I love E:D But really?
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Frontier isn't to blame for people's inability to manage anxiety.
Scheduling a "credits" release date would undermine their FOMO marketing strategy, we know that.
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from a verisimilitude POV i dont think that is such an issue.
the cobra mk3 is........ i am not even gonna guess as i cant remember but it is over 100 years old. sure it is has some face lifts over the years but even so in real life if you were to compare a performance car from the 1980s to one produced today, in the majority of metrics the old car would be objectively worse in most areas.
one area i have some experience in.... take a nissan 370z and compare it to a 1980s W10 toyota mr2
(I deliberately cheated and didnt compare a W20 MR2 to a W30 one as i would say arguably the W20 is the better car
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You didn’t pay for the cream cake, you paid for space legs. There was nothing about cream cakes when Odyssey launched.
FDev decided to add cream cakes last year and see if they could sell them for early access.
People like me brought some of those cream cakes, as a result FDev decided to make more cream cakes this year.
So effectively we brought cream cakes so you can get them for free.
It’s 100% to your benefit.
Now I’m hungry for cream cakes, so I’ll drop the metaphor.
If people didn’t buy ships when they were launched, do you really think they’d put the resources into launching 4 more this year?
It has been popular enough that they’ve continued making new ships that benefit everyone. Even if it is behind a paywall for a short period (compared to the length of time the ship drought went on for).
They could be blamed for exploiting it though.Frontier isn't to blame for people's inability to manage anxiety.
Yeah, after I typed that I figured the v word wasn't perhaps the best fit, so I added balance as that's more relevant really.from a verisimilitude POV i dont think that is such an issue.
the cobra mk3 is........ i am not even gonna guess as i cant remember but it is over 100 years old. sure it is has some face lifts over the years but even so in real life if you were to compare a performance car from the 1980s to one produced today, in the majority of metrics the old car would be objectively worse in most areas.
one area i have some experience in.... take a nissan 370z and compare it to a 1980s W10 toyota mr2
(I deliberately cheated and didnt compare a W20 MR2 to a W30 one as i would say arguably the W20 is the better car
In my view, new content should ideally always complement what's already in the game, not replace it or make it redundant. Unfortunately, that is something Frontier have a lot of form in, one just needs to look at the various outfitting options in the game.
While I definitely hear the arguments against power creep in a sandbox. Equipment being superseded is the norm in video games.
Why not, all the other ships were provided at no extra cost to those who had bought the appropriate game/DLC.
If they weren’t successful they wouldn’t waste resources making more.
It’s basic business practice. You don’t keep making new products that don’t make a profit.
If you’re confused by the concept, have a think about how many of your childhood chocolate bars are no longer on the shelves.
The Krait Mk2 is not the best example because it's a pretty bad PvP ship, the Cobra Mk5 in the right hands is a tough opponent.
Let's not start to feel sorry for a poor business company. They need to do the work only once and then they can sell virtually unlimited copies of the exact same product.
They are not like a bakery where you need to bake a new bread every time you want to sell more.
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The problem with allowing players to choose their progression (something I consider almost mandatory in single-player experiences), or opt in to these features, is that this is a persistent multiplayer-only setting. One can choose not to instance with others, but the BGS, PP, and the gameplay aspects of the overarching plot, are shared. Some find it easy to ignore these things, but doing so rather defeats the point from my perspective.
Whether we like it or not, our CMDR's progressions are all intertwined to some small degree. If I don't take advantage of the opportunities presented, I'm playing at a handicap vs. some. I don't want this any more than I want an advantage. I want as level a playing field as possible. And in a multiplayer game, this means everyone playing by the same rules.
I don't see shared knowledge as an RP issue in a setting that, despite some vague lore to the contrary, clearly depicts near omnipresent FTL communication. Anything that one CMDR discovers could easily be disseminated to the whole galaxy in very little time.
Anyway, FDev offering ways for players to play by different, ostensibly better, rules is definitely on FDev.
That’s a great point. Technology is supposed to progress and older ships are supposed to become obsolete.
I get how that’s a problem for people who enjoy multiplayer. I would compare it to Diablo 2 (I know this is an ancient example but it’s on my mind because of PD2) - if someone came out with a new character class that was obviously better than another, that would be sort of game breaking. They are supposed to all be balanced.
I’ve pretty much given up on multiplayer in ED. Just never had a single enjoyable experience and can’t even really imagine what it would be like. So for me, the idea of newer, better ships and older obsolete ships, doesn’t bother me
That’s not what you said when you insisted to me before that your CMDR doesn’t do anything that they haven’t discovered for themselves. - At least one of your arguments is disingenuous.
Maybe I should have left you on my ignore list, anyway welcome back…
To a veteran, rebuy costs on ANY ship are so incredibly insignificant in Elite. I salute him on his creative writing but umm yeah, nobody cares about rebuy costs as it is. Certainly not someone with quadbillions in the bank. How is that ruining the game experience?
If you are (even only remotely) interested in exploration events, try expeditions. These were the most fun with the multiplayer features in Elite I ever had. Actually, they were the most fun in general in Elite. I guess it is due to it being casual non-competitive co-op gameplay.
That I've been playing early and long enough to have discovered almost everything I know about the game firsthand does nothing to negate the fact that the game's setting depicts easy and omnipresent FTL communications that render the issue of player knowledge, in the current game, largely moot.
If you think I've made some prior argument to the contrary, you must be mistaken.
Edit: Yes, you are definitely mistaken.
This seems to be the post you are referring to: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...urpose-needs-overhauling.627916/post-10467098
I see utterly no claim, explicit or implied, in that post that would make my argument in post #313 of this thread appear disingenuous. Nor do I have the faintest idea why you'd assume these arguments were mutually exclusive.
This game gives every CMDR vessel near-instantaneous galaxy spanning FTL communications, both via the in-game chat and features like telepresence. That is an indisputable fact.
I don't like relying on third party sources and I do not need to. I have 10k hours in this game and I enjoy dissecting games as much as I enjoy playing them. This in no way implies that I have any problem with these sources of information from an RP aspect, in this setting, because this setting makes the exchange of information trivial.
Zero contradictions in my positions here.
If you're going to take offense every time I don't agree with your misremembered distortions of my positions, that's definitely for the best.
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While everyone was telling me the Mandalay was the greatest thing since toast, I waited until I could buy it for credits. My game wasn't "ruined" . My gameplay wasn't impacted. The fact that other people had a new toy faster than I did, made absolutely no impact on me at all whatsoever.
I chose to buy the Corsair for ARX because I wanted to support FDEV and I was bored with Colonization. But yeah, there's no guns being held to our heads here. There's no "pay2win" in Elite Dangerous and people need to stop with that silliniess. None of these ships are so amazing that it makes the game a joke. And honestly the vast majority of everyone is in Solo or massive private groups so....what would it matter anyway?
just for the record not all of us - even veterans - are that wealthy. That said in many ways the economy in elite was better early doors. back then it was possible to actual struggle for money - unless you chose to cheese the game. That was the golden era for the game imo where piracy actually made some semblence of sense in the game beyond roleplay and sometimes it was a necessity to fly with less than the best gear for your build as you could not afford it
now however one cant help but earn silly profits, and add to that if one wants a fleet carrier it is kind of mandatory now (though as i said.... even so not all of us are that wealthy). its a bit of a segue but its a damn shame really imo