Thargoid invasion - Next target systems?

[Aleks Zuno]

Victories in HIPs 29596 and 39468, Col 285 Sectors VS-Z b14-5, TS-Z b14-3, DA-E b13-1, SS-H b11-0, SS-H b11-5 and VY-Q c5-7, Cephei Sectors AV-Y b6 and AF-A c22, and Arietis Sector GG-Y d64!

The next few targets here, still surrounding Desurinbin, are Col 285 Sectors SS-H b11-2, SS-H b11-4 and KM-V d2-69. After that will be some more general collapse of M. Cocijo attackers so that we avoid overlap with PDES, returning later only if HIP 37844 or Vocovii are still around. V wants me to be sure that said collapse includes Col 285 Sector ZE-P c6-21, so that the Hutton Orbital Truckers Co-operative can deliver a mug there.

Evictions at 08:50 22nd July 3309:
HIP 9607 Control 72% *73.4% — Leigong 32 Ly, 397 strength
Omumba Control 16% *17.7% — Hadad 14 Ly, ~16.5k strength
Ixbaksha Control 12% — Raijin 23 Ly, 2309 strength

Alerts:
Cao Tzu Alert 80% *81.4% — Taranis 22 Ly, 229 Ls outpost, 2226 Ls planet
Luggerates Alert 56% *56.4% — Oya 22 Ly, 14k Ls outpost, 339 Ls planet
HIP 20527 Alert 46% *46.4% — Indra 23 Ly, 595 Ls starport, 834 Ls outpost
Nu Guang Alert 36% *37.6% — Raijin 19 Ly, 44 Ls starport, 48k Ls planet
HIP 11111 Alert 34% — Oya 24 Ly, 2567 Ls outpost, 2474 Ls planet
HIP 19157 Alert 26% — Indra 22 Ly, 705 Ls starport, 1277 Ls outpost, 217 Ls planet
Tagin Alert 24% — Raijin 23 Ly, 636 Ls outpost

Clean-up:
Pegasi Sector DG-X c1-6 Alert 36% — Raijin 21 Ly, empty

 

[Starsong]

Operations update (edited):

Njorog Control 39.4% - Taranis 14 Ly, ~10300 strength

Storage Carriers: Ascension Light (KLW-52M) and [AXI] Invicta (X5Q-83N)
Location: Hyades Sector NS-T c3-12

Since we've no idea whether samples will still be effective after U16, we intend to finish Njorog before the 31st. Off to the grind then...

 

[Aleks Zuno]

Victories in Pegasi Sector DG-X c1-6, Arietis Sector JM-W d1-60, Col 285 Sectors AP-F b12-2, YY-F b12-6, SS-H b11-2, SS-H b11-4 and KM-V d2-69, and Cao Tzu!

Evictions at 18:30 22nd July 3309:
HIP 9607 Control 98% — Leigong 32 Ly, 30 strength
Omumba Control 18% *18.6% — Hadad 14 Ly, ~16.3k strength
Ixbaksha Control 16% — Raijin 23 Ly, 2204 strength

Alerts:
HIP 20527 Alert 64% *65.4% — Indra 23 Ly, 595 Ls starport, 834 Ls outpost
HIP 11111 Alert 58% *59.3% — Oya 24 Ly, 2567 Ls outpost, 2474 Ls planet
Luggerates Alert 56% *57.9% — Oya 22 Ly, 14k Ls outpost, 339 Ls planet
Nu Guang Alert 48% — Raijin 19 Ly, 44 Ls starport, 48k Ls planet
HIP 19157 Alert 36% *36.2% — Indra 22 Ly, 705 Ls starport, 1277 Ls outpost, 217 Ls planet
Tagin Alert 24% *25.4% — Raijin 23 Ly, 636 Ls outpost

Operations update (edited):

Njorog Control 39.4% - Taranis 14 Ly, ~10300 strength

Storage Carriers: Ascension Light (KLW-52M) and [AXI] Invicta (X5Q-83N)
Location: Hyades Sector NS-T c3-12

Since we've no idea whether samples will still be effective after U16, we intend to finish Njorog before the 31st. Off to the grind then...

We may help it along a bit some time tomorrow; it seems to me that M. Taranis could use a bit of a visit and make it not able to attack Trianguli Sector GG-Y c18 or Namayu, so I think we could also give Njorog a bit this weekend then ensure it is all done before the Monday after next.

