The Galactic Mapping Project & Historical Archive of Exploration

[osser]

Here's my 1st entry. I found this on my 1st long trip.

Name: Blue Wispy Charlie
System name Dryio Bli GM-V E2-4049
POI: Planetary Nebula
Description: Blue Planetary nebula with a Neutron Star and a Class one Gas Giant
EDSM link https://www.edsm.net/en/system/id/19665919/name/Dryio+Bli+GM-V+e2-4049

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Hope that works!

CMDR Tootiny

 

[Pilot Pirx]

POI type: Nebula
POI Name: Mermaid's purse
GalMap Ref (System): Dryi Aoc CH-C d13-218
GalMap Ref (Nebula): Dryi Aoc AA-A H60

Description:

Situated north west of the Gallipolis Nebulae Group and some 19,600 light years from Sol, this orange-brown, medium-sized nebula contains numerous systems with class F and G suns as central stars in which there is much to discover and see.

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[Corbin Moran]

POI type: Nebula
POI Name: Mermaid's purse
GalMap Ref (System): Dryi Aoc CH-C d13-218
GalMap Ref (Nebula): Dryi Aoc AA-A H60

Description:

Situated north west of the Gallipolis Nebula Group and some 19,600 light years from Sol, this orange-brown, medium-sized nebula contains numerous systems with class F and G suns as central stars in which there is much to discover and see.

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Outstanding images!

 

[KOLUMBUS]

In the System GRU DRYOU HC-B D14-21




At this Moon.

I found some Geyser.









AT the koordinates 26.9277 zu -20,5326






Here is a little Movie about it
[video=youtube_share;-ftZ8hfS0wM]https://youtu.be/-ftZ8hfS0wM[/video]



















I named it Siebold white Smoker.

Greetings Kolumbus

 

[foxoplasma]

Hi there, visited the Conflux Beta Site (Pru Aescs HW-S b31-2) and got a screenshot with the new, updated terrain colours.

 

[Titler]

Question: What are the rules on naming a system via this project? Does the person who submits the details here have priority? I ask because I've started using a lot more tools to try and locate what has already been discovered, and I noticed some of mine weren't listed... and those who were had been given new names and backstory by a pilot arriving later. In particular, some of the Planetary Nebula that I located and only wrote up when I got back, and was certain I had claimed them appear to have been renamed since. Whilst I don't wish to discourage people from writing their own fiction, it is disappointing to see that my own choice of names have been over-written, even if innocently and possibly because all the posted data wasn't easily located if it wasn't in this thread.

Thoughts on this, please?

 

[AnthorNet]

Question: What are the rules on naming a system via this project? Does the person who submits the details here have priority? I ask because I've started using a lot more tools to try and locate what has already been discovered, and I noticed some of mine weren't listed... and those who were had been given new names and backstory by a pilot arriving later. In particular, some of the Planetary Nebula that I located and only wrote up when I got back, and was certain I had claimed them appear to have been renamed since. Whilst I don't wish to discourage people from writing their own fiction, it is disappointing to see that my own choice of names have been over-written, even if innocently and possibly because all the posted data wasn't easily located if it wasn't in this thread.

Thoughts on this, please?

I don't expect any of the team member to follow every thread they can found, there is already a lot of work involved, and sometime it's not easy to make everyone follow.

 

[foxoplasma]

Saw that the POI entry for the black hole XTE J1752-223 had no data, so i just went there and wrote up a description & images.


Name: XTE J1752-223
Image: https://imgur.com/a/QfLmhy5
Description:

XTE J1752-223 is a low-intermediate-mass black hole system at 118 solar masses, located in the north of the Sidereal Wall, near the Iowhail nebula.
The system was first identified as an active radio source by old-Earth astronomers in the year 2009.
Recent exploration has revealed that the black hole has an icy debris ring around it, a likely cause of X-ray and radio outbursts that identified it in 2009.
In addition, the black hole hosts 2 class M and one class K star, with one class Y dwarf.
Several landable planets are present, most of them having quite short orbital periods due to the intense surroundings.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Question: What are the rules on naming a system via this project? Does the person who submits the details here have priority? I ask because I've started using a lot more tools to try and locate what has already been discovered, and I noticed some of mine weren't listed... and those who were had been given new names and backstory by a pilot arriving later. In particular, some of the Planetary Nebula that I located and only wrote up when I got back, and was certain I had claimed them appear to have been renamed since. Whilst I don't wish to discourage people from writing their own fiction, it is disappointing to see that my own choice of names have been over-written, even if innocently and possibly because all the posted data wasn't easily located if it wasn't in this thread.

