External View [A definitive discussion]

An External View yes or no, Multiple choice

  • Yes: an External View for Combat

    Votes: 28 8.8%
  • No: This will break immersion fo me

    Votes: 117 36.6%
  • Yes: I want to know from where I am being attacked from

    Votes: 16 5.0%
  • No: the Scanner is all you need.

    Votes: 103 32.2%
  • Yes: a Simple external ship viewer None Combat

    Votes: 161 50.3%
  • No: Keep everything within the ship

    Votes: 105 32.8%

  • Total voters
    320
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Ok, so I've spent 10 min in this game, training to launch, all spent looking for an external view - I've been playing simulators for 20 years, huge on flightsim.com - look up my name- wrote a great article on immersion simming 15 years ago, I find it absolutely ridiculous that there is no external view in this game, every simulator from 1995 on has it! Battle Cruiser, FS95, 98, 2000, 2004, X and PrePar3d, Xplane, Fly, FLYII, these are all more robust simulators than this and they all had it. Crap - even Orbiter 2010 - a Freeware space simulator has it! Don't talk to me about "immersion" as that is an excuse for not having it, Its a GAME people! If anyone can choose not to use it if they don't want to! Are we communist now? lets save the people from not being immersed? Is this going to happen and WHEN? I do feel cheated on this based on the on line advertising AND the basic fact that precedence IS that simulators HAVE EXTERNAL VIEWS! Where is mine?
Can you please provide a list of all games/simulators that don't have an external view so we can compare?
 
Implementing an external view is not difficult. But my guess is that Frontier has't really done Hires Textures that you expect for an external view for your ship. my 2 cents.
 
WTH why do this thread keeps coming up...

The final word as been spoken...

BURY THIS.
Stop trolling.

Players who've paid good money are missing an important part of the user interface that they reasonably expected to have been implemented by now.

It's still missing, hence people are still asking for it.

If you're incapable of grasping this then why did you click on the thread - what compelled you to read something you didn't want to read and couldn't understand? Go and bother some other thread and stop trying to censure others for overstepping your comprehension skills.
 
Stop trolling.

Players who've paid good money are missing an important part of the user interface that they reasonably expected to have been implemented by now.

It's still missing, hence people are still asking for it.


TrolLOLing
When players ->you<- paid good money they ->you<- already knew there was no external view did they ->you<- not?
So what exactly is missing???
 
It's hardly an "important part" either.

I understand you'd kind of expect a 3rd person view to be there but in the end it's just a vanity feature, not such a big deal really. Certainly not a big enough deal to throw one's toys of of the pram and rage about as Mr "I wrote an article" did.

Given the list of things Frontier should be working on I think this one's gotta be pretty low on the list.
 
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That is what annoys me with this "no offline mode", with an offline game we would have one million mods by now...
And then i do not really see that Elite becomes an mmo, there are plenty of that out already who have an better setting for that...
 

almostpilot

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Just a simple - "take a screenshot without UI and cockpit layout" would do - you taking a picture from your inside view, but it saves on the HD without cockpit layout obscuring it.
This way it won't break immersion or any kind of tactical advantage for anyone. How is that?

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Me too, but looks like it won't happen because of the FD design decision.

Offline mode was much more than a decision, was a promise and after was changed....who knows
 
Stop trolling.

Players who've paid good money are missing an important part of the user interface that they reasonably expected to have been implemented by now.

It's still missing, hence people are still asking for it.

If you're incapable of grasping this then why did you click on the thread - what compelled you to read something you didn't want to read and couldn't understand? Go and bother some other thread and stop trying to censure others for overstepping your comprehension skills.

Have to agree with this 110%... I'm sick of the pathetic trolls trying to impose their view on others too... Shut Up!... (directed @ MirageGuardian)

It's hardly an "important part" either.

I understand you'd kind of expect a 3rd person view to be there but in the end it's just a vanity feature, not such a big deal really. Certainly not a big enough deal to throw one's toys of of the pram and rage about as Mr "I wrote an article" did.

