Everything petting zoo/farm/domestic animals pack

[ElectricMonk]

It is a fact.

It isn’t - it’s totally subjective.

We've gotten some animals that I'd consider basic.
For example, if I were to choose between a domestic rabbit and a spectacled caiman for uniqueness, it's quite obvious a rabbit is far more unique than a croc clone.

Arctic wolf vs domestic donkey - the donkey would bring far more than the wolf does, to be honest.

I prefer the caiman to the rabbit and the wolf to the donkey both in terms of “uniqueness” and what they bring to the game.

I just want to clarify that I am not saying that I don't want any more wild animals or that domestics are better. But when people say that domestics are boring because wild animals are better, that is not true one bit. There are many examples out there to prove otherwise

There are no examples that do, or even could prove otherwise since which is better is entirely subjective - just because it’s true for you doesn’t mean that anyone else is wrong just because they disagree…

All that said, I actually do agree that some domestics can be more interesting than some wild species - but there aren’t many… certainly (IMO) not enough to justify a pack.

 

[Captain Callum]

This is slowly becoming yet another circlejerk towards domestics, what was even the point of this thread if the certain group can't accept some of us would like domestics?

 

[DarthQuell]

I prefer the caiman to the rabbit and the wolf to the donkey both in terms of “uniqueness” and what they bring to the game

I'm speaking about a models/rigs. But yes, you have a point that it's subjective

There are no examples that do, or even could prove otherwise since which is better is entirely subjective - just because it’s true for you doesn’t mean that anyone else is wrong just because they disagree…

Yes, I understand. But, like Cap said, it's not simply about our wants or not. Domestic animals are highly pushed away. The Europe pack faced the same issue and people were hating a Europe pack because the animals were "boring", not "unique".
Now I know how our European players must've felt

I actually do agree that some domestics can be more interesting than some wild species

I didn't say all domestics are better, I said many. For example, I think that Easter Eggers are more unique than red junglefowl

This is slowly becoming yet another circlejerk towards domestics, what was even the point of this thread if the certain group can't accept some of us would like domestics?

We had our Trash panda rebellion. Time for our DOMESTIC EMPIRE

 

[yoav_r]

This is slowly becoming yet another circlejerk towards domestics, what was even the point of this thread if the certain group can't accept some of us would like domestics?

I feel the other way.

I don't think anyone here doesn't want domestics as a concept, but some people wouldn't wsnt them to take a big part of the limited roster spots left.

Domestics do face a unique position as a "closed group" of animals, which are unlikely to come in a pack not dedicated to them, hence the absolutism by both side of the debate.

The point of this thread is for everyone to voice their subjective opinions. An opinion being expressed is not right or wrong, and has no impact on actual Frontier's decision making.

 

[yoav_r]

We had our Trash panda rebellion. Time for our DOMESTIC EMPIRE

Please please please don't.

The excessive push for the raccoon derailed so many threads for a repititive unfunny "joke" and honestly made it annoying to participate in the forum.

This is one of several existing threads dedicated to discussing domestics in PZ, let's keep it contained to on-topic threads as to not derail the other threads.

 

[DarthQuell]

I feel the other way.

I don't think anyone here doesn't want domestics as a concept, but some people wouldm't wsnt them to tske a big part of the limited roster spots left.

Domestics do face a unique position as a "closed group" of animals, which are unlikely to come in a pack not dedicated to them, hence the absolutism by both side of the debate.

The point of this thread is for everyone to voice their subjective opinions. An opinion being expressed is not right or wrong, and has no impact on actual Frontier's decision making.

I think the problem here isn't simply that. People who want domestics are stating the pros to having them while there are other who act like it's the worst thing ever and they seem to not tolerate that domestics are wanted.

People who want domestics are ok without them, although they're wanted. People who don't want them are extremely vocal about why they're "horrible"

Please please please don't.

The excessive push for the raccoon derailed so many threads for a repititive unfunny "joke" and honestly made it annoying to participate in the forum.

This is one of several existing threads dedicated to discussing domestics in PZ, let's keep it contained to on-topic threads as to not derail the other threads.

No, I would never. It got tedious to hear all the time, to be honest. If this joke is spread, then I apologize in advance for bringing it up

 

[yoav_r]

I think the problem here isn't simply that. People who want domestics are stating the pros to having them while there are other who act like it's the worst thing ever and they seem to not tolerate that domestics are wanted.

People who want domestics are ok without them, although they're wanted. People who don't want them are extremely vocal about why they're "horrible"

Nobody thinks domestics are "horrible". Many people think they would be a waste of very limited roster slots. There's a difference.

 

[DarthQuell]

Nobody thinks domestics are "horrible". Many people think they would be a waste of very limited roster slots. There's a difference.

Sorry, poor choice of words. But the principle still stands

 

[jcp011c]

I'm personally alright if we don't get a farming/petting zoo/domesticated centered pack, but I also wouldn't be upset if we did. I think though, if we have only 4 packs left, which is very possible I would prefer more towards not having one, but if we get even 1 additional pack in 2024 it's a concept that a space would work for. What I mean by that is that the ideas I personally hope for this year are (in broad general terms) - Islands, Rainforests, Deserts/Drylands, Highlands/Taiga/Cold Weather. Not that we're even going to get those necessarily, but it's just what I'd like to see. And I'd rather a Petting Zoo/Farm pack not replace one of those. But even 1 more pack, it leaves a 5th spot open that it would fit nicely into, as I personally don't have another core idea of what I'd want to see other than a "finale/wrap up" type of pack. Also, I can't deny the fact that many zoos have this type of section, so it would go a long way into being able to make even more realistic zoos.

