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Villanelle

Villanelle
Orkan said:
So after some research I think a better topic for a musical would be Buffalo Bill. I was struggling to come up with an idea for the conflict and plot of the show, and there are certain parts of the history that aren't really acceptable by today's standards, so I looked for a different topic. Buffalo Bill would be way easier to make into a show and he was also more acceptable in terms of his respect towards the Native Americans. It would be about his adventures of life, kind of like Hamilton maybe? I think that this one will definitely be better.
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Sounds very wise to make this change, although I don't really know the story of Buffalo Bill. Surely anyone from that time & culture will be problematic but as long as you don't whitewash history, have a fresh perspective and are careful about how you represent different communities you can tell any story. It's all in how you tell it and who you allow to tell their stories through you. The story of who was working on the railway and what their lives were like might be more interesting and relevant than who was taking the credit for it.
RightWhale said:
I know one way to handle it is kind of treat prejudice how movies like Django treated it.
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Hell yeah. Django Unchained is fantastic.

There was a tv series a couple of years ago called The English. It flips westerns on their head, having a woman and a Pawnee man in the lead roles. One of my favourite tv series of the last decade. Very violent though so please be duly warned. It's beautiful though, incredibly poetic. I fell in love with Chaske Spencer more than a little bit.
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The English (TV Mini Series 2022) ⭐ 7.8 | Drama, Western

51m | TV-MA
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NachoB

NachoB
Villanelle said:
Sounds very wise to make this change, although I don't really know the story of Buffalo Bill. Surely anyone from that time & culture will be problematic but as long as you don't whitewash history, have a fresh perspective and are careful about how you represent different communities you can tell any story. It's all in how you tell it and who you allow to tell their stories through you. The story of who was working on the railway and what their lives were like might be more interesting and relevant than who was taking the credit for it.

Hell yeah. Django Unchained is fantastic.

There was a tv series a couple of years ago called The English. It flips westerns on their head, having a woman and a Pawnee man in the lead roles. One of my favourite tv series of the last decade. Very violent though so please be duly warned. It's beautiful though, incredibly poetic. I fell in love with Chaske Spencer more than a little bit.
www.imdb.com

The English (TV Mini Series 2022) ⭐ 7.8 | Drama, Western

51m | TV-MA
www.imdb.com www.imdb.com
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Oh i had no idea Emily Blunt worked in a western.

I like gritty violent westerns so i might check it out.

There was one with Jeff Daniels that was also very good. Godless i believe it was called?
 

Villanelle

Villanelle
NachoB said:
Oh i had no idea Emily Blunt worked in a western.

I like gritty violent westerns so i might check it out.

There was one with Jeff Daniels that was also very good. Godless i believe it was called?
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Yeah, she's very good in it, but Chaske Spencer steals the show.

Godless was great! I was gutted they didn't sign it up for another series. Love Merritt Wever.

I like Westerns too, who doesn't? Grew up on them. But I love the new take on revisionist Westerns that we're getting today.
 

Orkan

Orkan
Villanelle said:
Sounds very wise to make this change, although I don't really know the story of Buffalo Bill. Surely anyone from that time & culture will be problematic but as long as you don't whitewash history, have a fresh perspective and are careful about how you represent different communities you can tell any story. It's all in how you tell it and who you allow to tell their stories through you. The story of who was working on the railway and what their lives were like might be more interesting and relevant than who was taking the credit for it.
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Buffalo Bill, aka William Fredrick Cody, or just Cody, was a legendary Wild West figure who was famous for his Buffalo Bill’s Wild West (Show, but the show was actually never there) that travelled across the United States and Europe in the mid-late 1800s. Before he got his start in the show business, he was a rider for a branch of the Pony Express and was also hired by the Kansas Pacific Railroad Company to hunt Buffalo (American Bison) to supply the railroad workers with food. He also fought in the Union Army in the Civil War and as a scout in the Frontier Wars. During his show he employed some natives to come with him and respected their rights and beliefs, and also encouraged them to set up their homesteads during the show to show the “human side of the “fierce warrior”” He also employed women such as Annie Oakley, a famous western sharpshooter for his shows. According to Wikipedia, he was also an advocate for conservation and the creation of the hunting season.
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DarthQuell

DarthQuell
Villanelle said:
I wonder what Westerns a real cowboy watches, @DarthQuell ? 🤠
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I am a failure. I haven't watched that many westerns growing up😬
I mean, Rango? 🤣
Actually, I did see Once Upon a Time in the West, but that was years ago. I wanna level up my Western experience and see more, but I haven't had the time😅

