Please don't nerf the new mining

[Cliché]

Still an insanely large amount of roids, can't see how any ring can get depleted

Agree, or it should take a very long time. I could see the hot spots going a little faster. But I thought some deplorable types were mapping asteroids and mining them over and over, so how are they being depleted? Do they only last 24 hours once mined, or a week, or a month?

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Hello Commanders,

We wanted to address some concerns you may have regarding the high value of one of the new mining commodities, Void Opals.

Changes to the Background Simulation, which came with Beyond – Chapter Four, mean that there are now more elements that impact the value of a commodity than there were previously. In the instance at Viktorenko Holdings, these elements have lined up for a limited time in a way that allow the faction to be able to offer high prices on specific commodities.

To confirm, this does mean that, at this time, we are not planning to reduce the value of Void Opals.

In addition to this, the more motherlodes (containing Void Opals) that Commanders encounter and mine from (in a ring), the rarer they will become, driving an emergent and natural rush that will force intrepid miners into new horizons, seeking lucrative mining hotspots before they deplete. Ultimately, with the new mining changes, this is something we want to celebrate!

As we've mentioned previously, the Background Simulation is continually being monitored and we may still need to apply some further fine tuning to ensure that the Simulation is as interesting and dynamic as we intended when making these changes.

In the meantime, go for gold! Happy holidays!

Well now, that is quite interesting.

Thanks, Will!

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I don't understand, sorry. So you are saying the current price is an anomaly, but you won't change it? It will change on it's own. And what do you mean with 'the rarer they become'? Does that mean that there are a finite amount of these motherlodes and once depleted they are gone. If so, I hate that. I am currently out doing something entirely else (desperately trying to collect guardian tech components and epsilon data to finally build the anti xeno krait I imagine). It would suck if the profitability of mining, which is still a factor 2-5 below passenger missions btw, would be a one time thing. I know you explicitly said that you aren't going to touch, but your message sounds like the typical PR talk which usually means the opposite of what you may thing at first, no offence.

He's not saying it's an anomaly. He's saying that the price is right for the stars that have aligned on that system.

He saying that it's working as intended, and is encouraging the player base to take advantage of the opportunity.

And frankly, with the amount of miners pushing through the system, it has created a nice opportunity for pirates as well.

Would be nice to get some clarification. Does that mean only the cloud remains for 24 hours, the roid is gone forever? Still an insanely large amount of roids, can't see how any ring can get depleted

Sounds like we can actually strip mine a ring of its motherlodes, i.e. maybe the hotspots will go away, or the chance of encountering cores will just decrease. If that's the case, I see that as a good thing - so many of us have been advocating for a more dynamic galaxy. If this is is indeed how it works, it's a big step in the right direction.

 

[Weps]

In addition to this, the more motherlodes (containing Void Opals) that Commanders encounter and mine from (in a ring), the rarer they will become, driving an emergent and natural rush that will force intrepid miners into new horizons, seeking lucrative mining hotspots before they deplete. Ultimately, with the new mining changes, this is something we want to celebrate!

I am actually curious how the BGS works in this case and if a permanent depletion of a ring is actually possible or if this is just more "exciting" talk.

I don't remember hearing about this before the update, but then again I stopped paying attention to everything they say some while ago. All I remember hearing about is the persistence of motherlode graphics (fragments and dust) but IIRC those do reset at some point, so if the rush only refers to pristine motherlodes, then we're not talking so much about depletion as we are actually talking about the ring being reset.

Does anyone else have any reference regarding motherlode permanent depletion?

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I am actually curious how the BGS works in this case and if a permanent depletion of a ring is actually possible or if this is just more "exciting" talk.

I don't remember hearing about this before the update, but then again I stopped paying attention to everything they say some while ago. All I remember hearing about is the persistence of motherlode graphics (fragments and dust) but IIRC those do reset at some point, so if the rush only refers to pristine motherlodes, then we're not talking so much about depletion as we are actually talking about the ring being reset.

Does anyone else have any reference regarding motherlode permanent depletion?

I suppose we will have to deplete a system and find out.

 

[TheSisko]

Hello Commanders,

We wanted to address some concerns you may have regarding the high value of one of the new mining commodities, Void Opals.

Changes to the Background Simulation, which came with Beyond – Chapter Four, mean that there are now more elements that impact the value of a commodity than there were previously. In the instance at Viktorenko Holdings, these elements have lined up for a limited time in a way that allow the faction to be able to offer high prices on specific commodities.

To confirm, this does mean that, at this time, we are not planning to reduce the value of Void Opals.

In addition to this, the more motherlodes (containing Void Opals) that Commanders encounter and mine from (in a ring), the rarer they will become, driving an emergent and natural rush that will force intrepid miners into new horizons, seeking lucrative mining hotspots before they deplete. Ultimately, with the new mining changes, this is something we want to celebrate!

