This its a game... we want cameras.
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This its a game... we want cameras.
Care to back any of that up?... Of course not because you quoted out of context and have no interest in actually engaging with the topic. I see what you're really after so I'll just pop you on ignore now
In other words, you have no response. I'll answer you, even if you don't see it.
Nothing I quoted was out of context. You asked if you were being inconsiderate, and you said that you thought balancing considerations were absurd in your view.
Anything about solo mode is irrelevant, because you participate in a shared galaxy. Using a solo-only feature to theoretically enhance your abilities and potentially rack up extra kills, even if those kills are NPCs, is not balanced IMO.
If drones allow a record/replay function, that could be used for exploration/spying/patrolling/selfies. Lots of valid gameplay affecting reasons for inclusion. I'm all for that. Given that a camera drone is what the devs have declared as being their chosen mode of delivery for external POVs, I have no issue with it, if it adds to the breadth of activities within the game.
Making videos or taking pictures are external to the gameplay, and therefore mean very little to me. I just want the game to be fun/cool/involved enough that I don't need to be distracted by hero shots of my ship, because I am in the ship doing stuff. Beauty shots? Ain't nobody got time for that!
Spending development resources getting the core feature set in place (including stuff like slaved FSD travel) and expanding that core features set beyond the bare bones implementations that are currently in place in more than one area - that is priority one IMO.
I accept that we may have very different definitions of what constitutes a "Core Feature". Mine doesn't include seeing my ship until the devs regard drones as the most important incomplete thing left, or until they implement EVAs in an expansion, whichever comes first. Your mileage may vary.
I suppose on one level, I find it an odd thing to want so much though.
This game resolutely refuses to follow the standard vainglorious route of turning everyone into a potential galactic bigwig like some kind of Trump's Tea Party. They also didn't take the other well-trodden path whereby every player is a prophetically-chosen superhero like the world of Monty Python's "Bicycle Repair Man" sketch. You are a flea on a big dog's back, hoping not to get scratched. Vanity is not part of the furniture, never really has been. That's why, to me, this whole need for external views because it "looks cool" is incongruous.
It is the same with the video of gameplay they showed at the premiere event. Implying you can do group play with your friends. Frontier oversells the multiplayer parts in this game imho. This will of course backfire with a community that is turning bitter and hostile when not attended to. A community can change if not nurtured with correct information. It is already going on in the forums if you have not noticed. Time to step up
You have 3rd person view in Falcon 4 BMS and DCS but to fly in that mode effectively is impossible since you don't see your instruments and hud. Simple as that.
exactly - if anything it will confuse you and you will get killed quickly
It's so obvious jeez...![[VR] Mad Mike](https://forums-cdn.zaonce.net/data/avatars/m/27/27910.jpg?1553527108){kind=avatar}
I can't wait for my new Citroen to arrive. It turns into a transformer and can dance
With respect to the op I think he has a point. That been said its easily fixed if they add a flight recoder into the game that we can toy about with afterwards or possibly a sandbox mode out of the game
With respect to the op I think he has a point. That been said its easily fixed if they add a flight recoder into the game that we can toy about with afterwards or possibly a sandbox mode out of the game
A simple orbit camera around your ship that has delay to make it drift slightly independent from your physical ship and no HUD would be enough to make combat next to useless while showing off the great scenery.
I quite like the blackbox idea, War Thunder stores each battle in a format you can play back later record and edit.
I suspect something will turn up eventually. It's hardly a priority, though some of the eye candy people recorded would probably sell the game a lot easier than the straight cockpit views we have now.
I quite like the blackbox idea, War Thunder stores each battle in a format you can play back later record and edit.
I suspect something will turn up eventually. It's hardly a priority, though some of the eye candy people recorded would probably sell the game a lot easier than the straight cockpit views we have now.
this is so true
I'll tell you what, I just watched a trailer for "Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare". This is what that trailer said:
"What you are seeing is advanced warfare"
"Transcends the line between game and film" (Shouldn't that be crossed the line? Ed: Shhh!)
