Just don't feel like logging in...
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Elite has a great space flight/combat engine, probably the best out there. And very little challenging content for said engine - once you've blown up an NPC anaconda, that's it for bounty hunting. Sure there's trade and pirating traders, but those will only hold a players interest for so long.
What it needs is challenging content for bounty hunting, exploration, and smuggling - it needs to be Elite : Dangerous.
Edit: Come to think of it, what this game needs is Thargoids. Challenging ships that will actually kill players.
What it needs is challenging content for bounty hunting, exploration, and smuggling - it needs to be Elite : Dangerous.
Edit: Come to think of it, what this game needs is Thargoids. Challenging ships that will actually kill players.
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Dangerous it isn't.
As for the best out there ? Not sure anymore after finding Space Engine for one. It's questionable how long Elite can hold up against others in 12 months time. Even Limit Theory looks twice the game ED is and it's only one man developing it with a tenth of the Kickstarter backing. Elite Dangerous' problem is and always will be Elite. We got a pale imitation of the original and the (buggy) sequels. Like I compared to before; its Phantom Menace against A New Hope.
It's a week I'm not logging in. Partly because I got flu and I couldn't play with headache, and partly because I didn't feel it would really ease the boredom of staying at home the entire day. Now that I'm getting well, I'm not sure I want to resume playing, at least for a while. I have a Clipper, I can make 2.5m an hour with it, but the only reason to do it is to grind now so when (if) the content that I would enjoy will actually arrive I don't have to grind then. And that's getting thin for a reson to play.
I did think about it, and ultimately, what upset me the most is not the content that it's currently missing, but the fact that even with the little that there is the game could be so much better. It makes me really wonder what the designers are thinking, since they clearly show talent in the attention to details in some areas, but on the other hand so many things are arbitrary and unfun.
Why the income balance for the different professions is all over the place.
Why I can't have harder combat mission with higher rewards, Anaconda with escorts, stealth hunts... we had this in Alpha 1.0!
Why anarchy systems aren't actually more dangerous and more lucrative.
Why reputation is useless.
Why the lame placeholder USS mechanics is still there, even the most amateur designer would know it's terrible design as it is, and they had at least 6 months from beta to come out with something better (plenty of easy suggestions on how to do it in the forums already)
Granted, if I wasn't been here since alpha I would probably have enjoyed the game more at launch, but I think I would be pretty much in the same spot as I am by now. So yeah, taking a break from the game, and probably from the forum as well since it seems there's no good news on the horizon.
I did think about it, and ultimately, what upset me the most is not the content that it's currently missing, but the fact that even with the little that there is the game could be so much better. It makes me really wonder what the designers are thinking, since they clearly show talent in the attention to details in some areas, but on the other hand so many things are arbitrary and unfun.
Why the income balance for the different professions is all over the place.
Why I can't have harder combat mission with higher rewards, Anaconda with escorts, stealth hunts... we had this in Alpha 1.0!
Why anarchy systems aren't actually more dangerous and more lucrative.
Why reputation is useless.
Why the lame placeholder USS mechanics is still there, even the most amateur designer would know it's terrible design as it is, and they had at least 6 months from beta to come out with something better (plenty of easy suggestions on how to do it in the forums already)
Granted, if I wasn't been here since alpha I would probably have enjoyed the game more at launch, but I think I would be pretty much in the same spot as I am by now. So yeah, taking a break from the game, and probably from the forum as well since it seems there's no good news on the horizon.
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You say this like there's all this cool other stuff to do.
There isn't and you know it. Why even say this?
What should he go and do in his Viper? Maybe take up a mission to escort and protect an NPC trader leaving the station? Maybe takeup a mission to go and scout out and locate a pirate base in an asteroid field? Maybe with a group of friends try and obtain the special rare cargos floating in a dead station populated/protected by pirates?
...or were you suggesting he goes to a nav beacon in an anarchy system and blows up random NPCs with a wanted status, over and over... and over?
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I'm not intending to be confrontational...
BigCheese was talking about the lack of stuff to do, which you responded to. There is of course stuff to do in ED, but a bit like BigCheese I'm of the thinking that at the moment it's all very paper thin. Of course you can go off exploring, but a lot of people realise after a few dozen systems, they've seen basically all the ingredients there are, and any more systems will simply be more of the same - ie: Difference coloured balls.
Probably the best fun is combat, but this again is all very vapid really. NPCs turning up a nav beacons for no reason, offering themselves up for needless slaughter (if they are wanted). And let's not talk about NPCs in uber high spec ships (like Federal Dropships etc) who don't even bother with shields!
At the moment the game is a bunch of bones; It needs serious feeding up to add true depth and interest to almost all aspects of it. IMHO.
I completed the last of my self-goals yesterday when I made it to Tycoon, self-made goals are the only things that have kept me in the game this long. There's nothing much in 1.1 that I'm interested in; I'm certainly not going to get involved in community-grinding. I wanted to see the graphical improvements from 1.1 (such as they are) but Wednesday will be my last time in ED, at least for a while. I'll keep an eye on the forums to see if major new content appears for the single-player game; I don't have high hopes for that but time will tell.