Thoughts on this, please?

As Anthor mentioned above, the mapping team don't and can't follow every thread so it pretty much boils down to monitoring this thread and using it as the main source for submissions. The mapping project is unofficial anyway, so names that are used don't have any bearing beyond the little bit of fan created fiction of this thread and EDSM. To keep it manageable the rule has always been whoever submits it here first has priority.

During the next update I'll ask one of the GMP team to make reference to your linked post on the other thread for those entires and have their descriptive text updated with a link to your post. I think the current EDSM names will remain though.

 

[jusaari11]

Name: Solitude-Silentium canyons
Game map search ref: Cheia Eoq TJ-U b22-0 2 A Coords: 67 / 23
Description: This rocky ice world is dotted with light blue valleys containing hundreds of small mountains, allowing pilots to take a much needed break from the routine of traversing the Silentium by speeding through the canyons between the peaks. When rising above these mountains, the pilot is greeted with a stunning view of the valley with the far away milky way in the background.
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Video Reference: https://youtu.be/NcFFZr6SjZI

 

[Titler]

As Anthor mentioned above, the mapping team don't and can't follow every thread so it pretty much boils down to monitoring this thread and using it as the main source for submissions. The mapping project is unofficial anyway, so names that are used don't have any bearing beyond the little bit of fan created fiction of this thread and EDSM. To keep it manageable the rule has always been whoever submits it here first has priority.

During the next update I'll ask one of the GMP team to make reference to your linked post on the other thread for those entires and have their descriptive text updated with a link to your post. I think the current EDSM names will remain though.

The names also appear in the EDDiscovery map, so are propagated out to any player using it, as well as appearing as the details on EDSM as you mention.

I must admit, this is exceptionally disheartening, and has killed any interest I have in further exploring... Whilst I could submit details for any future discoveries, and write some fiction for all the past ones just to avoid them being taken from me, it would feel hollow because I don't have the right to all of them, even if I'd already declared them. Whilst I can imagine it's now so far into your project you'd have to upset a lot of people who'd submitted content for systems they didn't claim, I have to say it feels horribly selfish that they thought they should have the right to do that in the first place; It would have been better just to leave them as the in game system name, until the commander who'd marked the central star or the object in question's wishes were known.

In my own case, I was naming systems after friends, lovers, family etc... and it was a particularly poignant pet-name that was taken; but it shouldn't take too much to think of even more disquietening wishes that could be over-written, because people want to write their own fiction, rather than remember there needs to be space for the whole community to write their own stories too.

And that's going to be especially hard now it's becoming unbelievably difficult to even find any unmarked nebula... I wish you all the best with this project then, but I don't feel I want to take part myself.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

The names also appear in the EDDiscovery map, so are propagated out to any player using it, as well as appearing as the details on EDSM as you mention.

I must admit, this is exceptionally disheartening, and has killed any interest I have in further exploring... Whilst I could submit details for any future discoveries, and write some fiction for all the past ones just to avoid them being taken from me, it would feel hollow because I don't have the right to all of them, even if I'd already declared them. Whilst I can imagine it's now so far into your project you'd have to upset a lot of people who'd submitted content for systems they didn't claim, I have to say it feels horribly selfish that they thought they should have the right to do that in the first place; It would have been better just to leave them as the in game system name, until the commander who'd marked the central star or the object in question's wishes were known.

In my own case, I was naming systems after friends, lovers, family etc... and it was a particularly poignant pet-name that was taken; but it shouldn't take too much to think of even more disquietening wishes that could be over-written, because people want to write their own fiction, rather than remember there needs to be space for the whole community to write their own stories too.

And that's going to be especially hard now it's becoming unbelievably difficult to even find any unmarked nebula... I wish you all the best with this project then, but I don't feel I want to take part myself.

I understand your frustration and do sympathize, but the amount of work it would take to monitor other threads and forums makes it nigh on impossible. That's why the decision early on was to use the GMP thread as the main source of info, since it's been stickied in the exploration forum and promoted as the main POI submission thread for over three years now. We have scoured other threads in the past for names, but you can imagine the amount of work we'd be letting ourselves in for if we adopted a policy of renaming established POIs to something different when/if the original discoverer ever comes along and requests it later.

