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Immersive Ship Transition vs. Teleportation
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XXXI don't think the blue circle is meant as a teleportation type of thing, it's just an indicator as to where you need to go. Like when you are onboarding your SRV back to the ship. But I agree it could be better placed so that when you're on the circle you're facing a doorway or ladder, just to help with immersion. Maybe that is the intention and we just didn't see it clearly. I'm pretty sure on the other video with the shuttle service, as he was about to board he approached the Adder's steps.
I don’t think anyone is implying that it’s teleportation within the game lore. It’s just teleportation as far as we, the players, see. And yes, from what we’ve seen so far it looks like the blue circle is in different positions for different ships so for ones with a ramp/elevator they might be located at the base of that ramp/elevator.
The thing that puzzles me is they built all the ships to be future proof, with legs in mind, and then dont use the darn steps! The Conda is the only one with damage effects though so not sure what thats about.
Im not a dev or a programmer or a coder, and I certainly don't understand game development, but I hope that this is one thing that they do change before full release. It doesn't seem that hard to move the blue teleport circle to outside the door or the top of the steps, surely it wouldn't involve mass loads of work would it? I can see ladders being an issue as will need whole new 'climbing' code unless its at the bottom of the ladder, but in the space station they went up and down steps so thats already there? Shouldnt take any longer really than going under the ship so the 'dont want to be travelling while your ship is getting shot up' argument doesnt really make sense to me, that does apply to interiors though I can see that, but not for boarding location.
And Ive never played the immersion card before so Im playing it on this one thing and this one thing only.
There are in the stations.
It looks silly when players just disappear (if you were looking at another player enter their ship). I agree some kind of 1 - 2 second entry animation should be added.
... I would also love be "ported" into the cockpit (every cockpit has a door - dump us there after a blackout) and then have the ability to walk around the cockpit area only, and then to my own chair and sit down.
That seems like a good half-way house between gameplay time / developer resources and satisfying the walk around / ship interior crowd.
... I would also love be "ported" into the cockpit (every cockpit has a door - dump us there after a blackout) and then have the ability to walk around the cockpit area only, and then to my own chair and sit down.
That seems like a good half-way house between gameplay time / developer resources and satisfying the walk around / ship interior crowd.
You would be able to get a sense of scale of the cockpit, pick a seat, appreciate the view, and feel like you were getting in it / out of it to your SRV / SLF?
Even without ship interiors, creating proper airlocks/elevators for all ships isn't an unreasonable request. If you're really lazy (and FDev is as evidenced by fade-to-black being their go-to), then a universal 'eleveator' from the cargo hatch would work as literally all ships have this exact same size asset in place, requiring little in the way of customization.
But, hey, everybody else wants the quickest, most seamless possible way. Which means blue halo is in.
If only we could just drop supercruise and jump ranges, imagine how much time we could spend doing repetitive tasks instead of immersing in the galaxy!
But, hey, everybody else wants the quickest, most seamless possible way. Which means blue halo is in.
If only we could just drop supercruise and jump ranges, imagine how much time we could spend doing repetitive tasks instead of immersing in the galaxy!
meh. that argument won't work. They don't have time to do something like this on top of alpha tests and optimization at this point. It's really quite a disappointment.
So, realistic transitions to your ship will take time/dev cycles to implement, as there are lots of ships. Pretty sure fdev wants to stay away from ship specific animations, whenever possible. Not saying they won't happen later, but they'll probably be much more concerned with odyssey and getting the essentials of first-person space legs down.
Referencing Bioware's anthem experience: the suiting up animation gets boring after a while, although it's still a cool thing to see every now and then.
A good middle ground might be to...
- Mask load times with the animation (ones that you'd get anyways)
- If load times are so short that masking is irrelevant, you can offer the user the ability to "skip" the transition
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I'd be surprised if ship interiors wasn't one of the next things on the list and then we'd get a proper transition.
I would assume that a ladder would already be down with the landing gear like some ships already are with the staircase?
Some people would say there is no gameplay involved with a more detailed entrance for ships, so the circle on the ground and instant pop out is preferable to having Fdev spend time and resources fleshing out anything more.
I disagree
I disagree
Circle on the ground reminds of gta5 when you enter buildings.
Fade to black works for me very well.
Please feel free to make another dozen I want threads and try to justify them.
Please feel free to make another dozen I want threads and try to justify them.
You would think so, or make it that way for the ships that have separate hatches. But even then its a case of got to a spot and press X though?
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I still remember their first footage and text script going along with it...
"[...]one of the key things I really wanted to push was the idea that you kind of get that Neil Armstrong moment when you actually set foot on a Planet for the first time, had to have a slight emotional resonance to it, had to feel like you were literally touching the ground for the first time[...]" (Art Director, ELITE Dangerous)
Well, nothing beats popping into existence out of nowhere right on the Ground after being Teleported straight from the Cockpit
Anyway, the compromise I envisioned/suggested to avoid that type of retro Transition (doing so was standard in Games... 20 years ago or so?) :
Not a too long moment, so it still allows to get into/out of the Ship within a reasonable time, if haste (i.e. Ship under attack) is envisioned to be a bigger factor.
That'd be a far more modern Transition and the only really new asset required would be the Airlock.
Reasonably small thing, minimal effort (a simple standardized Airlock vs. Ship Interiors for dozens of Ships) - big effect.
"[...]one of the key things I really wanted to push was the idea that you kind of get that Neil Armstrong moment when you actually set foot on a Planet for the first time, had to have a slight emotional resonance to it, had to feel like you were literally touching the ground for the first time[...]" (Art Director, ELITE Dangerous)
Well, nothing beats popping into existence out of nowhere right on the Ground after being Teleported straight from the Cockpit
Anyway, the compromise I envisioned/suggested to avoid that type of retro Transition (doing so was standard in Games... 20 years ago or so?) :
- do a quick Transition but end up in the Airlock, where upon a button press the Airlock opens (it could just open automatically, saving a keypress)
- there's your chance of SFX/VFX doing their thing as the chamber depressurizes and the lighting doing its thing when the Airlock opens
- quick run of stairs (or comparable) heading down, leading you to the Planet Surface
Not a too long moment, so it still allows to get into/out of the Ship within a reasonable time, if haste (i.e. Ship under attack) is envisioned to be a bigger factor.
That'd be a far more modern Transition and the only really new asset required would be the Airlock.
Reasonably small thing, minimal effort (a simple standardized Airlock vs. Ship Interiors for dozens of Ships) - big effect.
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