I'm more of the kinda guy that wants to be a cowboy but hasn't done squat regarding Hollywood Western films
 

Captain Callum

Captain Callum
Orkan said:
Buffalo Bill, aka William Fredrick Cody, or just Cody, was a legendary Wild West figure who was famous for his Buffalo Bill’s Wild West (Show, but the show was actually never there) that travelled across the United States and Europe in the mid-late 1800s. Before he got his start in the show business, he was a rider for a branch of the Pony Express and was also hired by the Kansas Pacific Railroad Company to hunt Buffalo (American Bison) to supply the railroad workers with food. He also fought in the Union Army in the Civil War and as a scout in the Frontier Wars. During his show he employed some natives to come with him and respected their rights and beliefs, and also encouraged them to set up their homesteads during the show to show the “human side of the “fierce warrior”” He also employed women such as Annie Oakley, a famous western sharpshooter for his shows. According to Wikipedia, he was also an advocate for conservation and the creation of the hunting season.
en.wikipedia.org

Buffalo Bill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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I remember learning about buffalo bill, I think the uk hates the concept of the right to american expansionism so the history books painted him as an evil that brought the bison to near extinction.
 

DarthQuell

DarthQuell
Villanelle said:
I wonder what Westerns a real cowboy watches, @DarthQuell ? 🤠
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Actually, while I haven't watched many Westerns, I do listen to country, but not like today's country. Today, it's more like country mixed with rock (rockabilly kinda fits that description, but it's not the same. Rockabilly is more like Elvis and Pat Boone)

If you want country that sounds familiar, then you can't go wrong with Willie Nelson or Glenn Campbell (I prefer Glenn, and my favorite song of his is probably Sunflower)
If you want more Western/Cowboy music, go with Roy Rogers or Sons of the Pioneers (Along the Navajo Trail; Home on the Range; etc.)
And if you want it with a slight Latin influence, go with Marty Robbins (his most famous song is probably El Paso)
 

Orkan

Orkan
RightWhale said:
I mean he alone is not responsible for bringing them to near extinction, it was a deliberate effort by the US government to deprive the natives of their food source.
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Actually, it was mostly the leaders of the Transcontinental Railroad because they were a threat to their trains and were also as stated a main food source of the natives, who were also attacking their trains for understandable reasons, as they were pretty much cutting through territory the government had said would be untouched. They hired marksmen to shoot as many bison as they could and they would pay them for it. It got to a point where the only bison left were in Yellowstone, and it became a protected area. Then the population started growing again.
 

Orkan

Orkan
DarthQuell said:
Actually, while I haven't watched many Westerns, I do listen to country, but not like today's country. Today, it's more like country mixed with rock (rockabilly kinda fits that description, but it's not the same. Rockabilly is more like Elvis and Pat Boone)

If you want country that sounds familiar, then you can't go wrong with Willie Nelson or Glenn Campbell (I prefer Glenn, and my favorite song of his is probably Sunflower)
If you want more Western/Cowboy music, go with Roy Rogers or Sons of the Pioneers (Along the Navajo Trail; Home on the Range; etc.)
And if you want it with a slight Latin influence, go with Marty Robbins (his most famous song is probably El Paso)
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I think I’ve said this before but I absolutely love “Wildflowers & Wild Horses“ by Laney Wilson. Also not really country but when I was researching songs for the transcontinental railroad idea one that really stood out and was such a banger was “The Road to Hell” from the musical Hadestown. It’s about a railway that goes to the Greek mythological underworld and it is so well done.
 

Villanelle

Villanelle
Orkan said:
I think I’ve said this before but I absolutely love “Wildflowers & Wild Horses“ by Laney Wilson. Also not really country but when I was researching songs for the transcontinental railroad idea one that really stood out and was such a banger was “The Road to Hell” from the musical Hadestown. It’s about a railway that goes to the Greek mythological underworld and it is so well done.
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That sounds like an interesting musical, I'll check it out.

Are you a musician Orkan? Pretty impressive to be able to even think about writing a musical! I wouldn't know where to begin! I used to play the flute and got pretty good, but gave up at uni. Tried to learn again during lockdown, much to my husband's delight (not... 😅 ) I can read sheet music but writing it, yikers. At some point you have to recognise where you are gifted and where you are very much not 🤪
 
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