As a compromise we can always add references to a POI descriptive text and link to other discoverers fiction, and make mention of other names a POI is also known by. That can easily be done. But on the other scale some submissions that have become game lore, like Colonia, can never be changed now. CMDR Cly discovered Jaques Station in the EOL PRU nebula, but it was someone else who was following the exploration forum and Galactic Mapping Project who first submitted several names for that procedural nebula in the wake of Jaques discovery, and between us we opted for the name 'Colonia'. Just an example of why it's important for submissions to be posted here first, and why retro-actively renaming entires when/if the original game discoverer comes along and wants to reclaim and rename a POI isn't a route we're keen on going down.

Sorry for the way you feel. I have asked the opinions of the other GMP team on this, and it'll be reviewed. We always go with what the consensus of what the team thinks.

 

[marx]

First off, a submission that I originally didn't consider posting for the GMP, but am now doing so so that nobody else nabs it:

Name: Hengist Nebula
Game map search ref: Juenae OX-U e2-8852
Description: A planetary nebula found deep in the core, the Hengist nebula was named after the late Emperor Hengist Duval, who was assassinated a few days after this system was discovered. A terraformable water world orbits the secondary class G star: while it could have been classified as an Earth-like planet, the presence of large amounts of water vapour has heated its atmosphere well above what's considered breathable.
Screenshot reference: The original post has several screenshots. See: 1 2 3 4

I'll have to check my other discoveries, see if there might be any other nebulae that I haven't submitted here, but others might submit then. Although I doubt it. (I think I have first discovery on a couple of other nebulae, but the fact that I'm not even sure I do is pretty telling in itself.) Still, to be on the safe side, and to clear things up: I don't give permission for anyone to submit anything here that I first discovered (has my CMDR tag on it in-game), nor for the GMP team to add them, without looking me up first. To be honest, I expect that the chances of this happening are extremely low, but best to make sure that I express my wishes in writing.

Moving on, a comment about Titler's case: in this case, it was about people submitting finds which they weren't the first discoverer of, and the Commander in question was active on the forums, so they could have looked him up not just in-game, but also via PMs. It's less the GMP's fault that they didn't look up earlier threads, and more the submitters' fault that they didn't, and also didn't bother to ask the discoverer if he's fine with the entry. So, it would be best to clarify in the guidelines in the first post the protocol for submitting things which they aren't the first discoverer of. Especially if they fail to disclose this fact.


Update: Another nebula, which I discovered in the very early days of Colonia:

Name: Bartender nebula
Game map search ref: Dryooe Flyou YT-A e1844
Description: A planetary nebula found along the route to Colonia, this system consists mostly of gas giants and dwarf stars orbiting the remnant neutron star. Of note is a rather large ammonia world, which is heavy enough to form a binary pair with a gas giant.
Screenshot reference: 1 2 3 4 5

 

[Scytale]

Moving on, a comment about Titler's case: in this case, it was about people submitting finds which they weren't the first discoverer of, and the Commander in question was active on the forums, so they could have looked him up not just in-game, but also via PMs. It's less the GMP's fault that they didn't look up earlier threads, and more the submitters' fault that they didn't, and also didn't bother to ask the discoverer if he's fine with the entry. So, it would be best to clarify in the guidelines in the first post the protocol for submitting things which they aren't the first discoverer of. Especially if they fail to disclose this fact.

Dont forget many (most ?) of the Cmdrs have a different nick here and in the game.

 

[marx]

Dont forget many (most ?) of the Cmdrs have a different nick here and in the game.

Yep, which was why I suggested in-game first. That's unambiguous, although more inconvenient (since you both have to be online at the same time) than messages here.
Plus in this case, a simple search on the submitter's part would have revealed that Titler had already posted and named the nebulae.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Bear in mind one of the early appeals of this project was to give explorers a chance to go out and write their own fiction about places they visited. A lot of the most interesting stuff (especially in the local region) was tagged before the GMP was even a thing, and no doubt a lot of earlier explorers who went and tagged stuff no longer play. So the GMP always gave latecomers, dedicated 'mappers', and players who liked to add some descriptive text to a POI (something a lot of taggers never did or do) a chance to add their own fiction to the maps, despite what had been officially tagged and bagged before.

The GMP has never recognised first discovery tags. We very very rarely mention in-game 'first discovery' commander names in a descriptive text, nor commander names who are submitting a POI entry. Instead it adopted the policy of adding entries by the chronological order explorers have submitted their data to this thread, and whether the descriptive write up is adequate. Its probably the only way a project like this can work without it becoming a second job to those that update it, as having to deal with conflicts and disputes, edits and re-edits on who gets to name what would have killed it off years ago.