The game is very bare bones. I realize it's somewhat subjective, but honestly, it's pretty much a fact to anyone being halfway reasonable. Let's be real here.
Game seems eternally stuck in the proof of concept phase. It seems intentionally obtuse to say otherwise. Like the other guy said, it's paper thin.
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if you look at the "We Are Anarchy" thread today there are players seriously trying to inject something into the game. I applaud the effort, but ultimately the game can't support that kind of PVP/ Community style content/ lore generation because the engine is ultimately flawed. It can't be fixed easily so what we'll get is layer upon layer of nonsense built to the same design thought process as we have now. It started off as a nice dream, sadly all dreams end and all that's left is a fading memory of what could have been. Frontier have only themselves to blame for the lack of skill to implement the vision they asked us all to chip in for.
At least I have these to keep me going. Shame the same thought and attention wasn't lavished on the players. [sorry posted via phone and the attachments didn't work correctly]
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Well, it's still a proof of concept demo months after release.
Not sure how else to describe it, by the time this game resembles what FD wanted to make, it's audience will have died of old age.
But yeah, don't tell people to "start playing" as if there's this whole world of fun they're missing, that's simply ridiculous. You can only splash around in a puddle for so long...
The game is seriously lacking content, depth and meaningful interaction. FD KNOW this, they don't reply in threads like these because they'd have to admit it.
I personally don't believe you (ziggy) are enjoying it as much as you say, after all you're a self confessed "white fanboy knight".
The fact that this game lacks so much IS a fact, not an opinion. And it's a damn shame.
What NeilF sarcastically suggested, why couldn't we have missions like those??
Thank you for telling us all about this, i am just messing about in beta at the moment, i will go back to the main game once proper multiplayer is in and other promised content added + better balancing of ship firepower etc.
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Guys, agree to disagree and leave it at that ? There's a growing air of despair with playing Elite Dangerous for a lot of people now, and whilst others can still find something to do, others crave more than what we have been given. We were promised something that has failed to deliver on a number of points. It'll all be a rather sad chapter in Frontier's history and a lot of mistrust from gamers who backed this. Gaming evolved, Frontier didn't.
Sorry, but the lack of content is a fact, easily demonstrated. Try to hide behind "that's just your opinion" all you want, but it's a misdirection and a lie. Its fine if you and others are enjoying what little there is, but that is completely different then the discussion about how much there is to do. How fun it is, yes is opinion , but how MUCH there is is quantitative and miniscule at best.
Lets measure based on other games.
MMO's, people bring WoW up quite a bit, WoW had orders of magnitude more content than ED at release, so by comparator ED has very little content as a matter of fact.
Sandbox, we could look at narrative based, Skyrim, what a joke, ED has so much less content it's not even fair, it's like trying to compare a bicycle to a fighter jet in terms of speed. OK narrative free sandbox, let's say minecraft...players have been able to build entire worlds, again light years apart from ed.
Space flight sim, hmm maybe ed has a chance, tachyon, freespce, freelancer, wing commander, even Elite, just loads more content.
it is measurably and demonstrably a fact, not opinion ED has little content.
I think what happened is they tried to reinvent the wheel, especially when it seems you don't have a clear established goal and rush to complete it, they may not have been the case but whenever something is as convoluted as ed where it looks like things keep getting slapped on ad hoc...smacks of poor planning and poor design
The game contains precisely what I was lead to believe it would contain, and I thoroughly enjoy playing it daily. I do this while patiently looking forward to what the future may bring in the form of patches and updates/expansions.
Does that make me a liar, or am I hiding behind something?
Don't bother replying, I won't be able to read it.
This!
I've said it myself too, don't play a game to death and if you're playing a early access game (which I can't stand anymore) you're robbing yourself of the full experience on release. It's possible to burn out on a game before it's even released - how stupid is that? Early access games for me are pretty much done. I'll wait for release I'm not alpha or beta testing buggy POS software any longer.
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If we at least had something to look forward to, some idea of what the game will be like, when fully fleshed out. They surely DO have the vision and definitive plans.. but they keep it secret to be able to pitch exclusive info month by month by droplets to online magazines. Attracting potential players, ignoring the existing players.
I do wonder, what these potential players think, when they check out forums and see, that the game feels dead inside and there are no plans, no road map. Just the tidbits from newsletters with very little info.
Perhaps FDEV forgets, that forums are almost primary reference and source of info for people considering getting into massive multiplayer games (not meaning mmo, just listing properties of ED).
Demand a ROAD MAP!!! I can't say this enough
this is what has pushed me away from the game now. I love the trading side of games but here it just doesn't make any sense.
seems odd the we can fly where ever we want but stations are only allowed to advertise what they want to buy and sell within there own station. I know we can see what they produce and what is required but it isn't the same. also can't see why we can't have a market that would allow us to buy low, store the items and then sell later when the market goes up.