As we've mentioned previously, the Background Simulation is continually being monitored and we may still need to apply some further fine tuning to ensure that the Simulation is as interesting and dynamic as we intended when making these changes.

In the meantime, go for gold! Happy holidays!

Thanks Will, I find this news reassuring. [up]

Does this mean that eventually, core material hotspots will dry up within the bubble, therefore encouraging deep-space mining? If so, that's fantastic work by Frontier. I say that as someone who had a ship ready for such work years ago, before realising there was no point back then.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Hello Commanders,

We wanted to address some concerns you may have regarding the high value of one of the new mining commodities, Void Opals.

Changes to the Background Simulation, which came with Beyond – Chapter Four, mean that there are now more elements that impact the value of a commodity than there were previously. In the instance at Viktorenko Holdings, these elements have lined up for a limited time in a way that allow the faction to be able to offer high prices on specific commodities.

To confirm, this does mean that, at this time, we are not planning to reduce the value of Void Opals.

In addition to this, the more motherlodes (containing Void Opals) that Commanders encounter and mine from (in a ring), the rarer they will become, driving an emergent and natural rush that will force intrepid miners into new horizons, seeking lucrative mining hotspots before they deplete. Ultimately, with the new mining changes, this is something we want to celebrate!

As we've mentioned previously, the Background Simulation is continually being monitored and we may still need to apply some further fine tuning to ensure that the Simulation is as interesting and dynamic as we intended when making these changes.

In the meantime, go for gold! Happy holidays!

Will, the only issue/question I have now is how the markets work. If you look at void opals in that commodity market, there is zero demand, and one pip. Shouldn't that mean prices have bottomed out? Or do those demand indicators not really mean much in this scenario?

 

[TheSisko]

He's not saying it's an anomaly. He's saying that the price is right for the stars that have aligned on that system.

He saying that it's working as intended, and is encouraging the player base to take advantage of the opportunity.

And frankly, with the amount of miners pushing through the system, it has created a nice opportunity for pirates as well.

Hence that Pirate Attack state.

Its all linked. Chapter 4 just keeps on giving.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Hence that Pirate Attack state.

Its all linked. Chapter 4 just keeps on giving.

No, I mean PvP pirates

But yes, you're right, and yes it does

 

[TheSisko]

No, I mean PvP pirates

Oh, that's cool. I was thinking about putting together a Pirate Challenger with rusty skin to boot. A forthcoming mining trip will pay for that I think, so, if you guys could please leave core materials for me, that would be great, thanks.

But yes, you're right, and yes it does

There's so much to see, do and discover now. Love it. [up] Spent yesterday checking out the Lagrange clouds and the stuff within them, if anyone here is on Xbox, join the ED Photos Club and check out my stuff from Hotdog47.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Oh, that's cool. I was thinking about putting together a Pirate Challenger with rusty skin to boot. A forthcoming mining trip will pay for that I think, so, if you guys could please leave core materials for me, that would be great, thanks.



There's so much to see, do and discover now. Love it. [up] Spent yesterday checking out the Lagrange clouds and the stuff within them, if anyone here is on Xbox, join the ED Photos Club and check out my stuff from Hotdog47.

I know, dude. I'm out visiting the guardian sites, having a good time. I've seen xeno/bio/geo stuff that I had only ever heard about. Finding easier avenues for modding my ships. The codex is awesome, mining is awesome, the BGS is looking awesome.

3.3 is a winner. Straight up.

 

[dm0815]

So if this is true it would be great if the commodities market would react in the same way. There is some price fluctuation which can be used to earn a good amount of credits, but it still feels too static. No matter where in the bubble I am, prices stay the same more or less.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

So if this is true it would be great if the commodities market would react in the same way. There is some price fluctuation which can be used to earn a good amount of credits, but it still feels too static. No matter where in the bubble I am, prices stay the same more or less.

Yeah, I've always been under the impression that markets don't "work right".

 

[TheSisko]

So if this is true it would be great if the commodities market would react in the same way. There is some price fluctuation which can be used to earn a good amount of credits, but it still feels too static. No matter where in the bubble I am, prices stay the same more or less.

Yeah, I've always been under the impression that markets don't "work right".

What bugs me about markets is that the location isn't taken into account. I don't think there an agriculture market within 50 Ly within Maia, yet the demand and prices for food there is normal.

Oh well, today's news a good first step for markets. Hopefully there's more to come. We still haven't seen any Incursion-state systems, have we? The market demands for them should be interesting.

 

[Ozric]

Hello Commanders,

We wanted to address some concerns you may have regarding the high value of one of the new mining commodities, Void Opals.