But if we did get this type of pack, I'd like to see something other than the standard/common/generic types of animals. Like, here's a plain ole pig, goat or cow. I'd much rather a tinge of the exotic be represented, even if not a lot. One exception: I think a rabbit of some sort would be great and give us a new rig, and I'd actually be okay with a generic rabbit. Maybe that could lead to an Arctic Hare for a cold weather pack, or if that came first, make having a more common rabbit be a shoe-in for a petting zoo pack.

So my thoughts on a list, and I do think this would almost certainly be a scenery pack:
Rabbit (any species)
Nubian Goat
Shetland Pony (I'd much rather see this than a donkey, personally)
Mangalica or Pot Bellied Pig
WE exhibit Lorikeets.

That would give us an (IMO) more interesting Goat type, Horse Type, Pig Type and new type of animal. There's also options for something other than domestic cows and sheep that would also be options. I think I'd be least interesting in a cow-type of all of these, but again that's just me.

 

[DarthQuell]

I've been thinking about how a domestic animals pack could cater to both those that want them and those that don't.
So I have a question: to all those who don't want them, out of curiosity if we were to get a DLC like this, what animals would you want?

 

[SalamAnders]

Some of these points might already have been made, but here I go.
African Pygmy Goats are a must-have. They are everywhere. Though a bit pointless if guests can't interact with them

Besides that, I don't have strong desires for domestics, but I think something like a farm pack could have potential if done right. But only as a scenery pack.

I am also concerned. Domestics are a minefield of bad choices. To the average player, I assume a cow is a cow and a sheep is a sheep, so they won't care about the breed.
But from a realistic player's point of view, the only reasonable thing to do is go with breeds common on a global scale or at least just very common in some larger parts of the world.

Zoos often focus on either the common popular choices or they go with breeds from the local region/area, which would be way too niche for PZ.
And I fear Frontier wants to try and make domestics cool by going for obscure choices. A Swedish Red Cattle is only useful for a zoo in Sweden.

So please Frontier, don't try to sit with the cool kids if you want to mess with domestics.

 

[Pentoleaf]

I said it another thread, but I don't think this is the last year of support. That doesn't mean I think support will go on endlessly forever, but I think we'll get 8 more packs because there are 8 more recognizable zones that can be turned into packs, and also because sticking with proven customers is a safe choice for investors during times of uncertainty.

I could be very wrong about this. But I expect that before the game's life cycle winds down we will see all of the 'lands' - island, highlands, dryland, Woodlands, as well as coastal, tropical, farm/children's zoo, and some random theme to throw together a bunch of favorites.

And because I trend towards optimism, I say bring in the domestics.

 

[yoav_r]

there are 8 more recognizable zones

What are those?

And I certainly hope for one year after that, I'm not optimistic because PZ is already overdue as far as support for this kind of game goes.

 

[DarthQuell]

What are those?

And I certainly hope for one year after that, I'm not optimistic because PZ is already overdue as far as support for this kind of game goes.

Could Planet Zoo theoretically just release content for 1 more year without updates? Or is that unrealistic?

 

[yoav_r]

Could Planet Zoo theoretically just release content for 1 more year without updates? Or is that unrealistic?

If anything the other way is more likely. Bug patching and maintenance is much more common after paid dlcs end.

 

[Captain Callum]

Could Planet Zoo theoretically just release content for 1 more year without updates? Or is that unrealistic?

Frontier doesn't do that since they like to expand the base game on top of that even if it is minor additions. Also Bugs are likely in the hundreds and it wouldn't do any good forgetting bugs , some of which are actually game breaking.

There is a huge amount of normal additions to the game through updates needed like the climbing, zoo interactions, foliage work, enrichment to add onto weeks of bug patching between every dlc release.
Say if the jwe2 team moved to planet zoo then yeah it could be possible but that ain't gonna happen

 

[yoav_r]

Say if the jwe2 team moved to planet zoo then yeah it could be possible but that ain't gonna happen

How is JWE2 doing these days?

 

[jcp011c]

I said it another thread, but I don't think this is the last year of support. That doesn't mean I think support will go on endlessly forever, but I think we'll get 8 more packs because there are 8 more recognizable zones that can be turned into packs, and also because sticking with proven customers is a safe choice for investors during times of uncertainty.

I could be very wrong about this. But I expect that before the game's life cycle winds down we will see all of the 'lands' - island, highlands, dryland, Woodlands, as well as coastal, tropical, farm/children's zoo, and some random theme to throw together a bunch of favorites.

And because I trend towards optimism, I say bring in the domestics.

I sure hope we get more after 2023. I'm doubtful for a full year of 2024 content, but even getting 1 more pack in 2024 much less 2 more packs opens up a lot of themes and options. I know I said I would rather not get this type of pack if we just have 4 packs remaining, but I fully support it for more than that.

Of course, a lot of that depends on what animals we'll get in the next packs

 

[Captain Callum]

How is JWE2 doing these days?

I'm probably not the person to answer that considering I refunded jwe2 after buying it in a sale and returning back to jwe1
But development wise? Jwe2 is expecting a new dlc announcement in the next 2 weeks with a rough release for late march

 

[Pentoleaf]

What are those?

And I certainly hope for one year after that, I'm not optimistic because PZ is already overdue as far as support for this kind of game goes.

Islands, mountains, deserts, jungle, woodland, coastal, children's zoo/farmland (which could be one pack or two), and then the last pack could be any number of things, treetops, safari, burds, or a random theme choosen to bring together whatever sellable animals are left.

Birds/flying animals are a big selling point, but I doubt we'll get a dedicated pack. I think it's far more likely that from now on we get a ground bird + an exhibit flying animal in most packs, 'forcing' the bird fans fo buy every dlc to complete their feathered rosters.