Marx makes a good point but its a tough one to impose. I've added guideline #9 to clarify this somewhat (it may need rewording a little once I get more feedback from other GMP team members).

 

[DVHeld]

The rule in the GMP has AFAIK always been that the first who posts a quality POI, name and description here gets to name that POI, regardless of previous tags or fan-made lore in other threads or sites. It even says so in the first post:

The guidelines are :

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9. Please bear in mind that the GMP team update entries and EDSM in their spare time so on the whole we will use this thread for the vast majority of entries. Its unpractical and too time-consuming to scour other threads for POI names explorers have made mention of. Therefore (as long as guideline #4 is adhered to) all submissions are treated in the chronological order they were submitted to this thread, regardless on whether the person submitting the entry has in-game 'tagged' it [or] not.

Titler is the one who messed up by not suggesting the POIs here, not the people who actually suggested those POIs, even less the GMP staff. It would certainly be polite for the submitter to try and see if someone else has already submitted the POI elsewhere, but that's all. Looking this sort of things up takes time and it would be completely unreasonable to ask for this to be the rule, instead of something done out of politeness. Especially since all of this is just fanfiction, not canon. Fan fiction works like that, you can have your fiction, others can have theirs, even if they conflict with each other. Furthermore, you can even RP it as a remote place discovered independently by two different people who did not knew of the other passing through and therefore having different names, this has happened lots of times in real life too. There are lots of places that have different names for different peoples. Just RP it that way and whatever, it's not as if one can't simply keep calling the place by the name one prefers. That's not overwritten by anything, GMP or no GMP. It seems weird to me to try and shame others into using the name you want for a place anyways.

 

[marx]

@ DVHeld: the part you quoted was added just today, after Erimus wrote his reply. It wasn't there before, and as far as I'm aware, neither was "[t]he GMP has never recognised first discovery tags" written down that clearly.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Titler's case is the first one, no? When somebody actually took issue with someone else taking their named finds and renaming them here, that is. But even if it isn't, it certainly doesn't seem to come up often.

Also, let's not forget that EDDiscovery and EDSM display the names submitted here by default, and they have become the widest-used third party exploration tools. That's different from "just another thread with names among many". Things have changed from the beginning, so at the very least, people should know what to expect.

 

[DVHeld]

@ DVHeld: the part you quoted was added just today, after Erimus wrote his reply. It wasn't there before, and as far as I'm aware, neither was "[t]he GMP has never recognised first discovery tags" written down that clearly.

If it is so, then OK, fair enough.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Titler's case is the first one, no? When somebody actually took issue with someone else taking their named finds and renaming them here, that is. But even if it isn't, it certainly doesn't seem to come up often.

Anyone who has read this thread for any lenght of time would have understood that POIs are submitted here, even when the have been posted elsewhere. I have seen several cases where someone posted his POI in another thread first, and then came here and suggested it be added to the GMP while also providing a link to their other post. I've been lurking this thread for more than a year now, and I've never seen any POI added without it being announced here. Even when the GMP staff has found them in other threads, even then they post the POIs here first (as far as I've seen at least). So to me it's clear that this thread is at least de facto the place to suggest POIs for the GMP, not other threads.

Also, let's not forget that EDDiscovery and EDSM display the names submitted here by default, and they have become the widest-used third party exploration tools. That's different from "just another thread with names among many". Things have changed from the beginning, so at the very least, people should know what to expect.

AFAIK there are some POIs that have three different names tied to them, the in-game tag, the EDSM tag, and the one who suggested the POI. In cases similar to that it's common for the in-game tag name to be credited with first discovery in the description, but it's not always the case, and also clearly not a requirement. Whatever the case, I see no wrong in what has happened. Nothing has been lost by anyone, beside the chance to name the GMP POI, which is no big deal at any rate. And as I already stated, nothing is stopping Titler from using whatever name he wants for any POI. That's how fanfiction works. If he does not like that, then maybe fanfiction's not for him. Nothing's stopping him from going out in the black and trying to find more worthwhile stuff to submit, if he wants so badly something of his finding to be added here.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Name: The King and Queen of Mikenas

Galmap reference: Phraifaae AA-A h0

Description: On the end of the The Outer Arm Rift lies an unusual pair of extremely bright stars, a B3 IA0 star which locates it on top of the Yerkes star classification as an hypergiant dancing around a B7 IVA which is yet larger though cooler. The location makes the system quite notorious to the wary eye.

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