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indeed as i said in my last post... proof many of us want different things from the game...... the more Verisimilitude the better for me. It is why i obsess about VR i suppose
Immersion and Why Elite FEELS so...Gamey
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indeed as i said in my last post... proof many of us want different things from the game...... the more Verisimilitude the better for me. It is why i obsess about VR i suppose
Personally I think driving around alien world's and shooting rocks to gather exotic and rare materials such as iron is an excellent mechanic.
Imagine if you could just buy it, for money. It would be terrible.
Imagine if you could just buy it, for money. It would be terrible.
Thank you for proving my point of how flawed someone else's - not yours - logic in this thread was. Not that I needed help, but I'll take any I can get
I perfectly agree - so how about you address which part of OP's post is objectively untrue? And how his subjective feeling of where the game could be improved is less objective than your subjective opinion on where it doesn't? That would shed some light and put the discussion back on track. Thank you.
Can we just get a new Sub-forum called maybe 'My Objective Philosophy of Elite' or 'Elite Essays' or 'Total Waste of Time'
Amen to that. But, the people posting this stuffs would have to recognize what they are writing for what it is. Likely, or not? You decide.
I think you're failing to see the point of my post, or maybe I am failing in explaining it.
OP's post was his opinion on which elements of the game feel too "gamey", a term he also explained. So how exactly does it invalidate his opinion, again?
Or are you aiming at my phrase "objective truths"?
Isn't it an objective truth that this game's flight mechanics are spot-on?
Isn't it an objective truth that some of game's elements don't follow logic?
Isn't it an objective truth that some game consistency was sacrificed for the sake of fun game play?
No. Because all of that calls for you to invoke your opinion. Objectivity is destroyed.
Objective Truth = 1 + 1 = 2
Subjective opinion = this game's flight mechanics are spot-on? Ect.
I understand what you mean now. Though I still don't think pure subjectivity of one's point of view devalues post, but who cares what I think.
In light of your thesis then, I guess entire discussion about what "the game is", "should be" or "could be" is pointless because none of arguments brought forth in such discussions have subjective value. Hell, even Frontier's vision of the game is - you guessed it - subjective.
I'll show myself out then, I'll do some Exploration reading.
In light of your thesis then, I guess entire discussion about what "the game is", "should be" or "could be" is pointless because none of arguments brought forth in such discussions have subjective value. Hell, even Frontier's vision of the game is - you guessed it - subjective.
I'll show myself out then, I'll do some Exploration reading.
There's nothing wrong with having A-E ratings, it's easy to understand, and it mirrors real life, and makes comparisons easy. Here's the real life version:
Interesting thread.
Personally I picked up an OCULUS and installed the game because I had never heard of it before. Had no idea it was even popular given the games I am used to playing which are only PVP such as Aces High. The graphics here are captivating and over the hill to say the least @ ED!!!! NPC mechanics are interesting at best.
Personally I picked up an OCULUS and installed the game because I had never heard of it before. Had no idea it was even popular given the games I am used to playing which are only PVP such as Aces High. The graphics here are captivating and over the hill to say the least @ ED!!!! NPC mechanics are interesting at best.
That's not entirely true. Reasonable discourse cannot hurt any game's development. FD have been very good about listening to and filtering the disparate commentary here and elsewhere to improve the game. I balked at the use of Objective, and Truth when discussing opinions. Those kinds of words fix people into dogmatic positions, and that can ruin a discussion.
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Thank you for bringing up my pet immersion breaker. It's the first of many examples I used to give FD as constructive feedback. Followed closely by instantaneous data transmission across the galaxy (multicrew telepresense).
Two points...
It's not just the absurdity of these (and many other) immersion breakers. One could almost (barely) accept instantaneous data tranmission at unlimited distance if such technology was used elsewhere in the galaxy, but it isn't. The inconsistency is just as much an immersion breaker. You can buy gold, but you can't buy iron. And why? Because iron is used by Engineers. What??
Secondly, I am at a loss as to David Braben's input. Here's a man who prides himself on creating an excellect PG galaxy simulation, passionately describing the accuracy with which the various system bodies are created, and yet he lets the gameplay be designed with such verisimilitude failures. Weird.
I see so many people saying it's just a game, and... "gameplay". Yup, true. But the two bad game design examples given above could easily have been designed without the current absurdities, as dozens of old threads have shown. FD, please put as much love into gameplay development as you have with the PG galaxy.
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You one of those people who read the last page of a book first to determine if the rest is worth reading? Or do you DVR all your TV shows so you can watch them in fast-forward?
It's ok if you are, some of my best friends are that way. I won't understand it any more, but at least I'll get it.
I save my thesis posts for things like Suggestions, as the more complete an idea is, the more likely it is to be considered.
This though, is barely a synopsis, and is more entertainment value than anything else.
Still tl;dr? Live like your alive, not like you're on life-support.
Surely as a government employee it should say pence not pounds
To be honest, most times when I look at it it's difficult to see through the tears mate.
Well someone said it above, "did you read just the LAST page?" On reading many responses in this thread and reading ALL of OP's post I find myself here to appoligize to him. You do, indeed, make some valid points. Perhaps I focused on your GAMEY comment but not your explanation.
I agree that as much as I like and enjoy playing ED that much of the mechanics do not make since. Miniturzation alone should not have regressed to the point of silliness. I realize that Frontier felt they had to establish some measure of allowing for equipment placement to conform with a certain game play. But much does not make since. That it is as it is is fine as we all adapt. But it's the reasoning or is that called lore here?
Anyway, my appoligies OP ...
Chief
I agree that as much as I like and enjoy playing ED that much of the mechanics do not make since. Miniturzation alone should not have regressed to the point of silliness. I realize that Frontier felt they had to establish some measure of allowing for equipment placement to conform with a certain game play. But much does not make since. That it is as it is is fine as we all adapt. But it's the reasoning or is that called lore here?
Anyway, my appoligies OP ...
Chief
Well, consider that what we all think about the various mechanics is subjective, mean some will like what you like, and some will dislike it.
Then the problem about you feeling it breaks your immersion is something subjective, it may not do it for some other people or it may.
If you want to avoid that, you need to think beyond the mechanics, instead of going "this feels gamey" you need to allow yourself to be immersed despite that, because that is what immersion comes down to, you going. "This is this world works." and acting accordingly.
So yeah....and since its subjective on who likes what, it is really a difficult thing to solve, personally I can immerse myself in most any game, regardless of bad mechanics, it is just about looking past that and accepting it is how it is.