 

[Ned Flandalorian]

Perhaps we should start making a list of Thargoid War related issues to test which ones get fixed (if any!) in the update...

Here's a few off the top of my head:

• Thargoid hearts not glowing properly when exerted (U15 regression)
• Thargoid interceptor AI breaks and they stop moving when reaching ~50km from settlements
• Fires unable to be extinguished at revenant scenarios
• Reclaimed control systems not losing their AX CZs
• AX CZs completing/restarting before they should (usually in the middle of the hydra fight), awards the bonus payout without completing the CZ and then restarts the scenario - adding extra interceptors to deal with while the hydra(s) is still alive
• Thargoids near starports (coriolis, ocellus, orbis) will start orbiting them when somebody using rotational correction enters the station
• AX power restoration missions target already powered-up settlements
• When you drop into an existing instance, interceptors are rendered with all their hearts regardless of how many they actually have left (a xeno scanner shows their true status)
• Handing in an item for an AX restoration mission will clear all mission items of that type, making any other completed restoration missions that use the same type of item incompletable
• AX weapon stabilisers use no power despite their module statistics saying they do
• Partially used caustic sinks prevent re-arming when docked, and auto-eject themselves during a hyperspace jump. Or you can purge them right before changing instance and they will reload but not use up a charge.
• If a ship with guardian modules is docked in an instance where glaives are present, it can't repair and the cost to repair shown in the HUD rapidly increases over time
• Post-recovery systems sometimes stay in that state for an extra week, despite the UI saying <1D left when the weekly tick happens

 

[Aleks Zuno]

Victories in Col 285 Sectors OS-T d3-115, OS-T d3-116 and ZT-F b12-5, HIPs 9607 and 20527, Pegasi Sector GW-V b2-3 and Arietis Sectors ZU-P b5-4 and ZP-P b5-2! M. Leigong loses an attack, and the last of the empty Alerts are repelled.

Alerts at 08:50 23rd July 3309:
HIP 11111 Alert 92% *93.4% — Oya 24 Ly, 2567 Ls outpost, 2474 Ls planet
Luggerates Alert 66% — Oya 22 Ly, 14k Ls outpost, 339 Ls planet
Nu Guang Alert 60% — Raijin 19 Ly, 44 Ls starport, 48k Ls planet
HIP 19157 Alert 54% *54.3% — Indra 22 Ly, 705 Ls starport, 1277 Ls outpost, 217 Ls planet
Pathamon Alert 28% — Leigong 22 Ly, 105 Ls starport, 194 Ls outpost, 105 Ls planet
Tagin Alert 28% — Raijin 23 Ly, 636 Ls outpost
HIP 20890 Alert 28% — Indra 22 Ly, 1609 Ls outpost, 2983 Ls planet

Evictions:
Omumba Control 24% — Hadad 14 Ly, ~15.2k strength
Ixbaksha Control 16% — Raijin 23 Ly, 2204 strength
HIP 20741 Control 12% *12.9% — Indra 24 Ly, 1623 strength

Clean-up:
Arietis Sector JM-W d1-82 Control 96% — Leigong 35 Ly, empty

Perhaps we should start making a list of Thargoid War related issues to test which ones get fixed (if any!) in the update...

That is quite the list; so much so that I imagine the actual activity list looking quite modest in comparison! That may need a separate topic to cover the highly-specific issues—notably with regular references here for cases such as the Conflict zones, given that I make a weekly list which is useful only while that problem remains.

There are also some other things which are not actual problems, but which we check regularly regardless. Obviously we have started withholding a delivery and selling immediately after any maintenance, which tests for a few things:

• Stockpiling of Research samples across cycles
• Efficacy of harvesting versus system strength

The goal motivating that is respect for time spent, especially if an upcoming large delivery were to discover it needs a few thousand more. I imagine everyone has a few things they may check just to see if it still works the same way; for example, update 15 made a few unannounced changes which affected how we outfit harvest vessels and what we do in a Control system:

• Single class 1 Research limpets started working much faster than one from a Universal limpet, which made it worth replacing some corrosive cargo for more limpets in the case of Control systems.
• The Control arrival patterns changed in a way which complicated a previous method but made available a new method.