Given the list of things Frontier should be working on I think this one's gotta be pretty low on the list.


Who are you to be telling others what's important... You're nobody... I don't care if your a kickstarter supporter, alpha, beta or gamma supporter your viewpoint is no more important than anyone else's...you are certainly entitled to an opinion but that is all it is, your opinion. For others it IS an important feature. It is for me. IMO the game lacks immersion because of this oversight. I enjoy the game but sometimes I feel like I'm playing an 80's game with a pasted on cockpit and a scrolling starfield in the background. that's MY viewpoint but I am not pushing it on others like some pompous spoiled child!

We all spent our money on the game. I will vote with my wallet on future expansions and if they don't have what I want like a 3rd person perspective I wont buy them. Simple decision for me.

Just an old guys viewpoint... ;)
 
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3rd peron view in combat is just BAD idea.

I have tried to play for example WarThunder (WW2 and so on flight combat) from cockpit, but I just kept being blown out from the sky by people using 3rd person view.

When I went back and used 3rd person view myself, I dropped these same guys EASY...

Advantage from 3rd person view (=better view around and picturing what is happening around you) is just so huge, that in no time all would (be forced to) fly with that in combat... If they would not be suicidal.
 
Keep wanting, won't happen - at least not in combat.
Let's say not in Open Play, but why the hell not do it in SOLO mode, as it won't hurt the NPCs???

I said it so often, even in group or open, if you just make it an external view (without HUD and not looking "over your shoulder") there would be no "unfair" advantage! On the contrary, It will get you killed, as you llose your situational awareness... like in any other "flight sim"!

Elite Dangerous is NOT an Ego shooter.
 
I think there should be rear and side views from inside the ship, like there was in original Elite, which even had rear-facing lasers (and you had to turn your joystick upside down to correct the orientation!) :)

I'd also like the ability to capture screenshots in space without the dashboard, preferably with an external view of my spacecraft in shot. I'd also like to be able to see outside the ship when it's docked, especially if it gets battle damage.

I can see why people don't want external views in combat, it spoiled dog-fighting in IL2 for example, because people can see which way their attacker is maneuvering for a shot.
 
External views of own ship in a Sim - lol! Just add a rear view camera. I need to know if I'm about to bump into a cop in a station before being blown up by it!

you obviously don't play sims! Every hard core sim on the market has external view. EVERY ONE! There is no combat advantage. Fight in 3rd person means certain death.

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3rd peron view in combat is just BAD idea.

I have tried to play for example WarThunder (WW2 and so on flight combat) from cockpit, but I just kept being blown out from the sky by people using 3rd person view.

When I went back and used 3rd person view myself, I dropped these same guys EASY...

Advantage from 3rd person view (=better view around and picturing what is happening around you) is just so huge, that in no time all would (be forced to) fly with that in combat... If they would not be suicidal.

war thunder is an arcade game not a sim. You will die a quick death in a flight sim trying to fight in 3rd person. Silliest argument on the forums. One silly person said it was a tactical advantage and all the lemmings repeat it.
 
you obviously don't play sims! Every hard core sim on the market has external view. EVERY ONE! There is no combat advantage. Fight in 3rd person means certain death.

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war thunder is an arcade game not a sim. You will die a quick death in a flight sim trying to fight in 3rd person. Silliest argument on the forums. One silly person said it was a tactical advantage and all the lemmings repeat it.
Lol @ every hardcore sim. First off, there are very few if any hardcore sims that are online and pit you against other players. Stupid people making stupid comments. Second, if you actually played war thunder you would know that you can play it as an arcade or a simulator. One silly person said it's not a tactical advantage and all the snot nosed punks repeat it.
 
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+1 for external view (NOT in combat). We had it in Elite 2 and 3 and it didn't break the immersion at all. And it's not unrealistic to have external camera drones to survey the ship's surface when it's not maneuvering. They should be standard equipment, not a luxury module.
 
What kind of advantage do you have in combat with external view, i wonder? Just curious.
And why should someone be against an implementation? If you don't like it, then don't use it.
 
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