Changes to the Background Simulation, which came with Beyond – Chapter Four, mean that there are now more elements that impact the value of a commodity than there were previously. In the instance at Viktorenko Holdings, these elements have lined up for a limited time in a way that allow the faction to be able to offer high prices on specific commodities.

To confirm, this does mean that, at this time, we are not planning to reduce the value of Void Opals.

In addition to this, the more motherlodes (containing Void Opals) that Commanders encounter and mine from (in a ring), the rarer they will become, driving an emergent and natural rush that will force intrepid miners into new horizons, seeking lucrative mining hotspots before they deplete. Ultimately, with the new mining changes, this is something we want to celebrate!

As we've mentioned previously, the Background Simulation is continually being monitored and we may still need to apply some further fine tuning to ensure that the Simulation is as interesting and dynamic as we intended when making these changes.

In the meantime, go for gold! Happy holidays!

Thanks for the update Will.

w00t depleting rings!

 

[Jenner]

Thanks for the update Will.

w00t depleting rings!

That's really cool! I applaud the effort to make the universe more dynamic and responsive to player actions. I wouldn't want mining depletion it to go *too* far, though. (Don't want to have to travel halfway to Colonia just to get a decent haul). But yeah. It's trending in the right direction for sure.

 

[Marra Morgan]

Hello Commanders,

We wanted to address some concerns you may have regarding the high value of one of the new mining commodities, Void Opals.

Changes to the Background Simulation, which came with Beyond – Chapter Four, mean that there are now more elements that impact the value of a commodity than there were previously. In the instance at Viktorenko Holdings, these elements have lined up for a limited time in a way that allow the faction to be able to offer high prices on specific commodities.

To confirm, this does mean that, at this time, we are not planning to reduce the value of Void Opals.

In addition to this, the more motherlodes (containing Void Opals) that Commanders encounter and mine from (in a ring), the rarer they will become, driving an emergent and natural rush that will force intrepid miners into new horizons, seeking lucrative mining hotspots before they deplete. Ultimately, with the new mining changes, this is something we want to celebrate!

As we've mentioned previously, the Background Simulation is continually being monitored and we may still need to apply some further fine tuning to ensure that the Simulation is as interesting and dynamic as we intended when making these changes.

In the meantime, go for gold! Happy holidays!

Love it! [heart]

This is what the background sim should be about, forget all the vanity conquest rubbish

 

[Chris Simon]

Thanks Will, I find this news reassuring. [up]

Does this mean that eventually, core material hotspots will dry up within the bubble, therefore encouraging deep-space mining? If so, that's fantastic work by Frontier. I say that as someone who had a ship ready for such work years ago, before realising there was no point back then.

Totally agree with that. It's the best decision regarding mining they could possibly make. Exploration and mining with awesome rewards if everything lines up for you is exactly what was needed. I'm back in business!

 

[Alec Turner]

Hello Commanders,

We wanted to address some concerns you may have regarding the high value of one of the new mining commodities, Void Opals.

Changes to the Background Simulation, which came with Beyond – Chapter Four, mean that there are now more elements that impact the value of a commodity than there were previously. In the instance at Viktorenko Holdings, these elements have lined up for a limited time in a way that allow the faction to be able to offer high prices on specific commodities.

To confirm, this does mean that, at this time, we are not planning to reduce the value of Void Opals.

In addition to this, the more motherlodes (containing Void Opals) that Commanders encounter and mine from (in a ring), the rarer they will become, driving an emergent and natural rush that will force intrepid miners into new horizons, seeking lucrative mining hotspots before they deplete. Ultimately, with the new mining changes, this is something we want to celebrate!

As we've mentioned previously, the Background Simulation is continually being monitored and we may still need to apply some further fine tuning to ensure that the Simulation is as interesting and dynamic as we intended when making these changes.

In the meantime, go for gold! Happy holidays!

Hey Will, that sounds absolutely awesome! On the off-chance that you're still here could you (or someone else) allay another growing fear over mining - namely that "hotspots" aren't actually hotspots.

Update: by total coincidence I was just listening to the Pixel Bandits and someone there was saying that they felt they'd found more motherlodes in random areas of the ring than in hotspots. If true that leads to a potentially shocking conclusion that hotspots are completely broken or worse, a total lie. Here's the thing ... as far as I know Elite Dangerous is not currently capable of placing planetary minerals in localised areas. I know a lot of people have their personal ideas about there being denser concentrations inside craters or in canyons or whatever but I suspect that's just reinforcement bias and strongly suspect that the entire planet has equally random concentrations of minerals across its entire surface. What if the same is true of rings? Say it's not true Frontier, please god say it's not true!

 

[xaisis]

I was rather hoping for a buff