 

[Aleks Zuno]

Victories in HIP 11111, Arietis Sector JM-W d1-82 and Col 285 Sectors VD-G b12-0, XY-F b12-1 and ZE-P c6-20!

Alerts at 18:00 23rd July 3309:
Luggerates Alert 80% *81.3% — Oya 22 Ly, 14k Ls outpost, 339 Ls planet
Nu Guang Alert 72% — Raijin 19 Ly, 44 Ls starport, 48k Ls planet
HIP 19157 Alert 62% — Indra 22 Ly, 705 Ls starport, 1277 Ls outpost, 217 Ls planet
HIP 20890 Alert 40% — Indra 22 Ly, 1609 Ls outpost, 2983 Ls planet
Tagin Alert 34% — Raijin 23 Ly, 636 Ls outpost
Pathamon Alert 30% — Leigong 22 Ly, 105 Ls starport, 194 Ls outpost, 105 Ls planet

Evictions:
Omumba Control 24% *24.5% — Hadad 14 Ly
Ixbaksha Control 16% *17.4% — Raijin 23 Ly
HIP 20741 Control 12% *13.3% — Indra 24 Ly

A note for @Starsong and possibly @Grimscrub also; the Ascension Light seemed not to be accepting Research samples, while the Invicta should have now a modest amount extra for Njorog. Accounting for it was difficult without owning the Carrier, but I tried to keep track and I think it should have an extra 1135.

 

[Starsong]

A note for @Starsong and possibly @Grimscrub also; the Ascension Light seemed not to be accepting Research samples, while the Invicta should have now a modest amount extra for Njorog. Accounting for it was difficult without owning the Carrier, but I tried to keep track and I think it should have an extra 1135.

That is very strange, considering the Ascension Light has a buy order active and my main account (who doesn't own the carrier) having no issue offloading there! Still, if the Invicta was able to accept your contribution, then there's no real issue.

 

[Starsong]

Operations update:

Njorog Control 70% - Taranis 14 Ly, ~5100 strength

Storage Carriers: Ascension Light (KLW-52M) and [AXI] Invicta (X5Q-83N)
Location: Hyades Sector NS-T c3-12

With INIV's very-much-appreciated contribution, the Njorog recapture operation is now over two-thirds complete!

 

[Blaggerdy]

That is very strange, considering the Ascension Light has a buy order active and my main account (who doesn't own the carrier) having no issue offloading there! Still, if the Invicta was able to accept your contribution, then there's no real issue.

I delivered some scout samples there a few hours ago but was unable to deliver the cyclops samples I had so might depend what type was being dropped off

 

[Starsong]

I delivered some scout samples there a few hours ago but was unable to deliver the cyclops samples I had so might depend what type was being dropped off

True. I didn't think about setting up a buy order for Cyclops samples.
EDIT: I've put buy orders for all four Interceptors up. If you do any more sampling runs in Njorog, you'll be fine to sell everything at the Ascension Light.

 

[Aleks Zuno]

Victories in Trianguli Sector CA-A c14, Luggerates, Bormuninus, Nu Guang, Vocovii (well done PDES!) and Col 285 Sector WN-H b11-5! HIP 19157 is close to completion, and M. Taranis loses its attack against Trianguli Sector GG-Y c18.

Alerts at 07:40 24th July 3309:
HIP 19157 Alert 94% — Indra 22 Ly, 705 Ls starport, 1277 Ls outpost, 217 Ls planet
HIP 20890 Alert 54% — Indra 22 Ly, 1609 Ls outpost, 2983 Ls planet
Tagin Alert 38% *38.7% — Raijin 23 Ly, 636 Ls outpost
Pathamon Alert 32% — Leigong 22 Ly, 105 Ls starport, 194 Ls outpost, 105 Ls planet
HIP 20899 Alert 22% — Indra 23 Ly, 876 Ls outpost, 2988 Ls planet
Slightly behind:
Canaharvas Alert 14% *14.9% — Cocijo 24 Ly, 964 Ls outpost

Evictions:
Ixbaksha Control 26% — Raijin 23 Ly, 1942 strength
Omumba Control 24% *25.8% — Hadad 14 Ly, ~14.8k strength
HIP 20741 Control 14% *14.1% — Indra 24 Ly, 1600 strength


The next here will be Col 285 Sector ZE-P c6-21 later, then we have some options for the remainder of the week:

• Guard Namayu, though with a quite high relative cost; around 2.1 times the amount to recapture it.
• Guard Khwal, with a slightly higher total cost but much lower relative cost; around 1.4 times its recapture.

