds from.

 

[CMDR pollycough]

I was under the impression that famine and outbreak are the invitable consequence of doing nothing, as in all factions will go into those states unless they receive some medical or foodstuff input occasionally - either by trade or missions

Yep - it was on the last BGS livestream. There are small drifts towards these states in systems with no transaction traffic. This is why the systems that usually go into outbreak/famine have tiny populations - there's a lot less traffic because they don't really work as trade nodes.

Now I cannot say that this caused the famine, But on 2 seperate occasions in 2 seperate systems after doing skimmer kill missions and getting this

Spoiler

The faction/s that was being targetted went into outbreak for 14 days followed by a famine for 14 days.
Maybe skimmers guard food stocks at ground settlements.