But you cannot hide your bounty anymore by switching to a clean ship, right?
Engineering and Pre-Built Ships
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It is an 'interesting' situation.
I guess the "hot ship" thing is mostly an issue for module swapping and such...?
rootsrat
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Even if the crime was committed in the ship rather than on foot?
I'll need to test that.
I think so. Most, if not all of my crimes were commited on foot, so I am not sure. But I think a bounty scan now shows the CMDR's total bounty instead of what they did in the current ship.
rootsrat
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I'll see if I can find the time to test it tonight and report back
If I look at this under the angle that follows, I agree this can technically be identified as an exploit, but I'm afraid it will neither harm or fix the C&P mechanics.
Let's split CMDRs who would get bounties with those pre-built ships into 2 categories :
1- creditless newbies who are live discovering the whole lot of the game mechanics, including C&P and its nuclear dissuasion ("stop that NOW and redeem, or be denied service from most humanity until you do stop") - it seems fair to me that they can simply mark the words, stop by the shipyard and take a fresh start, until they become...
2- little to very experienced players who don't give a damn about a 5M rebuy - spending thousands of Arx only to save a few MCr just doesn't make sense, where 100M is an hour's worth of your favorite easy-mode activity (mine is chewing up alien salad without them spotting me a single time
) and by the time you hit the billion you have no more idea on how to spend it.These "bounty-exempted" ships being suboptimal and visually distinctive surely helps both categories learn that E: D is still MMO and easy griefing is rarely long unretaliated
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rootsrat
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I have tested this just now.
- You can indeed go to a station where you're not wanted, sell your Pre-Built Wanted ship and re-deploy it. The ship and all modules come back clean.
- Wanted status stays, as the bounty you gained is not cleared that way.
- Notoriety stays, as it's not cleared that way either.
it's still quite bad tho
rootsrat
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But you can do the same thing for credits, no? Try to move the modules to another ship and you'd be prompted to clean them.
Pretty much same thing.
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What are the effective consequences of a hot ship these days? None I think, apart from needing to clean your modules for credits. Seems a hot ship doesn't mean anything?
Just a very minor inconvenience, and only when you happen to gain notoriety—which doesn't happen easily if you're a clever criminal and stick to sanctioned-by-government crime (ie missions) or less-lethal approach. I never fly for more than a few hours with bounties: there's always an Interstellar Factor a jump away.
And even if you tend to get notoriety so you can't clean your nose whenever you want, just use a dedicated murderboat that you don't swap modules in.
Is this different from getting a bounty (from non-combat actions so you're 100% not scanned so the bounty doesn't get transferred to your CMDR), self destructing and not rebuying?
rootsrat
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No idea, never done that.
Yeah but the right answer to that is to sort out the outfitting UI. I am sort of assuming FDev have realised it's bad enough already and needs sorting before doubling the kinds of modules available...
We've been able to sell our dirty ships, for a fraction of market value, for a long time, if the value of the ship is zero, the markdown remains zero, but, as you observed, the bounties remain with the CMDR
I even once made a proposal to rent out my ships to newbies ... that they're piling up on the FC.
I can't teach a newbie to fly, and he would be flying with me in a squadron.
rootsrat
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Yes, but that meant you were loosing your engineered modules. Which isn't the case for arx ships.
And this is the exploit.
Hence I said it's very important for fdev not to include heavily engineered ships in the store.