Notably M. Taranis likely will not be able to reach Namayu past the dozens of recently-cleared systems next time.

 

[Aleks Zuno]

Victories in HIP 19157, HR 457, Canaharvas, Col 285 Sectors ZE-P c6-21, VD-G b12-1 and VD-G b12-5, and Arietis Sectors ZP-P b5-1 and ZP-P b5-3!

Alerts at 07:20 25th July 3309:
HIP 20890 Alert 76% *76.2% — Indra 22 Ly, 1609 Ls outpost, 2983 Ls planet
Pathamon Alert 50% *51.2% — Leigong 22 Ly, 105 Ls starport, 194 Ls outpost, 105 Ls planet
One, narrowly both:
HIP 20899 Alert 46% *47.1% — Indra 23 Ly, 876 Ls outpost, 2991 Ls planet
Tagin Alert 46% *46.4% — Raijin 23 Ly, 636 Ls outpost
Quite far behind:
HIP 20491 Alert 20% — Indra 23 Ly, 1720 Ls planet
Unktety Alert 12% *12.3% — Thor 25 Ly, 92 Ls outpost, 38 Ls planet

Evictions:
HIP 112595 Control 62% *63% — Raijin 24 Ly, empty, 238 strength
Ixbaksha Control 36% — Raijin 23 Ly, 1680 strength
Omumba Control 26% *27.5% — Hadad 14 Ly, ~14.5k strength
HIP 20741 Control 16% — Indra 24 Ly, 1565 strength


Looks like the new Launcher caused a few problems, including with me searching frantically for a way around this, which put the schedule off-course a bit. If I may ask @Phill P, is PDES still planning to recapture HIP 37844? If so then I think we can still strike Khwal from the target list; otherwise, we can clear it then turn attention onto batches of farther targets.

 

[Phill P]

is PDES still planning to recapture HIP 37844? If so then I think we can still strike Khwal from the target list; otherwise, we can clear it then turn attention onto batches of farther targets.

Yes, got about 500 so far.

 

[Starsong]

Operations update:

Njorog Control 90.8% - Taranis 14 Ly, ~1600 strength

Storage Carriers: Ascension Light (KLW-52M) and [AXI] Invicta (X5Q-83N)
Location: Hyades Sector NS-T c3-12

Nearly there for Njorog. We may even be able to get it done this tick, with any luck!

 

[Starsong]

CMDR Carpets from AXI did some surveying of close-in uninhabited systems. Most interestingly, there is no slope at all for <5Ly - it's constant at 116,279 samples required.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

So very roughly, 1 system at 5 LY = 10 systems at 10 LY = 100 systems at 20 LY.

 

[Starsong]

And 1 system at 15 Ly = 10 systems at 30 Ly. Interesting.

 

[Grimscrub]

Small note

CMDR Carpets from AXI --

- Carpets is also part of the efforts/discords of PDES, Operation Ida and others, and did some hard work on Alert system data in the past ( https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...1/Alert_System_Progress_Values_by_Carpets.pdf ) in turn.

Just, want to be sure it isn't taken as calling dibs on their hard work.
That aside not much news from me, We're a bit over 15k for Njorog across the two carriers at this point, continuing efforts gradually.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

It's roughly inverse cubic (if it was exactly halve distance for 10x difficulty, it'd be -3.322) which makes me slightly curious as to why they used the 5 LY set points for linear interpolation rather than just making it inverse ~cubic with min and max values.

It makes balance sense that it's faster than inverse square, though: the number of systems within a shell will on average (and not accounting for density differences from the galactic plane, though they'd have to get a lot bigger!) go up with the square of the distance. So if the difficulty ramp-up was only inverse-square, the difficulty per shell would be constant: if you can clear a Maelstrom down to any distance, you can clear it down to all of them because the number of systems you need to clear at each stage also drops off quickly. Inverse cubic means that not only are the individual systems (a lot!) more difficult, the total difficulty to clear that shell also increases (theoretically about linearly, though once you get within 15LY star position randomness really starts to matter!) as you get closer in.

 

[Carpets]

Hey there thanks for sharing those findings. I've never posted on here before. I'll have to keep an eye on here from now on.