"Reinventing Call of Duty multiplayer in a profound way"
"A bold vision for the future of the franchise"
All of these are a lie except the last one, and that is only because they will be selling the same rubbish next year under a different name.
Now where's my refund?? I feel misled all of a sudden.
The point I am trying to make is that you have to take trailers, and marketing in general, with a pinch of salt.
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Wasn't it supposed to be a feature to come? I thought I read that somewhere, can't find where.
If it was not the case, it would be a shame, really, especially in this game. The models are so gorgeous. Such attention to details wasted? No way, come on. I think external views are a big part of the thrill, in that sort of game.
If it was not the case, it would be a shame, really, especially in this game. The models are so gorgeous. Such attention to details wasted? No way, come on. I think external views are a big part of the thrill, in that sort of game.
are you sure about that? i was part of a group of players that FORCED a change on BF4 jet 3rd person mode because all you needed to do was draw a crosshair.
after that another change was made because the third person perspective change they implimented didn't make it less overpowered. they actually added a crosshair into the game so everybody was on the same level.
once you get 3rd person you get cheaty
It has been mentioned that something like this might be possible in the future. A remote camera drone of some kind, but there are many strings attached and I would recommend you take a look at the definitive thread started by our very own NeilF.
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I can't wait for my new Citroen to arrive. It turns into a transformer and can dance
With respect to the op I think he has a point. That been said its easily fixed if they add a flight recoder into the game that we can toy about with afterwards or possibly a sandbox mode out of the game
If every car I had previously owned had been able to turn into a transformer and dance then I would have every right expecting that to be the case after seeing a Citroen doing it in that advert. External views are a standard feature of the genre, including them in the ad may not be promising them, but its hardly highlighting that they aren't available.
If you want a car analogy then it would be like watching an advert for a car in which the windows are shown opening and closing then finding once you bought it that they are fixed closed.
Anyway IF being struck in first person in the cockpit is so fantastic then surely that should be a key part of the advertising, trailers and all.
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Thanks for the heading. It's one of the thread I've been reading through a bit, but I started from the end, as I always do
So, relatively good news after all.
As this is the only thread allowed on this topic could the mods possibly reopen the poll. Its only got 321 votes and has been closed for as long as I've been on these forums. It would be nice to be able to get some actual clear numbers as I'm sure everyone agrees extracting any clear percentages for or against from posts alone is nigh on impossible. Cheers.
Well that depends on it still being the plan (given how much hasn't made release and how uncertain even long expect features are now its anyone's guess) and if the caveats and contextualization mentioned end up utterly gimping the feature anyway. Frankly a system that requires either modules or cargo space makes it pretty much useless, likewise if it only worked when stationary. Even if its impossible in supercruise or locked out control it would be a big disappointment for me. Disabling it in combat would be okay but not ideal, mostly because it will hurt the youtube video and machinima makers.Thanks for the heading. It's one of the thread I've been reading through a bit, but I started from the end, as I always do
So, relatively good news after all.
I found joop and Stella Artois to be more effective lady lures over lynx. But maybe I was using it wrong and should've tried a more chloroformic approach?
Back on topic:
I don't have a problem with the advertising despite having no outside view. I would like one, I don't think it would negatively effect combat depending what Hud is given? I'd hope none to keep things tricky / interesting.
I like the snap back to fist person when weapons are deployed idea that seems a fair comprise.
I'm not a huge fan of the camera drone idea because it sounds too eve-y although I've seen some wicked drones that follow you about filming your every move so I'm not entirely averse to the concept.
#apologies to anyone who has been chloroformed it was a tongue in cheek comment not to be taken to heart.
As stated at the beginning of the very first post in this thread by the devs:
So for now it's settled. We just have to wait.
As for another poll.... people perceive a plethora of polls presently so probably pointless petitioning presently.
So for now it's settled. We just have to wait.
As for another poll.... people perceive a plethora of polls presently so probably pointless petitioning presently.
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WARNING: Please don't try this!!!!
It is widely believed that Brian Harvey (of East 17 fame) was trying to see what his car looked like from the outside when being driven (by himself). He promptly ran himself over.
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